No wonder why Elliot Rodger lost it - He was in narcissismvil

[eurobrat]

If I was younger then the answer would be yes, but now I'm far too old to go around "slutting it up". Grey hairs and past my prime theres few that want me.

I did it in my teenage years. Now I settled down with one woman and I couldn't care less for the whole scene. For those who have the situation, the drive and the opportunity however, I can heartily recommend it. It's good for people to get some sense of experience before settling down, if only so little.

I am however leaving Italy because life is too difficult here, the girls are immoral not the kind of people that I thought they were and there's pretty much no future in this country for someone like me.

Not much of a surprise, eh?

Americans insisting European women are so much better then American women are very, very thick. The West is the West, after all. The type of egocentric feminist career-c**ts you have in America, you'll find in Italy, Germany, Eastern, Western and North Europe. Hell, you'll even find them in many Chinese countries such as China, Japan and South-Korea.

It's not just about the women, it's more so about the present state of the society itself.

It's a lot more than that and I would have to go in detail about my life here in Italy and how this country is on a dramatic downfall into a goulash of shit. It would take me days to write.

But overall, there's pretty much nothing here for me not even career opportunities. And actually the women aren't easy nor are they traditional. They're in a weird kind of limbo that's hard to describe.

[eurobrat]

If you play your cards right you can have your cake and eat it too... sex with immoral sluts in the West, and ultimately marriage to a good woman abroad.

This is one of the more interesting things you have ever said.

So that's your strategy?

What's your strategy?

[green1976]

If I was younger then the answer would be yes, but now I'm far too old to go around "slutting it up". Grey hairs and past my prime theres few that want me.

I did it in my teenage years. Now I settled down with one woman and I couldn't care less for the whole scene. For those who have the situation, the drive and the opportunity however, I can heartily recommend it. It's good for people to get some sense of experience before settling down, if only so little.

I am however leaving Italy because life is too difficult here, the girls are immoral not the kind of people that I thought they were and there's pretty much no future in this country for someone like me.

Not much of a surprise, eh?

Americans insisting European women are so much better then American women are very, very thick. The West is the West, after all. The type of egocentric feminist career-c**ts you have in America, you'll find in Italy, Germany, Eastern, Western and North Europe. Hell, you'll even find them in many Chinese countries such as China, Japan and South-Korea.

It's not just about the women, it's more so about the present state of the society itself.

It's a lot more than that and I would have to go in detail about my life here in Italy and how this country is on a dramatic downfall into a goulash of shit. It would take me days to write.

But overall, there's pretty much nothing here for me not even career opportunities. And actually the women aren't easy nor are they traditional. They're in a weird kind of limbo that's hard to describe.

Most Italian women sucks and are shit..
That's my experience here as i rent an appartment and i have a good panel to make an opinion.

Most of the time they are loud,rude,thinks that they are some kind of superior,are very demanding for erverything..i feel they have taken the lead in Italy..Italian men are totally behind,you have a country where guys stay at parents home after 30 because they can't catch the society how it's working.

I got a lot of better feeling with German women or Nordic as they don't have the revenge attitude i found with Italian women.

[green1976]

If I was younger then the answer would be yes, but now I'm far too old to go around "slutting it up". Grey hairs and past my prime theres few that want me.

I did it in my teenage years. Now I settled down with one woman and I couldn't care less for the whole scene. For those who have the situation, the drive and the opportunity however, I can heartily recommend it. It's good for people to get some sense of experience before settling down, if only so little.

I am however leaving Italy because life is too difficult here, the girls are immoral not the kind of people that I thought they were and there's pretty much no future in this country for someone like me.

Not much of a surprise, eh?

Americans insisting European women are so much better then American women are very, very thick. The West is the West, after all. The type of egocentric feminist career-c**ts you have in America, you'll find in Italy, Germany, Eastern, Western and North Europe. Hell, you'll even find them in many Chinese countries such as China, Japan and South-Korea.

Wherever women are westernized, you will see lowered birth rates, less traditional families, and much more women who attach greater value to their careers and personal success then to any relationship they might have. Relations are therefore often fleeting and people rarely settle down before thirty, especially in the higher classes. People live a very hedonistic lifestyle. You will see this in many countries.

