Would you live abroad or in the west?

[The]

It seems like everyone overlooks the financial angle. If you have money, and I mean lots of dough, then everywhere is just as good. The only condition is you have to flaunt it, and you will get the attention you need. Do it moderately, I am not talking about 10 grand tabs or other similar wasteful habits. Get a nice car. Get a nice house, invite women over. Women in all shape and sizes will come showing interest, and your life will not be so boring anymore. OP, I see that you are quite new here. And judging from your username, all I can say is the whole incel or MGTOW concept doesn't work. Men need women, and vice versa. Unless you are quite elderly now and already gone through 2 or 3 divorces, don't MGTOW and don't be an incel. Routine sex is healthy, physically and mentally. If you can't get a wife or a girlfriend, get a muse.

Back to topic, I search long and hard, and couldn't find a country that provides both good salary and social connections (yes, women). You usually get one but not the other. So my goal is to work hard and smart, and invest wisely so I can retire within 10 to 12 years time. I like both western and eastern europe. Germany is my first choice. It is just at eastern europe's doorstep, yet is so close to major world trade centers. It's only 11 hours to New York or Beijing, and only 4 hours to Moscow. Within that 11 hour proximity, you get so much lifestyle varieties.

You can be a MGTOW and still bang women....Other than that and the comment about visiting New York...scratch that....and your good to go....

[drealm]

Back to topic, I search long and hard, and couldn't find a country that provides both good salary and social connections (yes, women). You usually get one but not the other. So my goal is to work hard and smart, and invest wisely so I can retire within 10 to 12 years time. I like both western and eastern europe. Germany is my first choice. It is just at eastern europe's doorstep, yet is so close to major world trade centers. It's only 11 hours to New York or Beijing, and only 4 hours to Moscow. Within that 11 hour proximity, you get so much lifestyle varieties.

You don't necessarily need to choose "the west" or "abroad". A third option is living in the west on a border, having a good job, then frequently traveling into a neighboring non-femisphere country. The obvious choice in America is San Diego/Tijuana. There may be similar options in Europe.

[S_Parc]

the comment about visiting New York...scratch that

At this point in life, NYC is nothing more than a business travel depot. It has no other utilitarian nor cultural purpose anymore.

[romparoo]

You can be a MGTOW and still bang women....

True to that. But many MGTOW do appear to be either incel or older men who had experienced divorces and simply want out of the game. I am not too fussy with the precise definition since there isn't one anyway.

[romparoo]

You don't necessarily need to choose "the west" or "abroad". A third option is living in the west on a border, having a good job, then frequently traveling into a neighboring non-femisphere country. The obvious choice in America is San Diego/Tijuana. There may be similar options in Europe.

The former is ok if one is an American and into latin girls.

The European option isn't easy because permanent residency is hard to come by. My first choice would be Germany. I don't know the German language and have no residence permit so my chance of a good job is very limited. Plus, I am doing well here and it makes no sense to gamble even if I get offered a job in Germany. The EU as a whole is in permanent decline and the pay isn't that high in Germany. If I have a big stash, large enough for purchasing a residency and be a permanent EU resident, getting girls locally will just be as easy with that stash of dough.

At this point in life, NYC is nothing more than a business travel depot. It has no other utilitarian nor cultural purpose anymore.

NYC is good if you have plenty to splurge.

[Moretorque]

I am going to have you all know something if you do not already, all fiat currencies go to their real value of 0 eventually so you better get the gett'in while the gett'in is good. All the paper investments are just promises to pay and the whole system is propped up on fraud period.

[S_Parc]

At this point in life, NYC is nothing more than a business travel depot. It has no other utilitarian nor cultural purpose anymore.

NYC is good if you have plenty to splurge.

The question is why waste that extra cash, if you had it? Montreal is a one hour flight from NYC and one can hit the bars there or if in a hurry, get some strippers and esc*rts. I'd say that that rich banker is still better off, taking his dough elsewhere than in supporting NY's local economy.

[262]

Btw, moving abroad to "get away from American woman" is ridiculous. American women are not the problem; American culture is. You don't want to give American women, or any type of women for that matter, that much control over your life's decisions.

This. This is also why you don't bring a foreign woman to the US.

[The]

At this point in life, NYC is nothing more than a business travel depot. It has no other utilitarian nor cultural purpose anymore.

NYC is good if you have plenty to splurge.

The question is why waste that extra cash, if you had it? Montreal is a one hour flight from NYC and one can hit the bars there or if in a hurry, get some strippers and esc*rts. I'd say that that rich banker is still better off, taking his dough elsewhere than in supporting NY's local economy.

Besides NYC is a wealthy city....Its not like they will miss your dollars...

