Why I Respect PUA

[OutWest]

I grew tired of my room and curious of the world. So I went out and saw it. Upon seeing it, I ceased it. I gained experience and figured out a thing or two. Positive social interaction and relationship(s) helped build my confidence. I stopped caring about the perceptions of others and began to focus on what I myself truly want, not on what others want.

What I want is a more traditional life. One fine loyal lady in my life gives me all the fulfillment I desire both physically as well as emotionally. I don't need to bang a different chick every night in meaningless shallow encounters just to feel better about myself. I don't need to damage my eardrums and my liver in parties with too much booze and too loud music. I've been there, done that. In my teens it had appeal but it has since lost it's appeal. I realized what I want most in life is to create something, to build something. A stable and lasting relationship, a large and growing family. And someone to grow old with.

Looks fade. Personalities persevere. When I am old I don't want to have a list of conquests and some sexy memories being the only legacy I leave to this world upon my departure from it. Instead I want to be surrounded by people I love and with whom I have meaningful, personal and warm relationships. Instead of desiring a shallow and materialistic life like the ones my peers live, I wish to live a life more along the lines of the one my grandparents lived. Love, stability, family, morals. And plenty of fun on the side!

I know want is something the PUA lifestyle cannot offer me. They can have their whores and their bragging, their tall tales and STDs. I have no use for them. I found what I wanted abroad, and that's where my future is.

And this, guys, is how we Europeans do it.

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Why is it so f-ing hard for so many American men to imagine what life would be like as an adult?

[zboy1]

I think PUA's are necessary in the Anglo World, but not outside of it.

I respect PUA's, but not when their overseas in Latin America, Asia or Eastern Europe, because they make it harder for non-mongers to find good women in those places.

I think RooshV is a hero to the Men's movement, but I don't respect him--or his legions of mongers--ruining-it for good men in this world.

[Grunt]

OK here is my "PUA" game in Ukraine.

"Hello pretty lady, would you like to have lunch?" - Grunt

"Yes, I would love to!" - Pretty Lady

The End.

P.S. Only idiots need make a science of simplicity.

[publicduende]

I think PUA's are necessary in the Anglo World, but not outside of it.

I respect PUA's, but not when their overseas in Latin America, Asia or Eastern Europe, because they make it harder for non-mongers to find good women in those places.

I think RooshV is a hero to the Men's movement, but I don't respect him--or his legions of mongers--ruining-it for good men in this world.

Roosh is a douche, and never an assonance was a better fit. If he really wanted to help "the Men's movement", he could have been studying law and campaigning against unfair treatment of men in divorce court, or family court. Or any court.

PUA is one of the biggest, most toxic flavours of the self-help movement. At least most self-help material preaches to find harmony between the self and the people around you. Doosh's flavour of PUA/masculinity shit is just there to stir up controversy and add petrol into the fire of unnecessary gender wars. It is basically predicated on the idea that all young women are corrupted and men should only cultivate the most shallow and superficial kinds of relationships with them.

Too bad 99.99% of said young men will never be able to successfully apply those teachings because they'll still be lacking confidence, personality, their personality. And when rejection happens, what's left of the PUA nectar is just the sexist, racist and bitter dregs.

I think young Marcos here has it nailed. Only teenagers and immature people (like the PUAs and their crew) look at sex as an achievement per se. Everybody else matures when they start looking at sex as a tool to explore feelings, emotions, and possibly understanding what kind of loving relationship they wish for themselves. The sex becomes another dialect of the language of love.

Yes, love. Why is the "L" word so underrated in places like these?

[abcdavid01]

For the record, I've never looked at sex as an achievement. If I did, I wouldn't have turned down all those girls in college, including the one who was literally climbing on top of me. But going back to college just showed me that a lot of what's written about game is true. I don't know about what people write (even trip reports here can be lies), but I believe what I've seen with my eyes.

[publicduende]

For the record, I've never looked at sex as an achievement. If I did, I wouldn't have turned down all those girls in college, including the one who was literally climbing on top of me. But going back to college just showed me that a lot of what's written about game is true. I don't know about what people write (even trip reports here can be lies), but I believe what I've seen with my eyes.

LOL seriously? I remember you saying you never had much interaction with girls during your high school and college. Well, if that's the truth, maybe you should have just picked up the call of Nature and used that chance to know more about the female universe

[abcdavid01]

For the record, I've never looked at sex as an achievement. If I did, I wouldn't have turned down all those girls in college, including the one who was literally climbing on top of me. But going back to college just showed me that a lot of what's written about game is true. I don't know about what people write (even trip reports here can be lies), but I believe what I've seen with my eyes.

LOL seriously? I remember you saying you never had much interaction with girls during your high school and college. Well, if that's the truth, maybe you should have just picked up the call of Nature and used that chance to know more about the female universe

I didn't think I much had to. I don't have a lot of dating experience, but I've picked things up through osmosis. Almost like second hand smoke. Like naturalism maybe, I can figure out mating habits with my binoculars, but I don't have to actually pretend to be a monkey or wolf or whatever. I was more mature than my last girlfriend a few years ago just from second hand knowledge I picked up. Even though I don't have a lot of personal knowledge, it feels like I do because I've spent so long watching. But I've given up dating here and commit further to Happier Abroad. I joined this site one and a half years ago, but I'm only going to Shanghai now. So I think Tsar will make it too, but it just takes time.