To say that American women are inferior to all others as some people say is preposterous, as you'll find equally inferior women in whatever shithole of a country you decide to visit. The only difference is the number of these women and the prevalence of this mindset in the individual area or country you go to. But the mindset is not an American one.

I always said I was keen on leaving the West as a whole, a term I use very widely. To me the West includes all nation that are greatly westernized both physically as well as mentally. If it's shallow friendships, shallow flings and the newest gadgets you want, the West is your place. If it's a good woman you want, go East and go rural. That's my experience, anyway.

European..American women..why some guys here dreams of Europe like a liberation land where women will be easygoing,non feminist,non consumerist and respect men?

Time to wake up dudes here...don't loose your time going to a Western countries if you are going there for their women.

Take a trip to Latin America or better to SEA especially the Phillippines or Thailand,don't miss your precious time,money for the almost same bullshit you have in America.

Just listen some of those guys who are living here in Europe.
If Europe was so great for women why you think Thailand is flooded with British,French and European men?
I've been to the US,i live in France..it's almost the same garbage..the only advantage of France is that they are less agressive,are less anti males and more feminine but that's all.
It's nothing when it comes to find real differences with the US,you won't get an experience who will change your reality.

[eurobrat]

Most Italian women sucks and are shit..
That's my experience here as i rent an appartment and i have a good panel to make an opinion.

Most of the time they are loud,rude,thinks that they are some kind of superior,are very demanding for erverything..i feel they have taken the lead in Italy..Italian men are totally behing,you have a country where guys stay at parents home after 30 because they can't catch the society how it's working.

I got a lot of better feeling with German women or Nordic as they don't have the revenge attitude i found with Italian women.

Italy has indeed been disappointing for me and a lot of others I have spoken with.

But, not all Italian girls are loud and rude but a good majority are, maybe 75% or so. Italian men have fallen behind but I don't see the girls here going anywhere either

I haven't felt that the girls here have this revenge attitude. But I do know a lot of them look really disappointed in how their lives are turning out and they do have the entitlement factor that their looks should get them everything they wanted in life, just like their American counterparts.

[Cornfed]

Elliot's father is plenty wealthy and has tons of money.

Traveling overseas would have as easy as drinking a glass of water.

Some men just don't feel compelled to travel overseas.

I knew guys in college who couldn't get dates at all and to this day, they still haven't traveled overseas.

They weren't wealthy, his dad was in lots of debt from refinancing his house to make a documentary that flopped.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/27/justi ... er-wealth/

Indeed. The other assumption people are making is that parents always freely share their wealth with their adult children and invest in such projects in them getting laid overseas, as opposed to being selfish jerks who sit around blaming their children for the fact that it is not like the good old days any more and refuse to be of any assistance. This is unfortunately not always the case.

[gsjackson]

If I was younger then the answer would be yes, but now I'm far too old to go around "slutting it up". Grey hairs and past my prime theres few that want me.

I am however leaving Italy because life is too difficult here, the girls are immoral not the kind of people that I thought they were and there's pretty much no future in this country for someone like me.

Dude, dude, dude. You have no idea how young you are. Take care of yourself and you can be in the game for decades to come, if you want to. But you'll need to lose this attitude. And honestly, grey hair just doesn't seem to be a handicap. I'm about 30-40 percent grey now, and haven't found that it makes any difference, even with women in their twenties.

On Italian women, a couple of points, and I could be talking out my ass here because I've spent a total of three days in the country.

First point: I wasn't impressed. The women had this trashy, vulgar look. Didn't see one that was appealing.

Secondly, I can recall when a female friend of mine went to Italy thirty years ago, and noted how the men would whistle and hoot as women walked by, grab asses sometimes. The women would act pissed, but actually liked it. Being a staunch anti-feminist, my friend found all of this very admirable. Now, I don't know if men still behave like this in Italy, but the women's behavior may still reflect the residue of this culture. They strut around haughtily and expect men to come strong and overcome their resistance, all of it, of course, being a lot of theatricality and role playing. Coming strong and resilient is not something that comes naturally to most American men, and with you current attitude I'm guessing that's not your M.O. right now.

Anyway, just some thoughts. Maybe PublicDuende will weigh in with more authoritative thoughts on Italian women and culture.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

If you play your cards right you can have your cake and eat it too... sex with immoral sluts in the West, and ultimately marriage to a good woman abroad.

