The moral necessity of HA

[Outcast9428]

@MarcosZeitola Im still waiting a few months before asking for her parents permission. They are conservative about sex but modern in their way of thinking when it comes to marriage and gender roles. The time I’m planning to ask for permission is already pushing it but I’m gonna do it anyway. I’m planning on asking in the summer time.

@Mercer Marcos is right though. If people don’t reproduce then in the eyes of nature they have failed. If we want a certain way of life to succeed then the only way that will happen is through reproduction… And if the people on this forum refuse to face reality and continue insisting that no girl other then a virgin is good enough for them then nature will eliminate men like that from the gene pool because nature considers them to be a failure. Especially given that all the men on this forum talking that way are in their 30s or 40s and will definitely not be able to find a virgin at that age. They are sealing their own fate with their refusal to accept reality. They are honestly no better then the women out there who expect their husband to be an 8+ chad with a six figure income in their 20s and sporting a 6+ inch penis who is very cocky and dominant most of the time but sensitive at the exact moments she thinks is appropriate.

You can be a nonconformist to a certain extent but everything is a matter of degree. If you stubbornly insist on behaving in a way that nobody really thinks is appropriate anymore then you have no audience and will never succeed in life. You cannot win life with no allies and no help. At the very least you need people who believe you are the lesser of two evils. Without any of that. It is impossible. This is one idea that lots of people pay lip service to but nobody truly believes in. This battle is lost, and I don’t mean lost as in we’ve currently lost the battle but could regain ground on… I mean that this battle has been lost for a very long time now. And I am not going to die on a hill that we haven’t possessed in ages.

If the men here want a virgin so badly I suggest they start looking at obese women or travel to the Middle East and convert to Islam. But they obviously won’t do that. They are the same as extremely picky women who expect a superhuman spouse instead of a human.

[Cornfed]

This thread has been derailed by the evil excusal of sluts. The original point is that almost anything you do in the West is bound to turn out to be evil. There was a time when you could, say, be a teacher and say to yourself "Sure, the education system overall may be evil, but I'm just teaching maths and there is nothing wrong with that". We are no longer living in that time. You should just leave, whether you live in the woods or go HA. Going on welfare is preferable to keeping the system going.

[Cornfed]

Go away, stay, doesn't matter. It simply isn't viable in the long run.

It matters that you personally avoid committing crimes.

[Outcast9428]

@MarcosZeitola Im still waiting a few months before asking for her parents permission. They are conservative about sex but modern in their way of thinking when it comes to marriage and gender roles. The time I’m planning to ask for permission is already pushing it but I’m gonna do it anyway. I’m planning on asking in the summer time.

Summer sounds good, brother. I take it they're not aware of the fact that you're already ploughing your future missus? Sometimes, ignorance truly is bliss, haha. I'm happy for you, I really am man. Its kind of neat you still do the whole "ask for her hand in marriage" thing. I did that with my current lady as well, and the previous one, for that matter. Both times the answer was a resounding "yes", and I'm sure it'll be no different for you. Don't listen too much to the moaners, buddy, you got this. At least you're still out there trying to spread a little sanity into an insane world, you lil' Southern mini-Orbán!

Southern mini Orban I like that.

I’m pretty sure they know we’re having sex. A few days ago we were upstairs watching TV and her dad loudly announced “I’m coming up the steps right now!” And slowly trudged his way up So I think it’s all just a formality at this point.

As far as the hole in the ship goes, that is true, but I think we have some extra planks in the back room. Maybe while MrMan and I are taking buckets of water and tossing it back into the ocean, some politicians can nail the extra planks into the hull and slowly repair it.

I think Hungary used to be a completely drowned ship, and then the fall of communism pulled it to the beach, and then Viktor Orban drained it of water and fixed the hole in the hull and now is trying to see if it is truly ready to sail the seas again or if the structure is too damaged and needs more repairs. Hungary was once in a worse situation then the US is. They had one of the worst fertility rates in the entire world. But amazing things can be done through sheer force or will combined with intelligence and knowledge on how to get it done.

[Outcast9428]

I’m pretty sure they know we’re having sex. A few days ago we were upstairs watching TV and her dad loudly announced “I’m coming up the steps right now!” And slowly trudged his way up So I think it’s all just a formality at this point.

Lol. I sometimes dread my own future as a father of a large number of daughters. Sounds honestly terrifying, especially when they reach "that age" haha.

As far as the hole in the ship goes, that is true, but I think we have some extra planks in the back room. Maybe while MrMan and I are taking buckets of water and tossing it back into the ocean, some politicians can nail the extra planks into the hull and slowly repair it.

