No wonder why Elliot Rodger lost it - He was in narcissismvil

[droid]

The funny thing is, there is more class and realness in the people from this video than I see in the people from either the American party video or Italian party videos:
http://youtu.be/6fVE8kSM43I

That video illustrates the typical sausage fest in America. It's actually more representative of what actually goes on than the OP video.

See, videos like the one Steve posted make it seem like these locations are 'happening' and that 'there's plenty of sluts for everyone'. When you actually hit the field, it's more like slipknot's scene.

For the average horny man, the frustration then arises from the fact that the dirty sluts are not being available to HIM, as some kind of torturous cognitive dissonance. But a level-headed man is conscious that it's mainly due to the ratios, which suck, as I've stated before.

[droid]

Eurobat, I have to respectfully wholeheartedly disagree with you on this comparison. To me its obvious.
For example, here is a u tube video of parting Italian youth. These just so happened to be the first few videos on U tube when I searched U tube under Italian partying, so Im not cherry picking.
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7il38QNNRzQ
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5anba-aKxE
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpsSkZ91WrE
Can you not clearly see the difference??? In general, the American youth (especially the women) are extremely narcissitic and crude and act trashy and totally lack any class. (not every person of course, just in general), The foul language is almost constant and rampant in most American youth partying, especially the women. There is a difference between partying in a normal healthy fun way (like these Italian videos, of which make me a bit jealous for not being able to be there) vs the douche bagness, egotistical narcisstic mannerisms of the AMerican youth partiers (obviously reflecting a culture in decline) not to mention the constant foul language in AMerican videos. I can clearly see the difference. And the majority of Latin and European young partiers don't have this trashy rap music. Usually other cultures party to classier positive happy go lucky party music like in video #2 above. Man, how can anyone not see these general differences.

Not really that much different. The trashy ways are spreading through the globe; all those pretentious douches sticking their tongues out don't seem a lot more wholesome. If you go to south-america you can find plenty of tramp-stamped bitches trying to be American, truly idiotic.
I guess what could be argued more is about the actual ratios at which these 'cultural traits' have spread out.

I never really understood the whole 'partying' thing. I understand going out and socializing, acting a bit crazy once in a while, which I did in my time. But making this a whole lifestyle is retarded.
What's frustrating is that more and more this bullshit environment is the only way to get to meet women; you can't just go to a library and talk to a chick about a common intellectual interest or something. You're expected to tat'up and speak Stupidese at a 'party' to get anywhere.

[eurobrat]

Not really that much different. The trashy ways are spreading through the globe; all those pretentious douches sticking their tongues out don't seem a lot more wholesome. If you go to south-america you can find plenty of tramp-stamped bitches trying to be American, truly idiotic. I guess what could be argued more is about the actual ratios at which these 'cultural traits' have spread out.

Thank you for that.

[Cornfed]

He expected everything to naturally work out because he was such a swell guy, and the world simply doesn't work like that.

Well wasn't Elliot right to blame the world then? Do we not want men to be rewarded for being swell guys, as opposed to being dirtbags, constantly harassing females, or whatever you think he should have been doing? Would it not be in our interests if society functioned as Elliot thought it should, rather than as it actually does?

[newlifeinphilippines]

Ironically women that want money want you to act like you have money. For example the nurse girl insuloted me and called me chinese cause im frugal minded even though im "rich". seems like he could have gotten laid by a gold digger type.

[Cornfed]

But I wouldn't say he is one of the "swell guys". He was just another dirtbag, just a failed one. He tried to be like them. Emulate them. When the cool kids started skating, so did he. If they got a car, he had to get a better one. They got a certain type of clothes? He wanted it too. In many ways he displayed the same desires as them, some of the same behaviorism's. He just couldn't pull it off because he was too autistic.

So it sounds like Elliot was trying to meet the world half way just as you saidhe should, but it probably wasn't working out for him because a decent, thinking man like Elliot trying to imitate brain-dead scum is like a giraffe trying to get into a polar bears' only nightclub by wearing a pair of dark glasses.

As far as "constantly harassing females" goes: approaching a girl, befriending a girl, isn't harassment. He never even befriended a single girl, he just creepily stared at them from the sideline, lusting after them but never taking steps to get in contact with them. He did not talk to them. Ever.

Cold approaches don't generally work. Either you approach or are approached by girls in as and accepted member of a group in a given context or the girls attract your attention in some way. In order for this to happen you must fit in with the players, which was what Elliot was trying to do, but he was unsuccessful for the reason given above.

[Cornfed]

A decent thinking man would have used his parents' connection to get along in life, would have studied hard, worked hard and made something of himself.

It sounds like that is what he was doing, but maybe he realized that the end of college was the end of the road for most men in terms of finding something approaching traditional romance in modern Amerika. He probably knew he had no chance of leading what would be taken for granted in sane societies as a normal life. Sure he could have broadened his horizons a bit, but I have fairly broad horizons and the entire world's situation looks a little bleak at the moment. If ER thought that running amok was the best way to handle things in his own case then I am not in a position to second guess him.

Physically and financially speaking he had every opportunity. He just lacked the social skills but as he hardly had any friends (his mother had set up "play dates" for him well into his teens!).

