The reasons why I hate Conservative people just as much as I hate the Leftlist

[WanderingProtagonist]

Conservatives love to preach about being religious, and they like to also talk about how they are against homosexuality, etc. Yet you have some conservatives who openly support a lot of that shit that other Conservatives claim to be against. Like this guy here that said

Robert Zuccaro
2 days ago
Reply to Paul Carter
I consider the true conservertaive Republican a BIG TENT with ALL WELCOME… if you don’t I’m sorry but even so you too are welcome. I am a firm believer in a “content of their character” policy! I was even mad at how CPAC last year made a porn actress in attendance leave. We need ALL VOICES not just ones eligible for canonization!
https://amac.us/tammy-bruce-speaks-out- ... l-threats/

Basically Conservatives will even side with the filthy people on the Left if those leftlist start criticizing and judging their own. I've even seen some transgender people claiming to be conservative. Fact of the matter is I tried to explain to my mother that Conservatives are a bunch of desperate weak fake ass people that support a lot of the same shit the leftlist support. Especially the ones who fear the left will openly accept them and their views. Then they'll try to tell people "don't vote blue if you move to my state." I've always hated Conservatives because of how fake they are with their views and beliefs. They aren't as TRUE as they believe they are because they openly accept a lot of the things the leftlist support. Nobody in my family fears the left, and they would never support them no matter what they say about their own party. They are only doing this now because they are all scared, so now they want to pretend they are against the Democratic agenda.

That's why I tell a lot of people I know, don't identify as either side, Left or the right because they both suck. Conservatives are the reason why gays can get married in churches, they are the reason why kids are preyed upon by the LBTGQ community. And they will back stab their own to avoid being labeled a "phobe" or a "bigot." They like to fornicate with religion but don't take it seriously since they want leftlist to know they are "tolerant" because getting called a phobe or a bigot proves they are just as fragile and weak as the leftlist they accuse of being weak and fragile.

Conservatives today are so desperate they have to side with Democrats that speak out against their own kind when it's just democrats being scared that they are losing power because of the BS they've been doing so now they are turning on their own and Conservatives see them as allies even if they identify as being Gay, trans, or whatever. As long as they talk shit about their own party, Conservatives will accept them as one their own that's how fake a lot of them are and why I would never consider them different from the Leftlist other than the fact, when Leftlist make demands and those demands aren't met. They will incite actual violence because they will be able to get away with it. Conservatives would be imprisoned and jailed if they threaten a federal judge but the left did exactly that over their "right" to kill babies and none of them were jailed for it.

[OutcastedPhilosopher]

Conservatives love to preach about being religious, and they like to also talk about how they are against homosexuality, etc. Yet you have some conservatives who openly support a lot of that shit that other Conservatives claim to be against. Like this guy here that said

Robert Zuccaro
2 days ago
Reply to Paul Carter
I consider the true conservertaive Republican a BIG TENT with ALL WELCOME… if you don’t I’m sorry but even so you too are welcome. I am a firm believer in a “content of their character” policy! I was even mad at how CPAC last year made a porn actress in attendance leave. We need ALL VOICES not just ones eligible for canonization!
https://amac.us/tammy-bruce-speaks-out- ... l-threats/

Basically Conservatives will even side with the filthy people on the Left if those leftlist start criticizing and judging their own. I've even seen some transgender people claiming to be conservative. Fact of the matter is I tried to explain to my mother that Conservatives are a bunch of desperate weak fake ass people that support a lot of the same shit the leftlist support. Especially the ones who fear the left will openly accept them and their views. Then they'll try to tell people "don't vote blue if you move to my state." I've always hated Conservatives because of how fake they are with their views and beliefs. They aren't as TRUE as they believe they are because they openly accept a lot of the things the leftlist support. Nobody in my family fears the left, and they would never support them no matter what they say about their own party. They are only doing this now because they are all scared, so now they want to pretend they are against the Democratic agenda.

That's why I tell a lot of people I know, don't identify as either side, Left or the right because they both suck. Conservatives are the reason why gays can get married in churches, they are the reason why kids are preyed upon by the LBTGQ community. And they will back stab their own to avoid being labeled a "phobe" or a "bigot." They like to fornicate with religion but don't take it seriously since they want leftlist to know they are "tolerant" because getting called a phobe or a bigot proves they are just as fragile and weak as the leftlist they accuse of being weak and fragile.

