Are blacks right to achievement-shame?

[Cornfed]

I’m thinking of the stereotypical TNB of black kids ridiculing or beating up other black kids who try to do well in school. You could argue that such behaviour makes sense in the environmental niche that blacks evolved to fill, where resources were generally easy to obtain while attrition from disease and infection was high. In such an environment it makes sense to keep things simple. For one thing, with high mortality, devoting a lot of time to teaching stuff to children would mostly be time wasted when the children died. For another there is decrease utility to learning complex skills anyway since the purpose of doing so is generally to obtain resources and resources in the part of Africa that blacks evolved in are generally easy to obtain. For another, the high mortality rate would make it undesirable for black society to rely on things requiring complex specialist skills, since the people with those skills might all die in a malaria outbreak or whatever, and then the surviving blacks would be in trouble.

I think the main problem we have with blacks is when we try to pretend they should act like whites, and when they don’t we regard them as essentially shitty whites. When we realise they are just doing what they are supposed to do except they were placed in the wrong environment, we can be much more sympathetic towards them.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

I think the main problem we have with blacks is when we try to pretend they should act like whites, and when they don’t we regard them as essentially shitty whites.

Huh? Some of us were raised to eclipse whites academically, athletically, professionally, and financially. "Acting like whites" would have made my family aghast if you know anything about the region where I was raised.

I don't know any blacks aspiring to "act white." Talented and ambitious blacks want to be far BETTER than your garden variety white person.

If anything, it would be Japanese or Jewish people who would be worthy of educational and professional emulation, not Western whites.

[Cornfed]

Huh? Some of us were raised to eclipse whites academically, athletically, professionally, and financially. "Acting like whites" would have made my family aghast if you know anything about the region where I was raised.

I totally get it. You are a house negro type who believes that average whites are beneath you, much like the servants of upper class English tossers believe that normal English people such as cops are beneath them. But you are not what I am commenting on, as you should know.

If anything, it would be Japanese or Jewish people who would be worthy of educational and professional emulation, not Western whites.

Well, we’ve discussed the Jews in other threads. As to Japanese, Koreans etc. they do have a lot of things going for them, but synthetic/creative intelligence isn’t one of them, and this goes for a host of things that make white people unique. These things are probably beyond your purview as well, so yes, try to emulate the Japanese.

[Cornfed]

I think the main problem we have with blacks is when we try to pretend they should act like whites, and when they don’t we regard them as essentially shitty whites.

I don't know any blacks aspiring to "act white."

Even if true, so what? I was clearly talking about what white libtards think, not what blacks think.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

I totally get it. You are a house negro type who believes that average whites are beneath you.....

House Negros were slaves who still worked for whites so I don't get your metaphor. Most whites ARE beneath my family in terms of class, income, education and wealth. Only the tiny top 5% of whites would be above us, but I personally never encounter whites of this level.

For me, Western whites are those who either work for me or work on my behalf. They facilitate my comfort during travel, make me feel at home in my hotels, provide financial, legal, and tax services to me when I hire them, and they serve my meals in the countries and areas in which I live. There is no shame in that and I appreciate everything they do for me.

However, you have got to be kidding if you think upwardly mobile black people aspire to emulate whites who live lives of quiet desperation with mountains of consumer debt. Most whites dwell in the service economy now and only the upper middle and upper class whites compete on my level. Again, there is no shame in that, but being like them would be taking 2 and 3 steps downward in social class.

I am now seeing more affluent Indians and Africans displacing whites in the most exclusive areas where I stay now. Whites simply work in the restaurants, stores, and businesses that serve.

I don't mean to suggest that there is anything wrong with whites, but the illusion that whites are somehow the pinnacle of achievement is ridiculous. Most whites are more like you in terms of class-status than they are like billionaire Jeff Bezos. So great success is no longer associated with whiteness in America as it was before talented and committed immigrants beat whites at their own game.

[hypermak]

House Negros were slaves who still worked for whites so I don't get your metaphor. Most white ARE beneath my family in terms of class, income, education and wealth. Only the tiny top 5% of whites would be above us, but I personally never encounter whites of this level.