[S_Parc]

The question is why waste that extra cash, if you had it? Montreal is a one hour flight from NYC and one can hit the bars there or if in a hurry, get some strippers and esc*rts. I'd say that that rich banker is still better off, taking his dough elsewhere than in supporting NY's local economy.

Besides NYC is a wealthy city....Its not like they will miss your dollars...

Yes, let the media celebrities, trust fund babies, and international oil/commodities barons blow their cash there.

An up and coming trader (with a HA focus), who's now pulling in $500K or more, should party it up in Montreal on the weekends. I'd recently spoken to an old classmate, who'd broken into a trading firm in Manhattan, and even he's not interest in the faux social BS scene of the city. He'd rather take his bonuses and have some real fun with them. There's little point in plunking down $300 per head, for a dinner, just to make a statement in front of others. That's the price of a plane ticket to a much more fun city.

[The]

The question is why waste that extra cash, if you had it? Montreal is a one hour flight from NYC and one can hit the bars there or if in a hurry, get some strippers and esc*rts. I'd say that that rich banker is still better off, taking his dough elsewhere than in supporting NY's local economy.

Besides NYC is a wealthy city....Its not like they will miss your dollars...

Yes, let the media celebrities, trust fund babies, and international oil/commodities barons blow their cash there.

An up and coming trader (with a HA focus), who's now pulling in $500K or more, should party it up in Montreal on the weekends. I'd recently spoken to an old classmate, who'd broken into a trading firm in Manhattan, and even he's not interest in the faux social BS scene of the city. He'd rather take his bonuses and have some real fun with them. There's little point in plunking down $300 per head, for a dinner, just to make a statement in front of others. That's the price of a plane ticket to a much more fun city.

If I was making that kind of money I would f**k off to Canada or f**k off to Bermuda (only 2 and a half hours)....

[S_Parc]

Yes, let the media celebrities, trust fund babies, and international oil/commodities barons blow their cash there.

An up and coming trader (with a HA focus), who's now pulling in $500K or more, should party it up in Montreal on the weekends. I'd recently spoken to an old classmate, who'd broken into a trading firm in Manhattan, and even he's not interest in the faux social BS scene of the city. He'd rather take his bonuses and have some real fun with them. There's little point in plunking down $300 per head, for a dinner, just to make a statement in front of others. That's the price of a plane ticket to a much more fun city.

If I was making that kind of money I would f**k off to Canada or f**k off to Bermuda (only 2 and a half hours)....

Yes, my friend's downsized to a small studio apart in Jersey City and has stopped wasting his time/money with his high roller peers. He knows that those guys are a bunch of idiots and doesn't want to socialize with them outside of the office. He's taken the HA route and makes trips to Canada, Caribbean, and Central America.

[Teal Lantern]

I know many of us here desire to travel or already traveled abroad to meet better women/wife and to get away from American women. If you are not looking for a wife/girlfriend, would you still live abroad or live in the west?

Having a s.o. a/o kids wouldn't make BDG any less corrupt, broke, and so desperate for cash that they've turned to road side shakedowns, civil asset seizure, and pension theft. Trying to build a family life in what remains of the West is simply creating extra hostages to negotiate the release of as well as trying to convince the hostages themselves to leave.

[romparoo]

The & S-Parc,

NYC is an epitome of coolness, which is a concept women totally dig whether you as a man like it or not. If I station in Europe and get a girl, damn straight she will suggest that 11-hours journey to NYC for 'cultural purposes'. She will keep harping on that until I give in, or I'll get the "I don't feel like it tonight babe, I am thinking about the fun things we can do in NYC"...yada yada...She'll be one hand stroking me and if I say no then she'll flirtatiously slap me on my thigh and said "I am going to brush my teeth and sleep"

We like to rant here but that's our reality as men

[S_Parc]

The & S-Parc,

NYC is an epitome of coolness, which is a concept women totally dig whether you as a man like it or not. If I station in Europe and get a girl, damn straight she will suggest that 11-hours journey to NYC for 'cultural purposes'. She will keep harping on that until I give in, or I'll get the "I don't feel like it tonight babe, I am thinking about the fun things we can do in NYC"...yada yada...She'll be one hand stroking me and if I say no then she'll flirtatiously slap me on my thigh and said "I am going to brush my teeth and sleep"

We like to rant here but that's our reality as men

I'd grown up in Boston (4 hours away) and know all about it. My sister was an "I Love New York, what a great vacation" type. Fortunately, the women I'd dated weren't so Big Apple obsessed.

Now that I'm passed 30, there's basically nothing there which has any appeal for me. My GF and I almost never go there.