Conservatives today are so desperate they have to side with Democrats that speak out against their own kind when it's just democrats being scared that they are losing power because of the BS they've been doing so now they are turning on their own and Conservatives see them as allies even if they identify as being Gay, trans, or whatever. As long as they talk shit about their own party, Conservatives will accept them as one their own that's how fake a lot of them are and why I would never consider them different from the Leftlist other than the fact, when Leftlist make demands and those demands aren't met. They will incite actual violence because they will be able to get away with it. Conservatives would be imprisoned and jailed if they threaten a federal judge but the left did exactly that over their "right" to kill babies and none of them were jailed for it.

The perfect example is Jerry Falwell who was the President at Liberty University, he is a literal cuckold who was letting his wife have sex with younger men right in front of him and even let his wife have oral sex with one of their sons friends....LOL.....I remember seeing the story and laughing my ass off.....these people are incredibly fake and weak.

[WanderingProtagonist]

Conservatives love to preach about being religious, and they like to also talk about how they are against homosexuality, etc. Yet you have some conservatives who openly support a lot of that shit that other Conservatives claim to be against. Like this guy here that said

Robert Zuccaro
2 days ago
Reply to Paul Carter
I consider the true conservertaive Republican a BIG TENT with ALL WELCOME… if you don’t I’m sorry but even so you too are welcome. I am a firm believer in a “content of their character” policy! I was even mad at how CPAC last year made a porn actress in attendance leave. We need ALL VOICES not just ones eligible for canonization!
https://amac.us/tammy-bruce-speaks-out- ... l-threats/

Basically Conservatives will even side with the filthy people on the Left if those leftlist start criticizing and judging their own. I've even seen some transgender people claiming to be conservative. Fact of the matter is I tried to explain to my mother that Conservatives are a bunch of desperate weak fake ass people that support a lot of the same shit the leftlist support. Especially the ones who fear the left will openly accept them and their views. Then they'll try to tell people "don't vote blue if you move to my state." I've always hated Conservatives because of how fake they are with their views and beliefs. They aren't as TRUE as they believe they are because they openly accept a lot of the things the leftlist support. Nobody in my family fears the left, and they would never support them no matter what they say about their own party. They are only doing this now because they are all scared, so now they want to pretend they are against the Democratic agenda.

That's why I tell a lot of people I know, don't identify as either side, Left or the right because they both suck. Conservatives are the reason why gays can get married in churches, they are the reason why kids are preyed upon by the LBTGQ community. And they will back stab their own to avoid being labeled a "phobe" or a "bigot." They like to fornicate with religion but don't take it seriously since they want leftlist to know they are "tolerant" because getting called a phobe or a bigot proves they are just as fragile and weak as the leftlist they accuse of being weak and fragile.

Conservatives today are so desperate they have to side with Democrats that speak out against their own kind when it's just democrats being scared that they are losing power because of the BS they've been doing so now they are turning on their own and Conservatives see them as allies even if they identify as being Gay, trans, or whatever. As long as they talk shit about their own party, Conservatives will accept them as one their own that's how fake a lot of them are and why I would never consider them different from the Leftlist other than the fact, when Leftlist make demands and those demands aren't met. They will incite actual violence because they will be able to get away with it. Conservatives would be imprisoned and jailed if they threaten a federal judge but the left did exactly that over their "right" to kill babies and none of them were jailed for it.

The perfect example is Jerry Falwell who was the President at Liberty University, he is a literal cuckold who was letting his wife have sex with younger men right in front of him and even let his wife have oral sex with one of their sons friends....LOL.....I remember seeing the story and laughing my ass off.....these people are incredibly fake and weak.