This is one of the more interesting things you have ever said.

LOL

[fschmidt]

It's a shame his son was a violent sociopathic spoiled autistic failure of a man. There's even people sort of praising him for what he's done, saying he should have killed more women. Completely retarded behavior.

Anyone who calls Elliot Rodger a sociopath has not idea what they are talking about. American women love sociopaths. Any man who is a sociopath in America will be swamped by women. And anyone who calls Elliot Rodger a sociopath is just a typical member of modern culture, hurling insults without having any idea what they are even saying.

[fschmidt]

Oh but he was! It speaks from his every line in that Manifesto of his. He was a cold-hearted killer, plain and simple. You say sociopaths are swamped by women? You may be right, there! Spree shooters who do not commit suicide after the act tend to receive dozens of love letters in jail. This happened with Holmes, Breivik and others. There's quite a few women out there who have an obsession with "changing" or "saving" a guy who's clearly no good. I reckon it's mostly an ego thing, but part of it is simply that a person who is 'bad' is exciting to them.

Had Elliot Rodger not killed himself, he would have had plenty of visits in jail, had his jail allowed conjugal visits. He wasn't that looking and as soon as his videos and pics aired, after the attack, girls started calling him "handsome", or cute, and say things like it's a shame he is dead now.

So yeah... Elliot Rodger is definitely a sociopath. And his being a sociopath is why now, after his death, he is receiving such attention.

I don't know why I am even responding to this, but anyway... Do you know what a sociopath/psychopath is? Hint, start with the Hare Psychopathy Checklist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

[fschmidt]

I know the checklist. You have to admit he checks some of the boxes...

Grandiosity? Check. Lack of remorse? Check. Pathological lying? Check. Poor behavioral controls? Check (he was an alcoholic and had the tendency to assault people, throw drinks on them or insult them when he felt jealous). Which brings us at... impulsiveness. Check. Very impulsive guy. Denial? Check. Always put the blame outside himself while never changing or challenging his own behavior. Parasitic lifestyle? Check. Lived off parents, refused to work even when given a job. He also had a severe lack of realistic long-term goals and a complete failure to accept responsibility for own actions.

Yes. He is pretty much a sociopath. He checks a lot of the boxes.

The only thing on the list he had is grandiosity. Remorse? He had plenty of remorse about things worth having remorse about. There is no reason to have remorse about killing Americans. Pathological lying? Absolutely not. His story is very honest. Poor behavioral controls? No. He controlled his behavior for years. He wasn't an alcoholic. You are taking one isolated incident and lying to make it a pattern which it wasn't. Impulsiveness? No, he planned the murder with great detail. Denial? No, he saw the truth. The blame did belong on American society which deserves nothing but total destruction. Parasitic lifestyle? No, at least not until he gave up.

It is modern culture that is psychopathic. Normal people in modern culture check off most of the list, and this includes lying about Elliot Rodger to justify their disgusting culture. There was a mainstream video I recently watched on Elliot Rodger here:

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo ... cumentary/

And you can read my comment in the comment section.

[eurobrat]

Dude, dude, dude. You have no idea how young you are. Take care of yourself and you can be in the game for decades to come, if you want to. But you'll need to lose this attitude. And honestly, grey hair just doesn't seem to be a handicap. I'm about 30-40 percent grey now, and haven't found that it makes any difference, even with women in their twenties.

Thanks guy, I really appreciate it. I have just gone into panic mode after my year here in Italy, pretty much all the Italians my age here are Married, in a serious relationship. Meanwhile I haven't been able to get a date with any Italian only Albanians and other foreigners. I'm leaving Italy soon and it isn't because of just girls but a slew of different things.

On Italian women, a couple of points, and I could be talking out my a** here because I've spent a total of three days in the country. First point: I wasn't impressed. The women had this trashy, vulgar look. Didn't see one that was appealing.

This is correct, and while there are some cute ones here that don't have the trashy and vulgar look, they're most likely taken by 25/26ish, guys here aren't dumb and if they see a good girl who's an 8 or so they move quickly and diligently. Being the newcomer I have found out that Italian girls are not very cultured or educated. They are also not risk adverse to dating non-italian guys, meanwhile the Italian guys on the other hand are the exact opposite maybe because they are forced too.

