Join John Adams, world renowned Intl Matchmaker, Thurs nights 8:30 EST for Live Webcasts with FREE Prizes!
And check out Five Reasons why you should attend a FREE Live AFA Seminar! See locations and details.

Scam free! Check out Christian Filipina - Meet Asian women with Christian values! Members screened.
Exclusive book offer! 75% off! How to Meet, Date and Marry Your Filipina Wife

View Active Topics       Latest 100 Topics       View Your Posts       FAQ Topics       Switch to Mobile


Discuss and talk about any general topic.

Moderators: jamesbond, fschmidt

Postby Jester » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:43 am

ladislav wrote:Last year my legal residency was in Kuwait but I moved to the Philippines later on and was working for Chinese and Russian companies online. I also worked for one California company. The last one issued a W-9 form. But it was for some $2500. I declared my residency as Kuwaiti and even my visa stipulated that. I also declared my Ca income and filed a non resident tax form with California tax board.
Now, if you are a US citizen/resident and you make money off a US source but live overseas, this may not be considered foreign earned income.
Winston had better consult an expat tax accountant

IMO there is probably no US tax liablity (except SE) even if earned from US source
you have a US tax ID,
you are an individual earning wages and self-employment income.

The $91,500 exclusion does not help with dividends, or with Schedule C earnings made using capital (like trading).

I think the US source thing WILL screw you
IF you do NOT have a US tax ID
OR are a foreign corporation (including an offshore corp) earning from US source.
Then it's 30 percent off the top.

It gets more complicated if you get cute and try to game it with an offshore corp or other entity. IRS has very smart guys. Yes Winston should consult someone. Or just retain a CPA who does expat taxes and pay up.

I have guesstimated the math and don't think it pays to try an offshore structure of any kind until AGI hits $100,000.
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 7866
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:10 am
Location: Chiang Mai Thailand

Postby Jester » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:46 am

AmericanInMexico wrote:
This is one of the main reasons why people renounce their U.S. citizenship.

Of course (as you well know I'm sure), smart folks say that one would never want that particular reason to be on the record anywhere.
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 7866
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:10 am
Location: Chiang Mai Thailand

Postby Jester » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:00 am

Renata wrote:Question; What if you're like me, neither an american/ british/aussie citizen but your e-commerce site, domain, server everything is american hosted... what then? does it matter?

Hosting alone won't make your biz into a U.S.-resident under international treaty law (OECD), but active ecommerce hosting just MAY. This is disputed between big countries (US) and little countries of OECD. Three guesses who eventually wins.

If you actually own or lease a server, however, and do e-commerce, and your server is in US, then you are in their jurisdiction by their interpretation. Suggest you make other arrangements. They are only after the big fish right now - online casinos and stuff I think. No need to wait till they extend their net.
"the OECD model convention and commentary do. According to the OECD, a permanent establishment does NOT include an Internet site, ISP hosting, providing a communication link, advertising of goods and services, relaying information through a mirror server, gathering marketing data and supplying information over the Internet. But a permanent establishment does include an unmanned server engaged in e-tailing sales and commerce over the Internet."


Panama works for hosting - low latency time to US customers, plus great Mips..

.BZ website might work at least for b-to-b biz. If so but it from the university in Belize, not from GoDaddy so that your registrar is also non-US. Here's a link:
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 7866
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:10 am
Location: Chiang Mai Thailand

Postby Jester » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:16 am

eurobrat wrote:I know papal will let you collect 20k without filing and tax free. Winston should just get s papal account and have the money dumped in there.

Not sure about this, perhaps it's as you say. But even if PayPal doesn't actually withhold, they will report on a 1099 to the IRS. So Winston will have to declare all income even if he does get to exclude the first 91,500. (PayPal and credit card reporting to IRS is brand new I think).

Also be advised that PayPal does track what ip address you log in from and will want to be kept apprised of travel arrangements - in advance.

US bank account should be fine to link with PayPal from a Taiwanese physical address, though. Or with a Taiwanese account. Either one.

Question for Winston or others:
I'd be interested to know if PayPal actually works for merchant card service in Taiwan, or just for remittances.


There are quite a few countries, like Taiwan/Thailand/Phil's, that don't get listed as getting top-tier service from Paypal for merchant accounts, but I'm not clear what functionality you lose, if any, versus top-tier service countries like China, Japan, Hong Kong.
Elite Upper Class Poster
Posts: 7866
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:10 am
Location: Chiang Mai Thailand

Postby Renata » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:46 am

oh thanks Jester; valuable info there
what would we do without you :wink:
- It's easy to give, when you know what it's like to have nothing. -

- Develop a backbone, not a wishbone. -
Experienced Poster
Posts: 1106
Joined: Sun May 06, 2012 11:14 pm
Location: Ireland


Return to General Discussions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Moretorque and 17 guests