That's why I can't identify as being either of the two. If I don't accept or believe in something I just don't. But I'm not going to start siding with the people that ruined and f***ed up my homestate here in California just because some of them are trash talking their own party to convince stupid conservatives that they aren't "all bad democrats". That's like if Galvin Newsom decided to talk trash about Democrats, that doesn't make him a great person it just means he got desperate. That's what I'm seeing among Conservatives, they are so desperate to bring people over to their side they'll even join forces with a rapist and murder if he started trash talking the democratic party while pretending to represent the Conservative party. These people deserve to get their states turned blue. They'll even let a whole wave of leftlist move into their states after they ruined their own and then try to tell them how to vote. Then when those leftlist decided to vote blue they want to act shocked and surprised as to why their state ended up like the Leftlist states. I can see why RooshV wrote on his old site "Conservatives are Losers" that article was spot on. The left love to play that game on shaming their own side. That's what they do, especially when they start worrying. Conservatives are easily fooled by BS which I honestly believe some leftlist when they say "Conservatives are the stupid ones." All you have to do is pretend you care about conservative values, you can be a trans, gay, rapist, murderer, child abuser, any of those things. Just claim to be all for Conservative values while shitting on Leftlist/Democrats and they'll look at you as one of their own.

Not that Red States are all that great to begin with. I've been to a few of them so I know they aren't all that great.

[Outcast9428]

I get what you mean OP but the words you choose matter.

When you say "I hate conservative people just as much as the left." What you are saying is that you hate conservative values and the people who uphold them. That may not have been what you said in the body of your post but it is how your headline read. And this whole "the left and the right both suck" thing sounds like weak centrism.

Your headline should have read "why I hate fake conservatives just as much as I hate leftists." Because cuckservatives are not actually conservatives. Actual conservatives absolutely f***ing despise these people. Look at John Doyle's videos on youtube, he doesn't even talk about the left for the most part, most of his videos are shitting on fake conservatives and showing them why their ideology is basically just an earlier stage of liberalism.

I despise these people and so do you it seems. But when you say "the left and the right both suck" or "conservatives are just as bad." What you are doing is throwing in the towel and giving up. You are surrendering conservatism to the fakes and allowing them to succeed in claiming that their behavior/beliefs represent authentic conservatism.

It needs to be made clear that how somebody votes is definitely not an indication of whether they are conservative or not. Republican voters are obviously more likely to be conservatives then Democrat voters are. But tell me, what does a frat boy have in common with a religious traditionalist? Our ideologies are pretty much the complete opposite of one another yet somehow we both vote Republican? I do not recognize him as a conservative and I refuse to refer to him as such.

Unfortunately the Republican Party right now is filled with right-leaning liberals (the proper term for these people). We need to do our part to convince people to support true right-wing ideology instead of this centrist bullshit you see the right-leaning liberals trying to pass off as conservatism.

[jamesbond]

The perfect example is Jerry Falwell who was the President at Liberty University, he is a literal cuckold who was letting his wife have sex with younger men right in front of him and even let his wife have oral sex with one of their sons friends....LOL.....I remember seeing the story and laughing my ass off.....these people are incredibly fake and weak.

I remember this, this guy was the PRESIDENT of a Christian college, Liberty University and him and his wife were swingers. They don't sound like good Christians to me! There are also some TV evangelists who were cheating on their wives and a TV evangelist who was married but having gay sex with another man for years!

[flowerthief00]

There's an anti-democratic trend growing on the Right that's particularly concerning. You need look no further than that "Which form of government do you think is best and why?" thread on this very (overwhelmingly Right-leaning) forum to see what I mean. Not a single person proposed democracy as the best form of government, but instead floated horrid ideas such as theocracy, aristocracy, etc. A BIG no thank you to that. If anyone tried to impose a theocracy on me I would not go quietly.

Another example is the worship of Putin among certain Right-leaning folks, a warmongering tyrant who has been in power for over two decades.

And it is hard to forget that not very long ago Right-wing extremists launched an attack on the US capitol in an apparent effort to overturn the results of a democratic election.

So yeah, f*** the Right. With the Left a threat to free speech and the Right a threat to democracy, both wings now are enemies of fundamental liberty, or have strong elements within them that are such.

[gsjackson]

Another example is the worship of Putin among certain Right-leaning folks, a warmongering tyrant who has been in power for over two decades.

Please give one example of Putin's "warmongering," prior to the current Ukraine campaign, which has all kinds of justifications that you would be familiar with if you got your news someplace besides the corporate media. And don't say Crimea, Georgia, the Donbass, Syria or Chechnya, unless you want to be corrected by someone who was actually following those events. And how about an example of his tyranny as well. Just one.