Secondly, I can recall when a female friend of mine went to Italy thirty years ago, and noted how the men would whistle and hoot as women walked by, grab asses sometimes. The women would act pissed, but actually liked it. Being a staunch anti-feminist, my friend found all of this very admirable. Now, I don't know if men still behave like this in Italy, but the women's behavior may still reflect the residue of this culture. They strut around haughtily and expect men to come strong and overcome their resistance, all of it, of course, being a lot of theatricality and role playing. Coming strong and resilient is not something that comes naturally to most American men, and with you current attitude I'm guessing that's not your M.O. right now.

It's true that the Italy we knew growing up, vacationing here and seeing it in the movies no longer exists. Italian guys are emasculated as much as French, American, Canadian etc...

I don't mind a strong approach with confidence to back it up, but I haven't been able to get past the social circles part here in Italy.

99.9% of girls have a boyfriend at my age and I don't believe in f***ing around with some dudes chick. For the reason that if I am successful, I will then know the girl is garbage and would do the same to me if the right opportunity arises. I would rather f**k some geeky looking 19 year old Italian girl who's chubby and speaks barely any of my language than f.uck around with some dudes ragazza.

So it's a double edge sword. But none the less it's pretty much impossible for an expat to date an Italian girl as you have to be formally introduced by one of the girls friends or family members for her to even notice you. Making guy friends to try and get into a social circle is also challenging. The guys here are kind of standoffish and seem to only like to use me for free english lessons (since it costs a lot of money here to get talk time in).

The social programming of the Italian matrix is pretty strong. It's definitely too strong for an expat to break into without some heavy artillery to make a breakthrough into the social circles.

[publicduende]

It's true that the Italy we knew growing up, vacationing here and seeing it in the movies no longer exists. Italian guys are emasculated as much as French, American, Canadian etc...

I don't mind a strong approach with confidence to back it up, but I haven't been able to get past the social circles part here in Italy.

99.9% of girls have a boyfriend at my age and I don't believe in f***ing around with some dudes chick. For the reason that if I am successful, I will then know the girl is garbage and would do the same to me if the right opportunity arises. I would rather f**k some geeky looking 19 year old Italian girl who's chubby and speaks barely any of my language than f.uck around with some dudes ragazza.

So it's a double edge sword. But none the less it's pretty much impossible for an expat to date an Italian girl as you have to be formally introduced by one of the girls friends or family members for her to even notice you. Making guy friends to try and get into a social circle is also challenging. The guys here are kind of standoffish and seem to only like to use me for free english lessons (since it costs a lot of money here to get talk time in).

The social programming of the Italian matrix is pretty strong. It's definitely too strong for an expat to break into without some heavy artillery to make a breakthrough into the social circles.

Well, some of the things you say are true but, come on, saying that we are (as a people!) "emasculated"...you can't be serious! Perhaps the problem is, as you say, the fact they you couldn't "crack the code" and join a social circle where you would have had easier access to the kind of quality girls you desired. We Italians are indeed quite cliquish and tend to stick with our own kind, but that's only up until we have a chance, even the slightest chance, to go abroad and actually know the world, and how beautiful it is us to mingle, explore and discover.

Tony, as we discussed countless times, I think the crux of the matter is quite simply something we both profoundly agree on: most of the "better", as in "cultured, open-minded, adventurous, risk takers", Italians are not found in our homeland. And considering that we are pretty much a people of migrants, and have been so for centuries, it's not such a bad thing after all, that you'll have a better chance to meet a quality Italian young woman in London or New York, than in your average northern Italian province town.

As for the social circles, as they say, when in Rome do as Romans do... It shouldn't be a scandal to you, that you need some form of introduction to be trusted in a circle of friends. The good news is that it isn't as hard as you are convinced it is. Oh well, your next European adventure will give you the taste of a large city, and much of that drama will be gone.

[eurobrat]

Well, some of the things you say are true but, come on, saying that we are (as a people!) "emasculated"...you can't be serious!

You know the men are emasculated and the women not all but a good majority now act like men. Also you know the same social issues that exist in the US, Britain, France etc. exist right here in Italy.

Perhaps the problem is, as you say, the fact they you couldn't "crack the code" and join a social circle where you would have had easier access to the kind of quality girls you desired. We Italians are indeed quite cliquish and tend to stick with our own kind, but that's only up until we have a chance, even the slightest chance, to go abroad and actually know the world, and how beautiful it is us to mingle, explore and discover.

