Unapproachable women in America

[shiryu400]

^ Oh, ok Sorry. But anyway, you're the exception, not the rule. I would like to know if maybe you've had a few nice guys that liked you but you just blew them off. After all you do say, that you're only attracted to those that are hard to get. So does that mean that those who were easy to get and came up to you, you ignored?

As far as your advice to get over it and suck it up, you can keep it. Many of us (I know I have) have done exactly this for a long time and try to vent here so that we can indeed "get over it." But really there's no need to "suck it up." We've learned, from sites like this one, the solution to our problems.

I must also add that when it comes to dating advice from women it has NEVER yielded good results for me.

[DarkMinxMish]

^ Oh, ok Sorry. But anyway, you're the exception, not the rule. I would like to know if maybe you've had a few nice guys that liked you but you just blew them off. After all you do say, that you're only attracted to those that are hard to get. So does that mean that those who were easy to get and came up to you, you ignored?

As far as your advice to get over it and suck it up, you can keep it. Many of us (I know I have) have done exactly this for a long time and try to vent here so that we can indeed "get over it." But really there's no need to "suck it up." We've learned, from sites like this one, the solution to our problems.

I must also add that when it comes to dating advice from women it has NEVER yielded good results for me.

Hmm...let me think. I never really had a guy come up to me and formally ever ask me out. It's strange really I wonder if I scare men or maybe I'm too intense or my quietness just scares them. Sometimes I think it might be, because some guys like women who'll take their bull and I'm the sort to be pleasantly, cynically blunt. ^ ^
I don't mind nice guys it's just that guys are nice and cool towards me. It just never goes to the point where I'm considered dating material unless they start talking body parts or they become perv-ish. Plus I'm unnaturally strong for a girl who likes to hug people to the point of suffocation so maybe that's it....

Other then that the only other guy that has asked me out was one who dated both of my sisters at one point. He trying to go through the family and I stopped his ass short. He kept asking why I wouldn't accept his invites and I told him why in the world would I date a guy who both of my sisters crushed on at some point. It was only then he saw it from my point of view...
One time some guy asked me online, but I'm didn't really know him...
I like to feel people out by being friends first. Yeah dating advice is something I'm leery of as well. -__-()

Ok ok I see this is therapy for many of you guys and that's cool. To talk it out and discuss all that drives one to rages is pretty good therapy, because nothing can stay bottled up forever it comes out one way or another.

[shiryu400]

Ultimately, though, as long as AW feel entitled to be the ones that are chased after, pursued and/or wooed, they will continue to be unapproachable.

The worst thing is we enable it. If AW were forced to pursue half as much as men do, they just wouldn't be able to do it. They couldn't handle the embarrassment and the rejection. And I believe that if we collectively held out a bit, they would crack. That's because women need men as much as men need women.

[S_Parc]

The worst thing is we enable it. If AW were forced to pursue half as much as men do, they just wouldn't be able to do it. They couldn't handle the embarrassment and the rejection. And I believe that if we collectively held out a bit, they would crack. That's because women need men as much as men need women.

If it were the year 1985, I might agree with you but a lot has changed, since I was a kid.

One of them is that back then, AWs were 'ok' at making many persons at a party/gathering, feel welcome and a part of the unit. The idea is that the group, as a whole, could socialize harmoniously, despite any hidden rivalries. Yes, competition existed throughout history but folks have been able to socialize throughout it.

Today, it's almost an enforced apartheid where the 'gals' separate into their power sisterhoods, and then, start to talk smack about men, even if guys are in the opposite side of the room or adjacent room. And mind you, this isn't a 'club' environment but a regular social gathering.

Well, now that a full generation has been doing the above ... then, the next step is the expansion of bi-sexuality, outside of Smith & the Seven Sister colleges and into the mainstream. Well, this is the phenomena where a once, hetero woman from upstate Maine, becomes a men-hating Lesbian after 2 years of attending Wellesley College, just outside of Boston. After a while, even if many American men decide to become a happierabroad.com boycotter, these women will pleasure each other with strap-on dildos than pay attention to any guy, because all and all, that would indicate a loss of rule and power. Given that there are sperm banks around, this is a feasible workaround for many women, as they can have platonic gal pals (see 'Sex In The City' cadre), the strap-on lover (see Mellisa Etheridge or Ellen Degeneras), and a child from a male donor.

