2020 Presidential Election Fraud - Stop the Steal Updates

[flowerthief00]

I'm not a judge. I'm not the one who needs to be convinced. The ones who are, well...the cases presented by the Trump folks arent quite blowing up their skirts, are they?

There have been some suspicious irregularities found with the voting. I'll go with you that far. But that doesnt necessarily mean sweeping widespread fraud can be proven. Maybe the evidence of sweeping widespread fraud isnt as strong as you think.

Wikipedia on the subject:

"Trump and a variety of his surrogates and supporters made a series of false claims that the election was fraudulent. Claims that substantial fraud was committed have been repeatedly debunked. On November 9 and 10, The New York Times called the offices of top election officials in every state; all of the 45 state officials who responded stated that there was no evidence of fraud. Some described the election as remarkably successful considering the coronavirus pandemic, the record turnout, and the unprecedented number of mailed ballots. On November 12, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency issued a statement calling the 2020 election "the most secure in American history" and noting "[t]here is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised"."

[flowerthief00]

@Cornfed
Its funny that you use god as an analogy, because I have seen very nearly the same analogy used by the opposing side:

What if god were to come down and inform the conspiracy theorists that Biden really did win the election. They'd say "Omg this goes higher up than we thought".

[Winston]

GOOD. BAD. I'M THE GUY WITH THE GUN.
-- Ash, Army of Darkness

Seriously, the perception of good and bad in this election is disputed to say the least. Crying fraud nonstop without being able to prove it in court (in fact not even attempting to; you'd think if Trump's legal team had the evidence they would try) doesn't make him look so good to many.

WTF are you talking about? There is overwhelming evidence of and Trump's team is presenting it to the courts. Why are you saying stupid things?

Keep in mind anyone can deny anything. Anyone can say "invalid evidence". Ted bundy denied killing anyone. Did that mean he was innocent? Denying doesnt make one innocent. Thats wishful thinking. You cant expect evil to admit the truth. They hate the truth. Affidavits are real evidence and some are named too. Why have many been threatened if theres no evidence? Saying mount everest isnt there doesnt make it go away.

Why do some of u want the bad guys to win anyway?

[Cornfed]

@Cornfed
Its funny that you use god as an analogy, because I have seen very nearly the same analogy used by the opposing side:

What if god were to come down and inform the conspiracy theorists that Biden really did win the election. They'd say "Omg this goes higher up than we thought".

Lets focus on specifics. What specifically would you want to have evidence that an election was stolen? Obviously there is a lot of evidence. What is missing? What do you want?

[flowerthief00]

Oh for the love of mike you make me say it again--I'm not the one who needs to be convinced. There are ppl you know whose job it is to carefully review evidence.

[Winston]

Judges are not gods. They are not infallible. If they feel that they'd be doomed and ruined if they went against the establishment they may play along and tow the line. No one whos anti establishment lasts long. We all know that. Judges live in the real world where might makes right. They aren't Mr. Spock or Jesus Christ. Geez.

[Winston]

I'm not a judge. I'm not the one who needs to be convinced. The ones who are, well...the cases presented by the Trump folks arent quite blowing up their skirts, are they?

There have been some suspicious irregularities found with the voting. I'll go with you that far. But that doesnt necessarily mean sweeping widespread fraud can be proven. Maybe the evidence of sweeping widespread fraud isnt as strong as you think.

Wikipedia on the subject:

"Trump and a variety of his surrogates and supporters made a series of false claims that the election was fraudulent. Claims that substantial fraud was committed have been repeatedly debunked. On November 9 and 10, The New York Times called the offices of top election officials in every state; all of the 45 state officials who responded stated that there was no evidence of fraud. Some described the election as remarkably successful considering the coronavirus pandemic, the record turnout, and the unprecedented number of mailed ballots. On November 12, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency issued a statement calling the 2020 election "the most secure in American history" and noting "[t]here is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised"."

The man who said the elections were secure got fired for it for lying. Is it just a coincidence that wikipedia is always pro establishment? Wikipedia also says evolution is a proven fact and JFK was killed by a lone nut and vaccines are totally safe and the government is always right. What a coincidence huh? Any freethinker can see why.