[flowerthief00]

Please give one example of Putin's "warmongering," prior to the current Ukraine campaign, which has all kinds of justifications that you would be familiar with if you got your news someplace besides the corporate media. And don't say Crimea, Georgia, the Donbass, Syria or Chechnya, unless you want to be corrected by someone who was actually following those events. And how about an example of his tyranny as well. Just one.

No, Ukraine is the only example I need. Nor do I need a lecture about how wars don't occur in vacuums. It is undeniable that Putin escalated a conflict, and that's all that's required before I can refer to him as "warmongering" the way that word is used today. (I'm far from the first to do so)

Don't read too much into the word. It's meaning is very light. For years and years now it has been used in politics by the opponents of anyone who escalates a conflict regardless of their reasons for doing so. If you want to accuse me (the same as everyone) of using a mostly meaningless descriptor as a pejorative against a political figure I dislike in order to score a cheap point, I'm guilty as charged.

Rather than "justifications" I prefer we say simply "reasons". A war is a breakdown of civilized ways of resolving disputes that takes the form of innocent people being slaughtered en masse. How can it ever be justified. Those who wage war have their reasons, though, that we may or may not agree with. And at a later date, historians can note the good things (if there are any) and the bad things that resulted from a war, but while a war is happening I don't see the point of talking about justifications. Those "good things" if they exist in fact depend on the outcome, which is not known while it is happening (i.e. if you start a war and win it you're more justified than if you start a war and lose it, in which case you got lots of people killed for nothing), and cascading consequences both intended and unintended.

Regarding Putin being a tyrant, I already said it. He has held power for himself for two decades. (Has he got any intention of sharing it as long as he breathes?) That's all that is needed in my book for him to be considered a tyrant and no friend to democracy.

[gsjackson]

Anybody paying the slightest bit of attention knows that the U.S. has done everything possible for over eight years to provoke Russia into invading Ukraine, starting with launching a coup and installing a virulently anti-Russian puppet government. It has attacked the Russian ethnics in the Donbas relentlessly (through its proxy the Ukraine "government") ever since, in violation of the Minsk accords, to which Ukraine was supposedly a party, killing around 13,000 civilians. The Ukies, led by Nazi battalions, had amassed a force of 100,000 preparing for a final invasion of the Donbas on March 4.

Since ignoring a promise by the first Bush administration in '92 that NATO would go no further east, the organization has doubled the number of members and moved eastward up to Russia's doorstep, making Ukraine a de facto member and the U.S. providing billions of dollars in weapons and training to fight Russia. Russia has always said this is an existential issue, a firm red line, but the U.S. just responds with contempt. What do you think they would do if Russian politicians openly referred to the U.S. as the enemy and sent billions of dollars of weaponry along with military advisers to Mexico? Is there any justification at all for flagrantly ignoring Russia's legitimate security concerns? Do you honestly think the U.S. has any interest in "civilized ways of resolving disputes?" The final straw for Russia was in mid-February when the clown puppet Zelensky said he intended to bring nuclear weapons to Ukraine.

What would you have done if you were Putin?

And are you under the impression that he wasn't elected to each term of office by the Russian people? Seriously?

[flowerthief00]

Yes. This is that point in the game where the opponent has forced you into a position where you have to trade pieces or capture a piece you otherwise might not capture, or else you go into a losing position. What would I have done if I were Putin? From a strategic point of view? I dunno, possibly the same thing he did! From a moral point of view? Slit my wrists and make the world a better place, I hope?

I told you I'm not keen on discussing justifications for war, least of all war that is still in progress. By that I meant moral justifications. If you're trying to steer this towards discussion of strategy...I'm not interested in discussing that either now. (although it is interesting) It's tangential to the simple point I was making about Putin being a figure unworthy of respect by those who value democracy.

And are you under the impression that he wasn't elected to each term of office by the Russian people? Seriously?

Are you under the impression that Russian elections are remotely free and fair? Seriously?

[gsjackson]

Yes. This is that point in the game where the opponent has forced you into a position where you have to trade pieces or capture a piece you otherwise might not capture, or else you go into a losing position. What would I have done if I were Putin? From a strategic point of view? I dunno, possibly the same thing he did! From a moral point of view? Slit my wrists and make the world a better place, I hope?

