Outcast9428 wrote: ↑December 6th, 2022, 11:46 pm
If Indonesia is going to ban premarital sex though, they need to lower the minimum age of marriage. To have it at 19 years old for girls is ridiculously high. How can they pride themselves on being a traditional society while having such an absurdly high minimum age of marriage?
I haven't been keeping up with these laws. Apparently, that one is two years old. That's crazy. For the whole time I was there, my understanding was that 17-year-olds were adults there. So if they wanted to marry, it wasn't against the law as far as I knew.
I just read this:
>>Indonesia’s 1974 Marriage Law permits girls as young as age 16 to get married. However, under Indonesia’s 2002 child protection law, anyone under the age of 18 is considered a child. These competing laws create a situation where girls still marry young despite legally being children.
On September 17, 2019, Indonesia announced that it was raising the minimum age requirement of brides in order to end child marriage. Now, women have to be 19 before they can get married. It is expected that this new motion will open young women up to new opportunities that were previously only available to young men. The country hopes to see full, legal implementation of this change within the next three years.
However, this new motion may not curb child marriages completely. Families can appeal to religious courts to have their children unofficially married off before they reach the legal age. As a result, around 1 percent of Indonesian girls are still getting married before the age of 15.<<<
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https://borgenproject.org/indonesia-end ... 0children.
For me the ethical issue is if the girl's body is old enough to have children. If she's at full height at development at 16, then why shouldn't she be allowed to marry if her parents (or more specifically her father if she has one) agree to it? I think they were kowtowing to liberal feminist thought.
There are definitely some negative aspects to living in a predominantly Muslim country--- those loud screaming onions everywhere, waking you up way too early with the worst-sounding chanter/singers they can put on tape, putting the person with the worst singing voice on the microphone to chant the Al-Qur'an. That's an Indonesian thing. I think Arabs pick someone with a decent singing voice. There is also blasphemy laws they used to accuse Christian preachers who are having an impact. The Saudis go to extremes restricting females preventing normal functioning of family life (what guy wants to be involved in all the grocery shopping) or having to wear a cloth garbage bag from head to toe.
But at least there is some resistance to the sexual revolution stuff and also the LGBT agenda. They had backed off on LGBT junk in Indonesia at one point. Now maybe this law will outlaw same-sex sex altogether. There were some bencong/banci types in parts of Jakarta during the years I was there, like gross-looking middle aged dudes wearing women's clothing and dancing while hustling money instead of acting like a normal beggar.
Once I was at the mall area at Blok M, where I'd go to eat at the food court, but outside. This guy, probably in his 20's, came up to me wearing shorts, sandals, and just a vest. He said, "two hundred." That was weird. Normally beggars set by the road and said nothing. I was going to give him 200 rupiah, about 2 cents, so he would go on his way. But he said, $200. (Maybe he said 200,000 rupiah....I don't remember. That's 20 bucks.) It took a split second to register, and that guy was gone. It was like he virtually disappeared. I think he could see the look of revulsion appear on my face as I figured he was selling his wares and quickly disappeared. I felt insulted that he thought I might be interested in such a thing. Maybe he could get big bucks from some expats and went around hitting them all up and leaving fast if they didn't show interest so he wouldn't get arrested.
Jakarta is a big bustling city. A friend of mine told me about 'squeeze me' bars where expats would go, feel up the girls, take them home, and give them 'taxi money' to get home. He'd go there with clients and take a secretary with him if his wife was out of town so he wouldn't get felt up. There was a big news story about the police busting a house of prostitution when I was there around 2017 or 2018. In the late 1990's, I got hit up to play 'ciki ciki' by a couple of prostitutes. One was like a 9 or 10, who had just lain with two Chinese dudes. I'd gone to a cheap losmen, and I had no idea what it was used for until it was late and the city was shut down. I should have been suspicious of a $2 motel. I forked out the big bucks, $10, for a real hotel the next day. There is some of this sordid stuff going on, but it seems to be more niche rather then widespread like the reputation Bangkok has.
But a year or so after my wife were married, one hotel in Padang wasn't going to let us stay there together if we couldn't show them a marriage certificate. It might have had to do with a city ordinance or possibly just hotel policy, but I think other hotels were like that. My wife showed something like a wedding photo. That combined with the wedding rings might have been what got us a room together. We'd been on a bus for two or three days. I needed to share a room with my wife after being pent up for that long.