[Maker55]

The worst thing is we enable it. If AW were forced to pursue half as much as men do, they just wouldn't be able to do it. They couldn't handle the embarrassment and the rejection. And I believe that if we collectively held out a bit, they would crack. That's because women need men as much as men need women.

If it were the year 1985, I might agree with you but a lot has changed, since I was a kid.

One of them is that back then, AWs were 'ok' at making many persons at a party/gathering, feel welcome and a part of the unit. The idea is that the group, as a whole, could socialize harmoniously, despite any hidden rivalries. Yes, competition existed throughout history but folks have been able to socialize throughout it.

Today, it's almost an enforced apartheid where the 'gals' separate into their power sisterhoods, and then, start to talk smack about men, even if guys are in the opposite side of the room or adjacent room. And mind you, this isn't a 'club' environment but a regular social gathering.

Well, now that a full generation has been doing the above ... then, the next step is the expansion of bi-sexuality, outside of Smith & the Seven Sister colleges and into the mainstream. Well, this is the phenomena where a once, hetero woman from upstate Maine, becomes a men-hating Lesbian after 2 years of attending Wellesley College, just outside of Boston. After a while, even if many American men decide to become a happierabroad.com boycotter, these women will pleasure each other with strap-on dildos than pay attention to any guy, because all and all, that would indicate a loss of rule and power. Given that there are sperm banks around, this is a feasible workaround for many women, as they can have platonic gal pals (see 'Sex In The City' cadre), the strap-on lover (see Mellisa Etheridge or Ellen Degeneras), and a child from a male donor.

Man, the expansion of bisexuality has already been going on for years.

It's been going on all over America.

Many guys would be surprised as how many bisexual American women there are.

Female bisexuality will continue to get worse with younger women as the straight older women die out.

[djfourmoney]

I don't care about American Women and you all need to get it out of your head that you need to reason with the people that aren't reasonable and give strange excuses for their behavior.

Sorry but I don't by being able to hug somebody to point of being uncomfortable. The only women that sort of intimate me are very attractive women, but I am getting over that.

I am above "ugly" women because I am not ugly and I can't date ugly. I like beautiful things and we shouldn't be ashamed of it as many would like to believe so you can hook up with some 5'5 215lbs woman who knows she over-eats and chases it down with a Diet Soda.

[shiryu400]

I don't care about American Women and you all need to get it out of your head that you need to reason with the people that aren't reasonable and give strange excuses for their behavior.

Sorry but I don't by being able to hug somebody to point of being uncomfortable. The only women that sort of intimate me are very attractive women, but I am getting over that.

I am above "ugly" women because I am not ugly and I can't date ugly. I like beautiful things and we shouldn't be ashamed of it as many would like to believe so you can hook up with some 5'5 215lbs woman who knows she over-eats and chases it down with a Diet Soda.

I guess that's true. Plus considering what those two guys above said, it looks like it's beyond the point of no return here in the U.S.

[S_Parc]

The worst thing is we enable it. If AW were forced to pursue half as much as men do, they just wouldn't be able to do it. They couldn't handle the embarrassment and the rejection. And I believe that if we collectively held out a bit, they would crack. That's because women need men as much as men need women.

If it were the year 1985, I might agree with you but a lot has changed, since I was a kid.

One of them is that back then, AWs were 'ok' at making many persons at a party/gathering, feel welcome and a part of the unit. The idea is that the group, as a whole, could socialize harmoniously, despite any hidden rivalries. Yes, competition existed throughout history but folks have been able to socialize throughout it.

Today, it's almost an enforced apartheid where the 'gals' separate into their power sisterhoods, and then, start to talk smack about men, even if guys are in the opposite side of the room or adjacent room. And mind you, this isn't a 'club' environment but a regular social gathering.

Well, now that a full generation has been doing the above ... then, the next step is the expansion of bi-sexuality, outside of Smith & the Seven Sister colleges and into the mainstream. Well, this is the phenomena where a once, hetero woman from upstate Maine, becomes a men-hating Lesbian after 2 years of attending Wellesley College, just outside of Boston. After a while, even if many American men decide to become a happierabroad.com boycotter, these women will pleasure each other with strap-on dildos than pay attention to any guy, because all and all, that would indicate a loss of rule and power. Given that there are sperm banks around, this is a feasible workaround for many women, as they can have platonic gal pals (see 'Sex In The City' cadre), the strap-on lover (see Mellisa Etheridge or Ellen Degeneras), and a child from a male donor.

Man, the expansion of bisexuality has already been going on for years.