I told you I'm not keen on discussing justifications for war, least of all war that is still in progress. By that I meant moral justifications. If you're trying to steer this towards discussion of strategy...I'm not interested in discussing that either now. (although it is interesting) It's tangential to the simple point I was making about Putin being a figure unworthy of respect by those who value democracy.

And are you under the impression that he wasn't elected to each term of office by the Russian people? Seriously?

Are you under the impression that Russian elections are remotely free and fair? Seriously?

Well, my point is that you consider Putin a figure unworthy of respect because you are sadly misinformed, like most of the propagandized masses you apparently would dissociate yourself from on the covid matter. Or do you just not like the cut of his jib?

You have information that Russian elections are rigged and Putin has not been favored by a majority of the electorate in any of them (and that the polls currently showing 83 percent support for him in Russia are just plain wrong)? Please share. Was it a NYT story? WaPo? Another of the usual suspects?

[Cornfed]

Are you under the impression that Russian elections are remotely free and fair? Seriously?

Are there more democratic countries than Russia, and if so where?

[OutcastedPhilosopher]

flowerthief....you are a clown. Putin escalated this situation? How about you bring up a map of the US/NATO countries/bases that surround his country? Have you done that?

Do you realize a coup happened in Ukraine in 2014 that removed the elected officials there and it was backed by US/NATO countries? Do you realize that the US had dozens of bio-weapons labs in Ukraine that were destroyed by Russian forces? The US State Department had to take down their web page because it listed there locations and it corresponded to exact strikes by Russian forces....LOL

Putin struck Ukraine before it could become another NATO vassal and place missiles there and now the US/NATO blowhards are upset that he upset the apple cart. You guys are upset that you can no longer spread homosexuality and transgenderism on the people of Ukraine. Perfect.

The other funny thing is, you are the exact kind of people who denounce the German Nazis from WW2 but you fail to denounce the Ukrainian Nazis that have been fighting against Russians. It is rather hilarious to see this.

Whether Putin is rigging his elections or not doesn't matter to me whatsoever, I don't live in Russia and the fact that the elections in the US are much more suspect and yet hardly anyone bats an eye is also quite hilarious. For some reason the leadership in America and many of the regular people constantly deflect from the issues at home onto a foreign leader or a foreign nation which is utterly bizarre. I don't think any of us can know exactly what is going on in Russia unless we live there or previously lived there and I don't see too many people who have done so.

The last thing I will mention is the concept of "democracy" that so many in the West talk about. For some reason the people love "democracy" but they can never really explain anything about it except the fact that they don't have a leader like "Hitler" or "Putin" or a "thug". Well, I would posit that the type of governance in the West is not a democracy at all and that most of the supposed elected officials are part of an inverse totalitarian system. The number one issue is the fact that there is no way the average person can influence the political process due to the capture of it by the moneyed classes to include private corporations. Who has more political pull, a transnational corporation like Goldman Sachs or a private citizen with a 50,000 yearly salary? LOL....the political process is laughable, a corporation can make a $250,000 campaign contribution which is really a bribe and they own a politician while you make a $50 campaign contribution and you get an email thank you....LOL.....but yes keep thinking your votes count. Furthermore, there is no election process for the most important decision making positions within the financial system such as the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. The Chairman of the Federal Reserve can cause a full blown depression by raising interest rates too high or draining liquidity on the other hand a hyperinflation can be caused by lowering rates and printing money like gangbusters. The same goes for other high level positions throughout the government and corporations.

Furthermore, the concept of "democracy" seizes to exist in a multicultural utopia such as the US because various ethnic/racial/religious groups have a wide array of interests that they believe in. Do you want your vote to count as much as a woman's? Do you vote the same way a black person does? What about an Asian person? Do you think there are different interests here? All of these varying groups have the same voting power as anyone else and in most cases most groups vote as a block. Look up how the overwhelming majority of black women vote......overwhelmingly democrat and their vote counts as much as anyone elses. Does that make sense to anyone in that you claim democracy is somehow better than a different system?