In the past we were told to believe the authority of the bible. Now we are asked to believe the community of men behind google and wikipedia and factcheck.

Heres a discussion between me and alex about that.

[11/27, 12:20 AM] Winston Wu: The same group that controls wikipedia i guess.
[11/27, 12:21 AM] Alex From Venice: yeah... Wikipedia... "the book made by the community"
[11/27, 12:22 AM] Alex From Venice: it must be the source of all truths
[11/27, 12:23 AM] Alex From Venice: if it's writer in Wikipedia must be true because "the community" always work to fix everything which is wrong
[11/27, 12:23 AM] Alex From Venice: that's what people believes
[11/27, 12:24 AM] Alex From Venice: they believe that "the community" is "the people" and that "the people" is "good"
[11/27, 12:24 AM] Alex From Venice: that's such naive belief
[11/27, 12:25 AM] Alex From Venice: yet very appealing to the minds of many, especially of atheists who don't seek truth in God but in "the community" of human beings
[11/27, 12:26 AM] Alex From Venice: like "the scientific community"
[11/27, 12:26 AM] Winston Wu: Wikipedia also believes that evolution is proven and fact. As if repeating it makes it true.
[11/27, 12:27 AM] Alex From Venice: is the lock down really needed and really efficient? ask "the scientific community"
[11/27, 12:27 AM] Alex From Venice: Wikipedia doesn't believe in anything, Wikipedia isn't a being
[11/27, 12:27 AM] Winston Wu: I mean the editors of wikipedia and their pro establishment consensus.
[11/27, 12:28 AM] Alex From Venice: yeah
[11/27, 12:28 AM] Winston Wu: Theres even a long wikipedia entry about the magic bullet theory of the JFK assassination. Its very long winded and tries to pretend its justified. Lol
[11/27, 12:30 AM] Alex From Venice: even though I don't believe there's any control group within Wikipedia. I am more prone to believe that Wikipedia is used to some elites to spread their teachings to the people to have them indoctrinated
[11/27, 12:30 AM] Alex From Venice: they know people, especially young people, are naive
[11/27, 12:31 AM] Alex From Venice: they can easily believe that there's a "good community" out there, taking care of Wikipedia contents
[11/27, 12:32 AM] Alex From Venice: what it can happen in reality is that some people are paid by elites to constantly monitor Wikipedia and make sure it always display what's good for their agenda
[11/27, 12:33 AM] Alex From Venice: Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, that's true, me too I did an edit once in the past
[11/27, 12:34 AM] Alex From Venice: I changed the word "money" to "currency" in the bitcoin Wikipedia page
[11/27, 12:35 AM] Alex From Venice: the Italian translation because in English language Bitcoin was already regarded as currency
[11/27, 12:35 AM] Alex From Venice: yet, after some time my edit has been replaced by another one that restored the word money
[11/27, 12:36 AM] Winston Wu: Did they accept your edit? Usually if u edit wikipedia and they dont like it then reverse it.
[11/27, 12:36 AM] Winston Wu: Then if u edit again they block u.
[11/27, 12:38 AM] Alex From Venice: yes, but that doesn't prevent that someone else will make a new edit that annul yours
[11/27, 12:39 AM] Alex From Venice: so if someone pays people to always monitor the contents of some key topics, then such contents will always be displaying that text that is wanted to be displayed
[11/27, 12:40 AM] Winston Wu: There are millions of entries on wikipedia. How can they monitor all of them?
[11/27, 12:41 AM] Alex From Venice: not all, just some that are key to their agenda... like evolutionism

[Winston]

Again flowerthief,
Watch this compilation of evidences of fraud. See below.



Now stop claiming there's no evidence.

Lets say all this convinces u 100 percent of widespread voter fraud, not just irregularities. But the judges are afraid to challenge the establishment so they pretend to be powerless and find some excuse or technicality to dimiss it. What would u say? Would that make u sick to your stomach? Would that bother your conscience?