[publicduende]

For the record, I've never looked at sex as an achievement. If I did, I wouldn't have turned down all those girls in college, including the one who was literally climbing on top of me. But going back to college just showed me that a lot of what's written about game is true. I don't know about what people write (even trip reports here can be lies), but I believe what I've seen with my eyes.

LOL seriously? I remember you saying you never had much interaction with girls during your high school and college. Well, if that's the truth, maybe you should have just picked up the call of Nature and used that chance to know more about the female universe

I didn't think I much had to. I don't have a lot of dating experience, but I've picked things up through osmosis. Almost like second hand smoke. Like naturalism maybe, I can figure out mating habits with my binoculars, but I don't have to actually pretend to be a monkey or wolf or whatever. I was more mature than my last girlfriend a few years ago just from second hand knowledge I picked up. Even though I don't have a lot of personal knowledge, it feels like I do because I've spent so long watching. But I've given up dating here and commit further to Happier Abroad. I joined this site one and a half years ago, but I'm only going to Shanghai now. So I think Tsar will make it too, but it just takes time.

I think I have lost you here. We're not animals, you know. The best way to know about somebody is to approach them and interact with them, for months or even years. And even then you won't be sure who exactly you have in front of you at a dinner table, or on top of you in bed. I am happy you're planning to go to Shanghai. It would help you to know what exactly you're expecting from it.

[PeterAndrewNolan]

LOL! Great story...and that is justice.

A couple of years back a girlfriend who dumped me when I was 18 contacted me. I really liked her. We had met when I was 14 and she was 12. We were on holiday in a carvan park. She took a shine to me and we were friends. We corresponded occasionally while I was at school. When I moved to Wollongong we decided to meet up. She lived in Penrith which is only an hours drive from wollongong.

Anyway, she was 16 and I was 18 and we were going along very well. One day she just calls me up and tells me she wants to break up....so I say that I will not be broken up with over the phone and ask if I can come up and see her. I expect to be told face to face if someone is going to dump me. She says that is fair enough. And she dumped me when I went to see her. I said goodbye to her parents who were really nice people.

I only found out later she dumped me for a jock.

Anyway.....that was in 1982. Fast forward 30 years to 2011. She googles my name, finds www.peternolan.com and reads my resume. Of course I have worked in more than 200 companies across 20 countries. I have traveled all over the world for work except south america.

She writes to me about how unhappy she is. She married the jock and he went in to the armed services. She tells me "I gave up my career in the dress shop at the local mall to follow my husband" like selling dresses in a mall is a "career"!LOL!

Of course, being in the armed services she got posted to some really bad places. They have two boys 18 and 16 and a little girl 3. So you know she had the little girl deliberately to keep the guy on the hook.

She starts talking about how exciting my life must be from my resume...And I tell her that I have lived a wonderful life....I tell her it could have been her life because I really did want us to get along and I had big hopes for the two of us. I told her that since we knew each other so well as kids and knew each others parents and family so well I really thought that we had a very good chance of going forward. I told her I was really shattered when she dumped me out of the blue.

She then tells me how the jock was showing her attention and she decided that she wanted him over me......and then she says "I always wondered what might have been between us". I point out that my parents live in the same house as 30 years ago and she has their number and she never once called to inquire after me so she could not have wondered too much.

She keeps on hinting that things are not good at home....she is looking to pin the 3 year old on some loser beta who would be stupid enough to pay for her and her kid. I finally decide to tell her "Look, you are too old for me now, I only date women under the age of 35"....It was beautiful! LOL!!

She then replies that she feels she should stop talking to me because she wouldn't like her husband to feel like she was talking to her old boyfriend she dumped to go with him.....and I never heard from her again....

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

ALL the women who rejected me or dumped me expressed regret at a later time.

EVERY...SINGLE...ONE.

[abcdavid01]

For the record, I've never looked at sex as an achievement. If I did, I wouldn't have turned down all those girls in college, including the one who was literally climbing on top of me. But going back to college just showed me that a lot of what's written about game is true. I don't know about what people write (even trip reports here can be lies), but I believe what I've seen with my eyes.

LOL seriously? I remember you saying you never had much interaction with girls during your high school and college. Well, if that's the truth, maybe you should have just picked up the call of Nature and used that chance to know more about the female universe

I didn't think I much had to. I don't have a lot of dating experience, but I've picked things up through osmosis. Almost like second hand smoke. Like naturalism maybe, I can figure out mating habits with my binoculars, but I don't have to actually pretend to be a monkey or wolf or whatever. I was more mature than my last girlfriend a few years ago just from second hand knowledge I picked up. Even though I don't have a lot of personal knowledge, it feels like I do because I've spent so long watching. But I've given up dating here and commit further to Happier Abroad. I joined this site one and a half years ago, but I'm only going to Shanghai now. So I think Tsar will make it too, but it just takes time.