This is true and the fact is I didn't have the tools to crack the safe open to get to the gold. Had a had some family here in Italy or even friends here, I would have been better equipped to meet girls and date. Sad fact is a year here and absolutely no progress. It would have been much easier for me to get dates had I just stayed in Kansas or LA.

Tony, as we discussed countless times, I think the crux of the matter is quite simply something we both profoundly agree on: most of the "better", as in "cultured, open-minded, adventurous, risk takers", Italians are not found in our homeland. And considering that we are pretty much a people of migrants, and have been so for centuries, it's not such a bad thing after all, that you'll have a better chance to meet a quality Italian young woman in London or New York, than in your average northern Italian province town.

This is something I did not know. I always figured if I just showed up and played my cards right staying employed with money in my pocket, being in good shape, dressing nicely and being polite, funny, courteous and exotic being from the US and with a different mother tongue but with an Italian passport and ethnic background then some girl might have found me interesting to at least go on a few dates for beers and pizza.

Well I was flat out wrong on that one and I failed massively here in Italy.

[ntm1972]

Oh but he was! It speaks from his every line in that Manifesto of his. He was a cold-hearted killer, plain and simple. You say sociopaths are swamped by women? You may be right, there! Spree shooters who do not commit suicide after the act tend to receive dozens of love letters in jail. This happened with Holmes, Breivik and others. There's quite a few women out there who have an obsession with "changing" or "saving" a guy who's clearly no good. I reckon it's mostly an ego thing, but part of it is simply that a person who is 'bad' is exciting to them.

Had Elliot Rodger not killed himself, he would have had plenty of visits in jail, had his jail allowed conjugal visits. He wasn't that looking and as soon as his videos and pics aired, after the attack, girls started calling him "handsome", or cute, and say things like it's a shame he is dead now.

So yeah... Elliot Rodger is definitely a sociopath. And his being a sociopath is why now, after his death, he is receiving such attention.

I don't know why I am even responding to this, but anyway... Do you know what a sociopath/psychopath is? Hint, start with the Hare Psychopathy Checklist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

I know the checklist. You have to admit he checks some of the boxes...

Grandiosity? Check. Lack of remorse? Check. Pathological lying? Check. Poor behavioral controls? Check (he was an alcoholic and had the tendency to assault people, throw drinks on them or insult them when he felt jealous). Which brings us at... impulsiveness. Check. Very impulsive guy. Denial? Check. Always put the blame outside himself while never changing or challenging his own behavior. Parasitic lifestyle? Check. Lived off parents, refused to work even when given a job. He also had a severe lack of realistic long-term goals and a complete failure to accept responsibility for own actions.

Yes. He is pretty much a sociopath. He checks a lot of the boxes.

True, most sociopaths are natural-born lady killers. However, an alienated sociopath would not necessarily be regarded as a "catch" unless and until he fulfilled his violent fantasies.

The following quotes are taken from http://depressiond.com/sociopath-sociop ... sorder/#15, under the heading "The Alienated Sociopath".

The absence of a nurturant parent during a critical period may prevent the development of the normal capacity for love and attachment that, as social animals, we all presumably possess.... There are children who seldom or never have nurturant, loving, or happy interactions with other human beings or whose approaches to their parent are unpredictably punished so that they become extinguished. Such a child will not develop the prosocial components of socialization and their inability to relate emotionally to other people makes his or her adult adjustment problematic.

Some alienated individuals, feeling rejected by the community or unable to succeed according to its rules, repudiate the society of others and adopt a hostile, aggressive, or destructive attitude toward the group and all its members. It is a little recognized truth that feeling angry is more agreeable than feeling frightened or sad or depressed.

Freud speaks somewhere about the individual who feels disadvantaged by appearance or physical disability, by social or class origin, minority status, or in some other way and who rationalizes his failure to follow the social rules on the grounds that, having been thus cheated at the outset, those rules do not apply to him. It is an interesting and important fact that most of the diverse criminal types suggested here do tend to justify their conduct in one way or another, at least to themselves.

It seems as good a guess as any that Rodger was an alienated sociopath who consummated his revenge fantasies at the expense of his own life.