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Not exactly. Depends on how you define "poor pay" and how spoiled you are. The pay for teaching online starts at around 10 dollars per hour. That's not a bad wage in most countries. It's above average in many countries in fact, especially the third world, where people make less than that for a full day's work. So from that perspective, it's not a poor wage, unless you are spoiled and used to making 30 dollars an hour. You can't judge everything from a spoiled person's point of view.IvanMNG wrote: ↑July 31st, 2018, 1:33 amNo self-respecting native speaker with any kind of ambition should get into teaching English online. That is a TERRIBLE way of making money because you're trading time for very poor pay. You're better off staying at home and saving up some money before attempting something else.
I was making that teaching in Cambodia about 12 years ago. (I sometimes had to do annoying extra things like marking for no pay, but I understand this might be the case for teaching English online too). When you factor inflation into account, which I would calculate has roughly cut buying power in half, to agree to work for that now would be ridiculous. You would be better off on the dole in Western shitholes.Winston wrote: ↑August 20th, 2018, 4:59 pmNot exactly. Depends on how you define "poor pay" and how spoiled you are. The pay for teaching online starts at around 10 dollars per hour. That's not a bad wage in most countries.IvanMNG wrote: ↑July 31st, 2018, 1:33 amNo self-respecting native speaker with any kind of ambition should get into teaching English online. That is a TERRIBLE way of making money because you're trading time for very poor pay. You're better off staying at home and saving up some money before attempting something else.
Basically, you're saying two things:Winston wrote: ↑August 20th, 2018, 4:59 pmNot exactly. Depends on how you define "poor pay" and how spoiled you are. The pay for teaching online starts at around 10 dollars per hour. That's not a bad wage in most countries. It's above average in many countries in fact, especially the third world, where people make less than that for a full day's work. So from that perspective, it's not a poor wage, unless you are spoiled and used to making 30 dollars an hour. You can't judge everything from a spoiled person's point of view.IvanMNG wrote: ↑July 31st, 2018, 1:33 amNo self-respecting native speaker with any kind of ambition should get into teaching English online. That is a TERRIBLE way of making money because you're trading time for very poor pay. You're better off staying at home and saving up some money before attempting something else.
That's the problem with Americans today. Everyone thinks they are hot stuff and deserve to be making 30 dollars an hour just because some self-improvement/self-help book or guru tells you you deserve the very best and never settle. As a result, everyone thinks they are worth more than what they really are, and have an OVERLY high sense of entitlement and EGO, and thus price themselves out of the market.
If you were an employer, would you want to hire someone with a DELUSIONAL and overly high sense of entitlement who thinks he or she is worth a lot of money, just because the self-esteem industry brainwashed them to feel "special" and "worthy" of a very high salary and big pay, and that they "deserve the very best", just so the self-esteem/self-improvement industry can sell books. Because that's what people want to hear because it flatters their ego? It's insane and makes no sense.
Deluding everyone and spoiling them with a big ego and overly high sense of entitlement and self-worth is NOT a good thing. In the end, it makes companies and corporations move overseas and outsource American jobs to foreign workers that are more humble and down to earth. You can't blame them. Too bad Donald Trump doesn't have the guts to mention this during his rants against corporate outsourcing abroad. Only Winston Wu has the guts to tell such truths that spoiled people don't want to hear.
Yeah, you suck Winston, but that is basically the question. We can't or shouldn't live as third worlders now. We need insurance, internet access, flights and such too. And we are trying to better ourselves. You are not helping HA by suggesting we should live as third worlders.IvanMNG wrote: ↑August 20th, 2018, 11:40 pmBasically, you're saying two things:
a) Americans (Which I'm not) are spoiled if they get 30$+/hour and should be thankful for that because someone else has it worse
b) Everyone who aspires to more is delusional, foreign workers are more down to earth and are delighted to do monotonous slave labor.
This still doesn't explain:
-Why should someone in a 1st world country be content with a 3rd world rate when the person has a 1st world cost of living?
-Why is someone who aspires to do better assumed to be delusional?
Actually ive had a lot of jobs where i made 10 dollars an hour. I've worked for 7 or 8 dollars an hour too. In the 1990s making 9 dollars an hour was considered a good wage. Lots of asians liked it. Havent you seen my resume?El_Caudillo wrote: ↑August 20th, 2018, 8:53 pmWinston is half right on this. If you are teaching online making ten dollars an hour while living in the Philippines say it's not too bad a deal. Probably it wouldn't be that easy to schedule, and you wouldn't want to do more than 15 hours, but that's 150 USD a week - and you don't need to leave the house provided you have decent internet. 600 USD a month will go a long way to covering basic costs. I used to teach some Russians online when I lived in Argentina - it only paid 8 an hour - paid forfood though. Doing something like this is also better than doing nothing - you are still building some skills. I can't imagine ten dollars and hour would tempt Winston himself though.
No i didnt say that. If you live in first world thats different. Im talking about living in the third world like Philippines. You dont need a first world salary in a third world country. Unless you have a huge ego and sense of entitlement of course.IvanMNG wrote: ↑August 20th, 2018, 11:40 pmBasically, you're saying two things:
a) Americans (Which I'm not) are spoiled if they get 30$+/hour and should be thankful for that because someone else has it worse
b) Everyone who aspires to more is delusional, foreign workers are more down to earth and are delighted to do monotonous slave labor.
This still doesn't explain:
-Why should someone in a 1st world country be content with a 3rd world rate when the person has a 1st world cost of living?
-Why is someone who aspires to do better assumed to be delusional?
I never said that. I was referring to living in the third world and making 10 dollars an hour, which is way above average in the third world. In the Philippines anyone would be happy to make that, unless they are from an upper class family.Cornfed wrote: ↑August 21st, 2018, 1:03 amYeah, you suck Winston, but that is basically the question. We can't or shouldn't live as third worlders now. We need insurance, internet access, flights and such too. And we are trying to better ourselves. You are not helping HA by suggesting we should live as third worlders.
But we need to live on much, much more than that. It doesn't really matter whether we deserve it or not. We need it. When I opined on this in 2004 I said $1000 a month. Now I say $2000 a month. f**k what it the average third world wage and what your parents are paying you. That is what a white man would need, and it is indeed a lot.Winston wrote: ↑August 21st, 2018, 4:00 amI never said that. I was referring to living in the third world and making 10 dollars an hour, which is way above average in the third world.Cornfed wrote: ↑August 21st, 2018, 1:03 amYeah, you suck Winston, but that is basically the question. We can't or shouldn't live as third worlders now. We need insurance, internet access, flights and such too. And we are trying to better ourselves. You are not helping HA by suggesting we should live as third worlders.