Quite frankly, America is on a serious decline and Russia is obviously improving since there troubles in the 1990s. It likely helps that they actually have CONSISTENT and QUALITY leadership whether it is authoritarian or not. You seem to fail to grasp that Russia has a long history of authoritarian leadership going back many centuries and it works for them. The fact that the West tries to impose this mystical greatness known as "democracy" is part of Western hubris and mental degeneracy. Not everyone wants a democratic model and I don't blame them one bit because it doesn't work and the prime example is the United States.

[flowerthief00]

@gsjackson

You're really going to use the "but the polls say" argument? Kim Jong Whoever at any given time always has between 80~100% approval rating in his country. So does this mean that the North Korean electoral system is free and fair? Give me a break. Nobody in a democractic country does that well on polls. That's how you know a poll is bs!

Russia is ruled by a strongman who has monopolized power for 22 years, who stifles dissent, controls the courts, controls the media, and runs his state like a crime organization. (possibly assassinates political opponents with poison, too) If the only way you can conceptualize why someone might not want to lick the balls of such a figure is that they must be "sadly misinformed" then you could stand to expand your imagination.

Here's what a source (Wikipedia) that isn't the NYT or WaPo says about Putin:

Under Putin's leadership, Russia has experienced democratic backsliding and a shift to authoritarianism. Putin's rule has been characterised by endemic corruption, the jailing and repression of political opponents, the intimidation and suppression of independent media in Russia, and a lack of free and fair elections. Putin's Russia has scored poorly on Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index, the Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index, and Freedom House's Freedom in the World index. Putin is the second-longest currently serving European president after Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus.


@Cornfed

Around 200 or so countries. Literally most countries in the world are more democratic than Russia.


@OutcastedPhilosopher

You've proven my point better than I ever could myself. Your disdain of democracy seeps out of every word you write. Your philosophy represents the threat to liberty/liberalism that I referred to as concerning. I can only hope that it stays outcasted.

After what you said I can rest my case right here.

Sheesh, some of you far Righties are so illiberal that even Sean Hannity, who (like virtually everyone Left and Right) acknowledges that Putin is an evil guy, is far to the Left of you.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I get what you mean OP but the words you choose matter.

When you say "I hate conservative people just as much as the left." What you are saying is that you hate conservative values and the people who uphold them. That may not have been what you said in the body of your post but it is how your headline read. And this whole "the left and the right both suck" thing sounds like weak centrism.

Your headline should have read "why I hate fake conservatives just as much as I hate leftists." Because cuckservatives are not actually conservatives. Actual conservatives absolutely f***ing despise these people. Look at John Doyle's videos on youtube, he doesn't even talk about the left for the most part, most of his videos are shitting on fake conservatives and showing them why their ideology is basically just an earlier stage of liberalism.

I despise these people and so do you it seems. But when you say "the left and the right both suck" or "conservatives are just as bad." What you are doing is throwing in the towel and giving up. You are surrendering conservatism to the fakes and allowing them to succeed in claiming that their behavior/beliefs represent authentic conservatism.

It needs to be made clear that how somebody votes is definitely not an indication of whether they are conservative or not. Republican voters are obviously more likely to be conservatives then Democrat voters are. But tell me, what does a frat boy have in common with a religious traditionalist? Our ideologies are pretty much the complete opposite of one another yet somehow we both vote Republican? I do not recognize him as a conservative and I refuse to refer to him as such.

Unfortunately the Republican Party right now is filled with right-leaning liberals (the proper term for these people). We need to do our part to convince people to support true right-wing ideology instead of this centrist bullshit you see the right-leaning liberals trying to pass off as conservatism.

No because I don't identify as either side and I don't believe in voting systems either. I read so many books written by authors that spoke about how much of the voting system doesn't matter. Because the Elite controls both sides, they decide who they want to govern the country, and anything the Elite says GOES. America is owned by powerful Jewish people, that means both parties Republican an Democrat are their bitches, doesn't matter if you claim to be a real one or cuckservative.

If they really wanted they could of killed Trump but he wasn't really that big of a threat just annoying. Despite they hated him they didn't hate him enough to want him completely gone for good. So they just used petty tactics on him instead like lying about him, and picking him apart with false scandals until they cheated him out of winning again vs outright assassination.