For me, Western whites those who either work for me or work on my behalf. They facilitate my comfort during travel, make me feel at home in my hotels, provide financial, legal, and tax services to me when I hire them, and they serve my meals in the countries and areas in which I live. There is no shame in that and I appreciate everything they do for me.

However, you have got to be kidding if you think upwardly mobile black people aspire to emulate whites who live lives of quiet desperation with mountains of consumer debt. Most whites dwell in the service economy now and only the upper middle and upper class whites compete on my level. Again, there is no shame in that, but being like them would be taking 2 and 3 steps downward in social class.

I am now seeing more affluent Indians and Africans displacing whites in the most exclusive areas where I stay now. Whites simply work in the restaurants, stores, and businesses that serve.

I don't mean to suggest that there is anything wrong with whites, but the illusion that whites are somehow the pinnacle of achievement is ridiculous. Most whites are more like you in terms of class-status than billionaire Jeff Bezos. So great success is no longer associated with whiteness in America as it was before talented and committed immigrants beat whites at their own game.

[Moretorque]

House Negros were slaves who still worked for whites so I don't get your metaphor. Most white ARE beneath my family in terms of class, income, education and wealth. Only the tiny top 5% of whites would be above us, but I personally never encounter whites of this level.

For me, Western whites those who either work for me or work on my behalf. They facilitate my comfort during travel, make me feel at home in my hotels, provide financial, legal, and tax services to me when I hire them, and they serve my meals in the countries and areas in which I live. There is no shame in that and I appreciate everything they do for me.

However, you have got to be kidding if you think upwardly mobile black people aspire to emulate whites who live lives of quiet desperation with mountains of consumer debt. Most whites dwell in the service economy now and only the upper middle and upper class whites compete on my level. Again, there is no shame in that, but being like them would be taking 2 and 3 steps downward in social class.

I am now seeing more affluent Indians and Africans displacing whites in the most exclusive areas where I stay now. Whites simply work in the restaurants, stores, and businesses that serve.

I don't mean to suggest that there is anything wrong with whites, but the illusion that whites are somehow the pinnacle of achievement is ridiculous. Most whites are more like you in terms of class-status than billionaire Jeff Bezos. So great success is no longer associated with whiteness in America as it was before talented and committed immigrants beat whites at their own game.

Today for the most part everybodies sustenance has to do with how well you are plugged into the state or credit monopoly....

[Contrarian Expatriate]

You are a house negro type who believes that daverage whites are beneath you, much like the servants of upper class English tossers believe that normal English people such as cops are beneath them..

But Corny you know darn well you are a BELOW average white person in terms of talent, drive, wealth, etc. Your lack of success with women should make that clear to you.

So yes, try to emulate the Japanese.

Why would I need to emulate the Japanese? I have already done far better than the average Asian or Jewish person.

My point was that underachieving blacks would be better off emulating Japanese and Jews than whites who have backslid in terms of ability, achievement, and wealth in the socioeconomic hierarchy.

[Cornfed]

Your lack pd success with women should make that clear to you.

Your comments on the matter are contradictory. You claim that women generally select the worst men to have sex with and admit to paying for sex in one way or another yourself, so there is no reason for you to criticise others for not being one of the small percentage dirtbags that most Western sluts want to have sex with. In general, criticising a man for not attracting Western sluts is like criticising a surfer for not attracting sharks.

My point was that underachieving blacks would be better off emulating Japanese and Jews than whites who have backslid in terms of ability, achievement, and wealth in the socioeconomic heirarchy.

Much of the problem is that whites have been targeted for elimination by the global elite as we are seen as being in the way of their planned dystopia, but it is true that whites do have various problematic issues as a result of being subject to dysgenic pressure for longer than most other races. I recommend that if underachieving blacks try emulating anyone it be Japanese rather than Jews. There is only room for one racial mafia organisation in the criminal cartel running the world, and it aint going to be blacks.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Your comments on the matter are contradictory. You claim that women generally select the worst men to have sex with....

Ah, no.... Women are hypergamous regarding sexual partners you moron. That means they have sex with men who are ABOVE them in some manner or form, usually status, looks, and wealth. Given your long-term sexual deprivation and anger about it, I'm not sure why this is so confusing for you when you so thoroughly embody the very type that women DON'T want.