I think I have lost you here. We're not animals, you know. The best way to know about somebody is to approach them and interact with them, for months or even years. And even then you won't be sure who exactly you have in front of you at a dinner table, or on top of you in bed. I am happy you're planning to go to Shanghai. It would help you to know what exactly you're expecting from it.

Oh, well of course, I just meant enough not to be an incel. At the surface level girls can be very predictable. That's been my experience anyway. I didn't mean getting to know people on a personal level. In fact, having a close friendship with this girl for a long time taught me a lot about dating without actually going on dates. That's what I meant.

Nice job Peter.

[Jester]

Duende, I see your point, but on this webpage alone I see four banner ads and one text link ad. On the ROK homepage there's a single banner ad. I've never seen a ROK article end with "join our seminar.

ROK makes around $1000 a month (if not more) just to display that single banner, as Roosh is using a direct monthly sponsorship kind of plan. None of the ads on HA are advertising and/or selling products and services from Winston or members of HA. Roosh and most of his bloggers are showcasing their wisdom on RoK and have (or at least try to have) their game/life coaching or pimping businesses on the side.

You clearly see PUAs and their acolytes as champions of a "sweet revenge" kind of dating approach. Masters of the pumping & dumping who will "teach those mindless sluts, yeah". This might have some sense if those people were actually doing what they preach and write about. Reality is, they're just a bunch of poseurs who make up stories to share and reinforce their philosophy, whether that's aimed at monetising immediately or creating a reputation aura and monetise later. It's pathetic wishful thinking and fictional storytelling at its worst.

Too sad you can't see it. Since most of these communities exist to primarily groom their egos and sell their products/services, these bullcrap braggadocio lifestyle stories are never called out for what they are. Everybody's in the game, and everybody is guilty, so nobody will stand up and shout that yes, the king wear no clothes. After all, isn't so much of the narrative going on in America right now, from the healthy economy to the shale oil boom, based on this mix of wishful thinking and normalcy bias? Hear and see what you want to hear and see, and discard the rest.

I don't care for their bragging, their fecklessness or for the sluts they bed.

But I don't know why you are so sure that they are lying.

I know a guy who beds women all the time, gets laid before spending money, has multiple girls who want him, etc. He dates from mid thirties to mid fifties usually. He gets tired of every woman, has to get someone new, it's kind of a complulsion I guess. He isn't hurting innocent girls, and he tells no lies.

He doesn't brag, or sell anything.

And this guy is 56 years old, has a non-glamorous business and lots of free time. He is friendly, smart and multicultural, which all helps. But he ain't young, and he can't dance.

So if he can do it, I guess the guys traveling the world and bragging on the Roosh Forum, guys who lift weights, dress sharp, spend money in clubs etc., can probably do it too. I don't know why you would doubt them. Yeah a few smell like liars, bu I've seen that here too once o twice.

Mostly these PUA types are getting the same skanky club girls, but not always. Roosh, for example, chronicles some pretty cruel, heartless stuff. Seduction and abandonment of the innocent is pretty damn distasteful to many of us. But it does happen, when circumstances permit, and when guards are down. So yeah, God apparently didn't make girls to be as tough-minded and suspicious as a protective dad would be.

Do we want women to get used? Not generally, if they are decent people. But does that make the PUA's liars? Not IMO.

[Jester]

.....I realized what I want most in life is to create something, to build something. A stable and lasting relationship, a large and growing family. And someone to grow old with.

Looks fade. Personalities persevere. When I am old I don't want to have a list of conquests and some sexy memories being the only legacy I leave to this world upon my departure from it. Instead I want to be surrounded by people I love and with whom I have meaningful, personal and warm relationships. Instead of desiring a shallow and materialistic life like the ones my peers live, I wish to live a life more along the lines of the one my grandparents lived. .....

And this, guys, is how we Europeans do it.

{slaps forehead, groans}

[Jester]

Wilt Chamberlain slept with thousands of women

Can't let that one go by. He claimed 20,000. Definitely a tenfold exaggeration at least. Just based on time required.

Obvious lie, gets repeated with eyes agog.

[S_Parc]

For the record, I've never looked at sex as an achievement. If I did, I wouldn't have turned down all those girls in college, including the one who was literally climbing on top of me.

You turned down a girl who literally climbed on top of you? Wow. Just, wow. I don't think a lot of men have such restraint. Hell, even if I did I'd slap myself in the face the next day. What made you decline the opportunity of sex, when it was literally thrown in your lap? That seems kinda off to me mate. No offense of course, I am just curious and quite amazed haha.

Well, some time ago, I had a hot British blonde bombshell with huge knockers do the same thing to me in the US. The only reason why I'd turned her away was that she wanted to go at it, without a condom. And sure, it took a lot of internal discipline but I realized that since she was on a student visa to the States, that risking a pregnancy was the worst thing I could do. In that regard, I'm very careful.

[S_Parc]

Wilt Chamberlain slept with thousands of women

Can't let that one go by. He claimed 20,000. Definitely a tenfold exaggeration at least. Just based on time required.

Obvious lie, gets repeated with eyes agog.

That would leave him with practically no time to actually play b-ball.