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Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with porn use

Postby publicduende » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:37 pm

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shock-study-men-choosing-porn-over-marriage-threatening-economy-society/article/2557461

Nothing we didn't know, really.

Pornography is replacing the desire among young men for marriage, according to a new study that finds males are chasing “low-cost sexual gratification” on the web over a wife and family.

“Traditionally, one of the reasons to enter into a marriage was sexual gratification. But as options for sexual gratification outside of marriage have grown, the need for a marriage to serve this function is diminishing,” said the report.

The report published by Germany’s Institute for the Study of Labor and co-authored by a West Chester University of Pennsylvania professor suggested that the government crack down on porn access, especially as more and easier tools to tap into the Internet, such as smartphones, expand. Saving marriage, said the report, will help the economy and society.

The study is being highlighted by the group Morality in Media, which sent it to Secrets Tuesday. “Pornography is a marriage killer and thus it has monumental negative ramifications for society’s future,” said Patrick A. Trueman, president of the group. “Research has shown for some time that porn use in marriage destroys the marital bond, but now we can see that porn use destroys even the desire to get married,” he added.

As an aside, the study found that those who look at religious websites are pro-marriage.

Researchers analyzed data from 1,512 surveys completed by American men aged 18-35 between 2000-2004. What they found is that porn use makes marriage unappealing. The study is titled: “Are Pornography and Marriage Substitutes for Young Men?”

The researchers were interested in how declining marriage rates impact society and the economy. They said that “stable marriages create substantial welfare improvements for society, especially to the degree that marital stability produces high-quality children.”

Porn use, they said, can be credited with cutting the marriage rate. They cited statistics showing that men 25-34 are six times less likely to be married than the same age group was in 1970. They also found that divorce rates are twice what they were in 1950.

“Given the rapid decline in marital formation and stability in western countries, a natural question is how quickly this trend will proliferate in developing countries as their standards of living rise. Nowadays, widely available Internet access almost always accompanies rising living standards. Thus, the results in this paper suggest that technological proliferation and access to pornography specifically can be a causative factor that underlies these rapid demographic changes that occur concurrent to economic growth,” said the report.
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby S_Parc » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:54 pm

Perhaps we need two studies, one is the growing complete lameness of relationships in America today. That's a chart, starting in let's say 1965, ending at 2015, showing a polynomial ascending curve with an inflection point at 1989, where it almost takes off like a rocket.

Thus, the free content p@rn/internet thing is only from 2000 and onwards (as p@rn used to cost money and sites like redtube didn't exist, plus high speed streaming was costly), and thus, without a 2nd inflection point in the 2000s, there's no correlation between added p@rn viewing and diminishing marriages.

I think if relationships grow lame, interest in marriage wanes. If I were to do it again, would I have contemplated marriage with any of my former AW GFs (or even their catty acquaintances)? Nope.
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby S_Parc » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:18 pm

I want to paste my Columbia University remarks to this thread because I believe CU represents the high water mark of lame women and relationships ...

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=25650

S_Parc wrote:There are actually two female student bodies, the first is from Columbia itself and the 2nd, from Barnard College, a seven sister college, co-located around Broadway. That's a red flag in itself. Since there's full cross registration of courses (as well as integrated residential options), together, they make the female to male ratio nearly 2:1 among undergrads. In reality, however, it's one of the worst schools for dating and has the phrase, *stuck up rotten feminist b*tches*, written all over it. In my brief life, I'd never seen a school with such an enviable female/male ratio produce so many miserable guys.

So far, of all my acquaintances, friends, and colleagues who'd been there, none were able to sustain a GF there for more than a few weeks (or mos) w/o giving up on her. Everyone of them had to get GFs from other places like City College, Hunter, NYU, SUNY, Yale, or UConn to be able to one, have a relationship and two, to stay sane. I remember one jubilant attendant from the Boston area, all excited about the female/male ratio until his sophomore year, when he was always going downtown to NYU's campus parties to meet women.


Ok, some guy's wife did a part-time degree at Columbia. He just texted me, All right, so I found a so-called reasonable test subject, but I'll say that she's a commuter, meaning that she's not a part of that f'ed up campus world, where women are psychotic and delusional, sitting around navel gazing at their collective oppression. She took the train into the school, living off campus with her hubby.