If women wanted low-status men, you would not be a sexually frustrated incel on the verge of murderous rampage. Attractive white women find you sexually repulsive because you are, well, repulsive.

Much of the problem is that whites have been targeted for elimination by the global elite as we are seen as being in the way of their planned dystopia.

That's an idiotic view on several levels. Whites are exterminating themselves because your women find more value in raising little puppies and kittens than white children. Don't blame white self-hatred on some global conspiracy.

I recommend that if underachieving blacks try emulating anyone it be Japanese rather than Jews.

I'm not sure an unemployed, sexless, shiftless, unhinged, unintelligent, loser-at-life like yourself should be recommending anything to anyone, especially ghetto-class blacks. That would be a case of the brainless leading the blind.

[Cornfed]

Your comments on the matter are contradictory. You claim that women generally select the worst men to have sex with....

Ah, no.... Women are hypergamous regarding sexual partners you moron. That means they have sex with men who are ABOVE them in some manner or form, usually status, looks, and wealth.

In a recent post you said that black females choose to breed with horrible men. You are clearly some kind of raving schizophrenic.

Whites are exterminating themselves because your women find more value in raising little puppies and kittens than white children.

Yes, because the global conspiracy is plundering resources from white men and paying them to do that, just as the welfare state is also screwing decent black males.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

In a recent post you said that black females choose to breed with horrible men. You are clearly some kind of raving schizophrenic.

Poor Kiwi prole.... Maybe the concept of hypergamy is too complex for a low IQ person like yourself to figure out that hypergamy EXPRESSES itself in black females differently than in white females. Try not to hurt your brain so much on these things. I take it that you may not have attended university, but you really are as stupid as stupid can be.

Yes, because the global conspiracy is plundering resources from white men and paying them to do that, just as the welfare state is also screwing decent black males.

What kind of resources are you having plundered as a barely literate, underemployed, prole in NZ? I have noticed that you like to link yourself into the subset of high value white men so do pay out a great deal in taxes to Western governments. But you are just an throwaway prole who can barely feed himself and who can't manage to get a girl to breed with him.

Instead of considering your whiteness as your distinguishing characteristic, you might want to identify as a prole because that is what you are. Your family must be oh so proud of you.

[Cornfed]

In a recent post you said that black females choose to breed with horrible men. You are clearly some kind of raving schizophrenic.

Poor Kiwi prole.... Maybe the concept of hypergamy is too complex for a low IQ person like yourself to figure out that hypergamy EXPRESSES itself in black females differently than in white females.

I think we both know that white females are sadly not that much different from their black counterparts now, which is one of the reasons you have to pay them, whereas many black scum don't.

What kind of resources are you having plundered as a barely literate

See, this is where people are going to know you are just trolling, when in a recent post you acknowledged that I was literate, as opposed to necessarily being intelligent. If you are not sincere then there is unfortunately not much point in discussion. BTW, are you sure you are OK? You seem to not be functioning all that well of late.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

See, this is where people are going to know you are just trolling, when in a recent post you acknowledged that I was literate, as opposed to necessarily being intelligent. If you are not sincere then there is unfortunately not much point in discussion. BTW, are you sure you are OK? You seem to not be functioning all that well of late.

Just because you can string together a few grammatically correct sentences does not render you literate when most of what you write has no basis in logic, common sense, or cogent thought.

If I ever considered you literate, allow me to reconsider.

[hypermak]

If you are not sincere then there is unfortunately not much point in discussion. BTW, are you sure you are OK? You seem to not be functioning all that well of late.

I think you nailed it here, @Cornfed.

There is no point talking to someone who can make up anything about himself and his life to win an argument or justify what they say.

Even if you (or I) told him that we are wealthy, with 2 Masters degrees and managing a multimillion dollar business, he would immediately reply that his family left him a fortune, he retired as Executive Director on a $250,000/yr pension and he has investment incomes totalling a multiple of that.

For how much (or how little) I agree with your ideas, @Cornfed, I must admit you are one of the most honest members of this forum. You say how it is, or you believe it is, and that is worth appreciating and sympathising with.