[Guhji]

"Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous “80,000,000 votes” were not fraudulently or illegally obtained." - Donald J. Trump official twitter.

Just as I suspected. He's simply going to refuse to leave. Again, I ask, who is going to make him leave? There has never been a case of a sitting POTUS not conceding the election. This would be unprecedented.

[Moretorque]

The election machines in ? were the old Diebold system , Bev Harris of Black Box Voting.ORG proved long ago the machines were designed to be hacked and changed for faulty results and she also showed who owned these companies making the system and they were insiders of the Swamp and the financial institutions.

This has been going on for a long long time with the faulty voting machines so this is nothing new at all...

[Guhji]

Yes, I know there were members of the State legislature present at that conference. However, the election results have been certified. It's done.

The electors still have to turn up physically in Washington and cast their votes. Traditionally they'd all vote for the certified winner, but if the legislature is convinced that the result was fraudulent they could appoint electors to vote for the other candidate.

Guhji, you are confused. The certification was two days ago but it is now blocked today. See here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... challenge/

Guhji, dude WTF is wrong with you? Why are you rooting for the BAD GUYS? Aren't you supposed to be rooting for the GOOD GUYS in this case? Geez.

"A state judge in Pennsylvania temporarily blocked the state Wednesday from further certifying its general election results, after the state certified President-elect Joe Biden’s win Tuesday, while a Republican-led lawsuit attempting to block Pennsylvania's election results plays out in court, though the order has now been paused due to an appeal." - Per the Forbes article that you cited

The appeal was issued by Governor Tom Wolf and certification has proceeded to completion.

[Guhji]

Hearings in front of whom?

The hearings were in front of Republican state representatives in Pennsylvania, who constitute the majority of the body that sets the rules for elections in that state and can switch the results of the elections in that capacity.

Hearings don't happen in front of nobody. Duh. Guhji must be a bot. He follows this pattern, thus making the meme true.

Democrats: what are your evidences?

Trump's team:
1- software "glitch"s
2- votes backdated
3- poll watchers asked to leave
...

Democrats: okay, what are your evidences?

Guhji, dude WTF is wrong with you? Why are you rooting for the BAD GUYS? Aren't you supposed to be rooting for the GOOD GUYS in this case? Geez.

Yes, I know there were members of the State legislature present at that conference. However, the election results have been certified. It's done.

In the U.S. we have this branch of government called the judiciary. These suits aren't being filed in state legislatures. If legislatures don't do the right thing it will be decided ultimately in SCOTUS, and unless the vote of Gorsuch or Kavanaugh can be purchased Trump will prevail there.

Why are you so sure that SCOTUS would side with Trump? Amy Coney Barrett recused herself from the Pennsylvania voting case, dealing a crippling blow to the Trump campaign. How do you know the other "conservative" justices wouldn't also do the same?

[gsjackson]

Oh, for God's sake. So why did she recuse herself from this case that was heard and decided before the election? There was no reason given, but it was obviously because she had just joined the court, the case was already almost all the way through the decision-making process, and was already decided with a five-vote majority without her participation.

Judges don't sit out votes unless there's some sort of conflict of interest. You can be sure all five conservative justices, three of them appointed by Trump with a view toward exactly this state of affairs, will participate in voter fraud cases. Could one of them wander off the reservation, lured by the siren song of extravagant media praise and being the toast of the Georgetown cocktail party circuit? Or by being bought or blackmailed, like John Roberts? Of course, that's always a risk. But they won't just sit it out because they feel like it.

Is Winston right. Are you just being deliberately disingenuous?

[HenryGeorge]

It's funny how these liberals make it out sound as though this election couldn't possibly be rigged against Trump, when for example, it was shown by leaked emails from Wikileaks that there was an active conspiracy by top officials of the DNC to undermine Bernie Sanders' candidacy by multiple means. But, somehow this election was 100% honest/legit

[Cornfed]

I'm actually surprised by how much Trump legitimately won. It really appears to have been a Trumpslide. OK so he was up against the very worst possible candidates in Senile Joe and The Hoe, but I would have thought demographic change alone would have made it a closer thing.