So Columbia's lame relationship threshold went critical, long before the rest of the nation. Thus, I'd say by 1989, it was the equivalent lameness of 2025 for the rest of the country. Yes, we're still a decade away from Armageddon. Thus, no guy, (yes, including sporty types, not just premeds) can't stand to be around a Columbia gal for too long. I only knew one female freshman [ worked at a photo store, next to my town during HS ] and she'd married her first BF there, upon graduation. She was the exception to the rule, as none of her friends had BFs by graduation. The guys who were dating, found women at other colleges.
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby Jester » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:15 pm

Funny that SParc mentions Columbia

Princeton in the late seventies was also bizarre. Really similar to what young men report about society in general now. Entering freshman cuties got way too much attantion from a hugely male student body... then became stuck up rapidly... then by the time they were seniors, all the guys they had snubbed earlier no longer wanted them, and they went dateless... a minicosm of society.

But my guess is that Columbia was farther down the trail, since Princeton had more Southerners, more conservatives, and fewer Jews.
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby S_Parc » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:54 pm

Jester wrote:Funny that SParc mentions Columbia

Princeton in the late seventies was also bizarre. Really similar to what young men report about society in general now. Entering freshman cuties got way too much attantion from a hugely male student body... then became stuck up rapidly... then by the time they were seniors, all the guys they had snubbed earlier no longer wanted them, and they went dateless... a minicosm of society.

But my guess is that Columbia was farther down the trail, since Princeton had more Southerners, more conservatives, and fewer Jews.


Jester, I'd almost dated two P'ton gals, one was a FW, the other American, but both moved out of my region before things could happen.

There's no comparison to that mental hospital on the Upper West Side. P'ton is almost a regular school, akin to a Vanderbilt, Duke, or Emory but with better students on the whole.

In contrast, a lot of guys don't even want to be friends with their Columbia female co-eds, over the passage of time. The worst parties I'd ever attended were at Morningside Heights. The guys were generally ok, no different than anywhere else, but the women were these depressed weirdos and some were just plain strange. One gal, pretending to be interested, told me that I looked like one of her professors and then wondered if her prof would ever take advantage of her. My response was a 'I hope not' and I quickly vacated that gathering. She was in an active fantasy, while talking to a stranger. Her eyes are glazed over and she was flighty, light headed. The others weren't all that different and were also spouting off, without actively engaging someone in a dialogue. That's a mental asylum, not a school. I don't think drugs are enough to create that effect w/o the patients being f'ked up, ahead of time.

In time, I'd asked my Columbia buddies to meet up, off campus. Believe me, it was a relief to share a Margarita pitcher with co-eds at Hunter, City, and NYU. Wow, talk about night and day. So while many of those gals were not GF material, at least they knew how to behave in public.

I believe that Columbia's & Barnard's joint undergrad env, since the graduate students are separated from that crowd, is our collective future. In ten years, we'll be talking to machines, not human beings. Columbia just beat America by a generation or two.
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby S_Parc » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:26 pm

BTW, as for those graduate courses I'd taken at Columbia ... I'll be transferring them to another school to complete a masters.

I have no interest in becoming a disgruntled future alum, given the fact that I'd have to avoid half the alumni at the corporate shindigs for their outreach groups.
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby MrMan » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:14 am

Married to their own hand.

It's really sad. I saw on YouTube how that in Japan lots of people don't marry and they have computerized little toys with an electronic girlfriend in it to talk to them, girls who will let you just hold them and pretend to date them for money at this special kind of house (no sex involved), and that professional women will go to expensive clubs who provide a man to act as a kind of date for them while they serve them drinks and run up the bill. I hear porn is all over the place in Japan, too.

I read an idea on how the US could outlaw porn, just pass a law that anyone who sends porn that goes through a government server to get to the other end has to pay a multi-million dollar fine, and give part of the fine as a fee to whoever can track the movement of the digital information to prove that it went through a government server. This wouldn't be a freedom of expression issue. It would be a misuse of government property issue. This might dry up the black hole of the online porn industry. Also, clearly outlawing those who film sex and pay actors for it for prostitution would clean a lot of the new stuff up.
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby Cornfed » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:23 am

This seems more like a case of correlation than causation.
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby Teal Lantern » Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:53 pm

Imagine a study claiming photos and websites dedicated to cars were lowering sales of actual, drivable cars. :wink:
Would anyone other than religious nuts and low quality automakers see banning images, levying fines, and other nonsense as solutions preferable to improving car quality?
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby Ghost » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:27 pm

Teal Lantern wrote:Imagine a study claiming photos and websites dedicated to cars were lowering sales of actual, drivable cars. :wink:
Would anyone other than religious nuts and low quality automakers see banning images, levying fines, and other nonsense as solutions preferable to improving car quality?