It's been going on all over America.

Many guys would be surprised as how many bisexual American women there are.

Female bisexuality will continue to get worse with younger women as the straight older women die out.

Yes, the flashpoint (meaning the point where a critical mass is reached prior to mainstream explosion) was some 5-7 years ago. That's in effect, the 25 year demarcation from 1980, so that anyone who was in one's thirties (and dating normally back then) is now on social security. Thus, there's now, not only a standard generational gap but a full cultural gap between the post-war crowd and the post-modern one. Anyone who wasn't alive by the mid-70s has no idea how far American society has fallen.

I'd also become aware of this new society as my Brazilian GF and I were harassed by dykes in Northampton MA (Smith College/Lesbian capital of the northeast) because in effect, we were the hetero outcasts... I was normal, good-looking, & cheery and likewise, her looks/attitude complemented me. I guess outward display of normal heterosexuals getting along is a no no, in a town where the hetero men are suppose to have their faces to the ground and walk a few steps behind their bitchy AW girlfriends. So our presence really inflamed the wackos over there. Since then, I'd never returned to that dank hole, in western Mass.

[shiryu400]

So, what's everyone's opinion on how long the current stuation will last?

I've heard Steve Hoca say that feminazism can be sustained for up to 100 years (not sure if he was exaggerating).

But here's another point of view that the current state of things will begin to change by as early as 2020. Here's a quote from The Misandry Bubble http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/ ... ubble.html :

The title of this article is not the 'Misandry Crisis' or even 'The War on Misandry'. It is 'The Misandry Bubble', because the forces that will ensure the demise of the present mistreatment of men are already on the horizon. So allow me to introduce the Four Horsemen of Male Emancipation as a coalesence of many of the forces we have discussed, which will shred the present, unsustainable hierarchal order by 2020.

I wanna be optimistic and agree with the author of The Misandry Bubble.

[FreeYourMind]

Here's an article that fits in with "The Misandry Bubble"

As Industrialization Devalued Male Labor, Automation will Devalue Female Labor

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/04/07 ... ale-labor/

[S_Parc]

But here's another point of view that the current state of things will begin to change by as early as 2020. Here's a quote from The Misandry Bubble http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/ ... ubble.html :

The title of this article is not the 'Misandry Crisis' or even 'The War on Misandry'. It is 'The Misandry Bubble', because the forces that will ensure the demise of the present mistreatment of men are already on the horizon. So allow me to introduce the Four Horsemen of Male Emancipation as a coalesence of many of the forces we have discussed, which will shred the present, unsustainable hierarchal order by 2020.

I wanna be optimistic and agree with the author of The Misandry Bubble.

In all honesty, I like this guy's perspective and style of writing, however, he's missing a few pieces...

For one, having 'game' or PUA or whatever, is an energy wasting proposition of Kabuki theatre. People actually have work which needs to be done "or dollars which need to be spent"; and today, time & money are limited. Thus, such activities are peripheral add-ons, not much unlike today's Flash Mob, Reality Dance Shows, or Bachelor/Bachelorette vignettes. It's not worthy of being added to a mega-trend study like Femi-Nazism but sure, if it's an interest or hobby of his, he can bring it up as a sideshow. He's trying, however, to espouse it as a mega-trend/life philosophy like Buddhism.

And then, he's also forgotten that bi-sexual and lesbian Femi-Nazis want a male sex robot to help indoctrinate hetero women into staying away from real men via the employment of a real woman & a fake male 'robot' into a menage-a-trios. This is the dream for the Smith College types, as their goal of zero-ing out heterosexuality then becomes a feasible reality. He's also pointing to a few loudmouth, angry, anti-porn protestors. Believe me, I'd seen those same exact Seven Sister college bozos, back when I was a kid, trying to shame magazine stores into not selling Hustler. Well, Larry Flint's still in business today.

The reason why laws on child support/alimony have gotten so draconian is that is helps business, not hurt it, because someone's got to spend money on something. If there were a third gender, on top of being male, Feminists would also try to tax them as well. This is where Feminists are successful, where there's a docile male population and where the rulings don't affect major industries or commercial interests.

But he's right about this ... the tax base will deteriorate, however, what he forgets is that the US has been entering the world of non-tradeable services, starting in the late 80s. Thus, the financialization of our economy has been underway for at least a decade and a half where in effect, the top dogs make their money by owning assets, trading/selling commodities, and the whole global money laundering. Then, add in the automation in IT and soon robotics/AI, the actual contributions of men and women are less important than the fact that they simply add to the churn of the money flow. In that, the economy of 2020 can have fewer participants but overall, have a similar look and feel as today.