The definition of social skills here seems to be circular, in that men sluts don't whimsically want to f**k are said to have poor social skills - as if the whims of sluts are some kind of holy writ that men have to fit in with. In fact, it is likely that the sluts want to have sex with scum and Elliot's problem was that he was not scum.

[fschmidt]

Cornfed, you have a lot of patience.

[Cornfed]

He stabbed three men in their sleep whom he, in his manifesto, described as "the biggest nerds I have ever seen". In shaming these skinny, bespectacled gaming enthusiasts, he partook in the same type of shaming language these "scumbags" you and him rage against always use.

It is possible that killing them was a bit of a faux pas. Maybe he had personal reasons. Of course his killing spree could have been much better planned and executed.

Social skills are the ability for men and women to hold a decent conversation with other men and women. The ability to form friendships, relationships both platonic and romantic.

Might it not be the females who lack social skills? Modern females seem to relate to men as either friend zone orbiters they are stringing along in order to extract benefits from for nothing in return, or as scumbag degenerate men they allow to perform all manner of sex acts on themselves. Since Elliot was not suited to either position, it is not surprising that the females were unable to form a relationship with him. The females clearly need to work on their social skills in order to attract a better class of men. Most young men these days are also malsocialized, so this may have explained any problem Elliot had with them.

[Cornfed]

While it is true that many women are very poorly equipped to make a choice of partners, I would not consider Elliot to be "a better class of men". If anything, he's just one of the many men they ought to avoid.

You may be confusing cause and effect. My take on the situation was that Elliot was a good guy eventually pushed over the edge by the sheer depravity of modern society. Ideally females would be properly brought up and equipped with the social skills to form relationships with men like him, but long before the men are ready to go postal.

[starchild5]

...Its not your Arab Saudi with Islamic Laws and what not. Its freaking US Of A, You can at least see the girls with your eyes man . It must be so much frustrating for him to see couples around, girls in shorts and skirts moving freely all around him unlike in Arabia.

Being Indian, Its horrible to date in India but atleast, I was able to get a kiss, hug, hold hands sometime with girls, its rare but it was possible during festivals etc.

What happened to him was a tragedy of epic proportions, Its freaking unbelievable to a guy in third world country also who did not get laid or had long term relationships etc..but I did not get bullied or was harassed or had dysfunctional family, no real friends etc etc...If you read his manifesto..There was a series of bad events in his life ...It seems he was surrounded by Psychopaths. All he needed was one good support from his dad or relatives or friends or collage etc etc...He had NOTHING...ZERO...He couldn't get anyone...

Whatever his size, shape and format is...A man should atleast be able to get a kiss or hold hands or have real friends or have real good family...Dude...Something should happen...His family is equally to blame

He refused to pay for sex or take meds....How many in America can say that? Can You?

He was sane and intelligent but became insane and demonic which is what this forum has been saying all along..Good guys turned into demons in America.

Not condoning his actions but he would have never reached that stage, if he found some support in his 23 years of existence in America. For 23 years.....America ...couldn't do anything for him....

Dude, even the Arabs don't torture their kids like that with sexual frustration, they usually marry them by 18 and have option of multiple wifes, also in India & other conservative countries, you can marry early though arranged marriage. So much for being free to choose a girl of your dreams

This guy went through incredible pressure in all situations of his life and he has written it clearly aka how he turned into a demon. People do not get it....As a guy from third world country with No BMW...I felt for him more than my life in India after reading his Manifesto..His life was sick from start to finish. I had no gf but good family, friends, No bullies and cliques etc..It got balanced out. If this is the real ground situation in America...It means there is no balance check to sort out the negatives now...so its basically what members are saying here aka hell

He become a demon thanks to a dysfunctional society but CNN would never point that out unlike this forum.

[S_Parc]

...Its not your Arab Saudi with Islamic Laws and what not. Its freaking US Of A, You can at least see the girls with your eyes man . It must be so much frustrating for him to see couples around, girls in shorts and skirts moving freely all around him unlike in Arabia.

That period, from ages 21 to 23, was my lowest point in dating in America. Before then, I had two GFs. And afterwards, I went overseas.

And yes, I remember feeling bad when I'd see couples back in those times.

This guy went through incredible pressure in all situations of his life and he has written it clearly aka how he turned into a demon. People do not get it....As a guy from third world country with No BMW...I felt for him more than my life in India after reading his Manifesto..His life was sick from start to finish. I had no gf but good family, friends, No bullies and cliques etc..It got balanced out. If this is the real ground situation in America...It means there is no balance check to sort out the negatives now...so its basically what members are saying here aka hell

He become a demon thanks to a dysfunctional society but CNN would never point that out unlike this forum.

I concur but the thing is that ppl like him, were depicted in earlier times. The protagonist in Salinger's 'Catcher In The Rye', Holden Caulfield

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catcher_in_the_Rye

was another teenager, who resented the burgeoning hypocrisy of society around him and tried in vain to hold onto some fantasy of the innocence of youth.

The difference here is that somewhere between ages 17 and 23, Rodgers decided to check out of this earth whereas many other ppl accepted their present state of misery and decide to live life, with their heads to the ground or in some state of denial.