I've made similar arguments to feminists/liberals before.

The typical exchange is something like:

"But a woman isn't a car! That is very offensive."

"Obviously, it's a metaphor."

"But it's offensive."

Ah, logic. How liberals hate it so.
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby S_Parc » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:38 pm

I disagree with the premise of these correlation studies because I don't believe that sex is the primary purpose of marriage. I believe that marriage is for companionship and plausibly, starting a family, if the situation suits it.

During the rise and peak of the Roman Empire, patricians had proper wives and kids, but also, indulged their fantasies with mistresses and so-forth. This is not the reason why the Empire had collapsed, contrary to the opponents of the 'Roman Orgy'.

It collapsed gradually, because the govt outsourced the defense of the perimeters, to barbarian mercenaries, which divided the power structures between the central govt and the sort of "law of Viking types", in the countryside. Eventually, new nations would emerge outside of the Italian peninsula. For centuries before then, the Roman Republic and it burgeoning Empire were solid as a result of their consolidated power base.

So my "Columbia University" theory is about the notion that as time went by in America, accelerating after 1989, women became lame partners and thus, the primary reason for marriage went into degradation. I mean why would a guy want to have a lame roommate, for the rest of his life? The p@rn then, just filled in the gap of time. Eventually, guys got used to jerking off, without hearing a barrage of complaints all day from the Misses. I know of guys, in their 40s/50s, who lived with male roommates, after their respective divorces. Does anyone remember the old TV show in syndication, 'The Odd Couple'? It's basically about two guys, who moved in together, because their wives dumped 'em and they found it easier to deal with each other (despite one being a neat freak) than in having women in their lives. If 'The Odd Couple' was remade for the 21st century, both characters would have their own RealDoll in their respective bedrooms and would probably have a great life, just watching Monday Night football with each other. The *neat freak* thing was just a way for the writers to add drama. In reality, it would work out fine.
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby Teal Lantern » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:55 am

S_Parc wrote:I disagree with the premise of these correlation studies because I don't believe that sex is the primary purpose of marriage. I believe that marriage is for companionship and plausibly, starting a family, if the situation suits it.


They know. They're just being misleading.
The researchers were interested in how declining marriage rates impact society and the economy. They said that “stable marriages create substantial welfare improvements for society, especially to the degree that marital stability produces high-quality children.”

Notice the "threat" is to the (impersonal) economy and society. Fewer future quality worker drones, tax payers, and cannon fodder.
Fewer men currently working themselves into an early grave to pay for all that goes into courting and marriage, and paying wifey's expenses.

Responsible men will work incredibly hard to secure a future for their children in a society they believe they have a stake in.
He will build, invent, go fight crime, fires, or wars; his creativity can move those around him into higher tax brackets.
Take away belief in that stake (intact family) and that same man may decide to live a much easier, healthier life on 1/3rd the effort and 1/10th the risk.
BDG is busily adjusting the tax code to compensate.

If they believe pr0n is so harmful, where is the "Don't Be That Girl" campaign discouraging women from participating in it?
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby jamesbond » Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:08 am

Teal Lantern wrote:Imagine a study claiming photos and websites dedicated to cars were lowering sales of actual, drivable cars. :wink:
Would anyone other than religious nuts and low quality automakers see banning images, levying fines, and other nonsense as solutions preferable to improving car quality?

Exactly, it's religious fanatics that want porn and even risqué photos banned. If they had their way, they would ban porn and magazines with any nudity in them. They would also ban porn and nude photos on the internet.

These people scare the hell out of me, I hope they never get into positions of power! :shock:
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Re: Shock Study: Marriage rate declines with p**n use

Postby jamesbond » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:07 pm

Good video from RamzPaul talking about this study.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFLEvpW8xUM[/youtube]
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