My belief is that there's no end to a Misandry bubble per se. It's more that the Misandry will disappear into the undertone of society, where in effect, people become more or less, automatrons in the service of big money. Melissa Etheridge will be the top 'male' and be poking the best looking women w/ a strap-on dildo. Feminism and Lesbianism would have won but at the cost of the future of humanity.

[leavingusa]

It won't last much longer.

The dollar is circling the drain with Iran selling oil in gold and the Brics nations setting up their own banking system/reserve currency. That's why we went to war with Gadaffi and Hussein to keep them from trading in Euros/Gold and cutting us out. The problem is we're running out of easy targets and more nations getting in on the action, we can't fight the whole world.

Basically the rebellion against the dollar is reaching critical mass and even Bernanke is sounding the alarm that the final collapse is near. When that happens, all the bullshit government handouts and departments that employ the women go belly up real quick.

Bernanke to Congress: We're Much Closer to Total Destruction Than You Think
ht tp://www.cnbc.com/id/41491193/

I'd say after the election we're all in a world of shit, feminism and getting a girlfriend will be the least of your worries. If you're a man with a weapon and supplies I don't think you'll have much trouble finding a girlfriend as that would pretty much be her only means of survival.

The reason men have low status in society is because they are not needed in their traditional roles as provider and protector but that will change as our situation starts to mirror that of third world countries and even outbreaks of civil/race wars.

Can't say I'm looking forward to that and wouldn't take on another mouth to feed even if it was giving me a blowjob.

If you're going overseas better find a strong currency and change out of dollars or find yourself broke in a foreign land.

[leavingusa]

Things are already starting to change if you read between the lines.

Of course women are attention whoring all over facebook and f***ing alphas like rabbits but the one thing you'll notice if you look around are a lot of women who are being strung along for sex. I'm seeing more single moms seeking help on backpage with the bills in exchange for sex.

Marriage rates are way down and some men are ignoring women completely, the younger generation of guys seems very aware.

I know women at work are looking for husbands unsuccessfully, they can get boyfriends or sex easily so they are very choosy but they can't get the fat wallet and commitment.

[ExpeditionSailor]

Things are already starting to change if you read between the lines.

Of course women are attention whoring all over facebook and f***ing alphas like rabbits but the one thing you'll notice if you look around are a lot of women who are being strung along for sex. I'm seeing more single moms seeking help on backpage with the bills in exchange for sex.

Marriage rates are way down and some men are ignoring women completely, the younger generation of guys seems very aware.

I know women at work are looking for husbands unsuccessfully, they can get boyfriends or sex easily so they are very choosy but they can't get the fat wallet and commitment.

Oh, dear. And what will these women do if men wise up enough to start depriving them of sex and BF-type relationships?? I can very easily see that coming to pass. Women had better start being careful. Their window
of non-accountability for their bad behaviour is closing, and it's closing quickly. Nature abhors a vacuum, and alla that good stuff.

[shiryu400]

I'm beginning to think that male-female relations in the US are completely screwed up and beyond the point of no return. It will be up to future generations to fix it. The trouble is that if we're not teaching our sons how to be real men, then things will not change, at least not any time soon. Society has to change as a whole. First of all, I believe that women's bad behavior definitely has to be mitigated for things to run smoothly in society.

Briffault's law is important to understand. It's already been posted here before:
viewtopic.php?t=13264&view=previous

Pretty much it states: "The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place."

I take it to mean that we have to mitigate women's hypergamous nature/behavior. On another thread about "the real enemy," it was discussed that manginas, white knights and the law are to blame for much of the problem. But I think if most men were tough and didn't take women's bullshit (i.e. the opposite of manginas and white knights) we wouldn't be in this situation. I know that women nowdays seem like they dont' actually need men, what with lesbians and bisexuals, but I do wonder, if at the end of the day they can really live without men. I'll use an anecdote as an example: I've tried to get AW to pay attention to me in the past and they have ignored me then I tried to ignore them back and it wouldn't have any effect! But then I observed that they got so much attention from other guys that loss of a single guy's attention means nothing. It's not that she didn't men's attention, they just didn't need MY attention.

So I guess I'd like to figure out if women don't need men as much as we need them or more. I think they do.