I think Hungary used to be a completely drowned ship, and then the fall of communism pulled it to the beach, and then Viktor Orban drained it of water and fixed the hole in the hull and now is trying to see if it is truly ready to sail the seas again or if the structure is too damaged and needs more repairs. Hungary was once in a worse situation then the US is. They had one of the worst fertility rates in the entire world. But amazing things can be done through sheer force or will combined with intelligence and knowledge on how to get it done.

I admire that man enormously but at the same time, while taking a birth rate from 1.3 to 1.6 IS impressive, it's still not above replacement level. Fluctuations in birth rates like the ones seen in Hungary are highly unusual. I recently read in an article on the matter that Japan actually had policies in place to increase the birth rate:

"The birthrate increased from a low of 1.26 in 2005 to 1.4 and above in 2010."
From: https://tfiglobalnews.com/2023/02/09/in ... rom-japan/

But then, it fell again. And now it's at 1.3 and still shrinking. I do wonder if Hungary can keep up the growth, and how far it will go. It has to rise a lot more, and then it has to be maintained as well. If Orbán pulls that off, it would be a truly monumental feat and he will forever be a legend for it. As of now, 1.6 is still far below replacement level so the war is far from won, sadly. Gains are solid but they're not out of the woods yet. I'm watching the Hungarian experiment closely. A lot depends on it. If it truly does work, it'll set an example to the rest of the world.

I think Japan in the 2000s just wasn’t committed enough to the idea. They made a small effort but you need a lot more will and commitment to get this done.

Recently Orban decided to start eliminating income taxes for women who have a child by the time they are 30 years old. Definitely a step in the right direction. Orban seems to be thinking what I’m thinking which is that the most important next step for Hungary is younger marriages. The average age of marriage in Hungary right now is too old. I’d say that women need to be getting married on average when they are younger then 25. So Orban’s next plan seems to be doing that. The government is also trying to deincentivize women from going to college which is also a good idea to lower the average age of marriage. The truth is that educating women is a wasted investment and doesn’t really benefit society at all. Educating men is sometimes helpful but overall we don’t need even half the number of people going to college that we currently do. All its doing is depressing the value of a college degree.

Japan’s new leader sounds a lot like Orban to me so I think the country is taking more dramatic measures now. Even the US is kind of getting its act together. The Republicans are becoming more aggressive and determined to throw the woke scum out of power. The US is about to eliminate its policy of having quotas for women and minorities in college. So this may cause the colleges to eliminate their merit standards entirely and thus destroy their prestige and making college education a useless investment for everybody. College in my opinion is the biggest source of cultural decline in our country so the less influence the universities have and the fewer people go to them the better.

[Tsar]

And if the people on this forum refuse to face reality and continue insisting that no girl other then a virgin is good enough for them then nature will eliminate men like that from the gene pool because nature considers them to be a failure. Especially given that all the men on this forum talking that way are in their 30s or 40s and will definitely not be able to find a virgin at that age. They are sealing their own fate with their refusal to accept reality. They are honestly no better then the women out there who expect their husband to be an 8+ chad with a six figure income in their 20s and sporting a 6+ inch penis who is very cocky and dominant most of the time but sensitive at the exact moments she thinks is appropriate.

You can be a nonconformist to a certain extent but everything is a matter of degree. If you stubbornly insist on behaving in a way that nobody really thinks is appropriate anymore then you have no audience and will never succeed in life. You cannot win life with no allies and no help. At the very least you need people who believe you are the lesser of two evils. Without any of that. It is impossible. This is one idea that lots of people pay lip service to but nobody truly believes in. This battle is lost, and I don’t mean lost as in we’ve currently lost the battle but could regain ground on… I mean that this battle has been lost for a very long time now. And I am not going to die on a hill that we haven’t possessed in ages.

If the men here want a virgin so badly I suggest they start looking at obese women or travel to the Middle East and convert to Islam. But they obviously won’t do that. They are the same as extremely picky women who expect a superhuman spouse instead of a human.

Requiring a girl to be a virgin is traditional and it's to be expected that not all men will go along with modern times. Will a girl be a virgin past 18? Probably not but that doesn't mean it's impossible to get a girl that's a virgin if she's youthful enough. The people in history knew that girls had to have lower marriage ages and older guys have access to them for marriage.

People who believe it's impossible for men to get a girl that's a virgin are wrong.

There are many changes that can be made to allow men to marry a virgin girl.

1. End Statutory Rape laws. If a girl gives her consent, then her parents and no one else have any right to complain or revoke her consent.
2. Men with good, serious intentions can date girls who are the traditional age of marriage.
3. Segregate schools into Boys' Schools and Girls' Schools.
4. Remove all sexualization from magazines, entertainment, and media.
5. Lower the age of consent.
6. Normalize age gaps where it's an older guy and much younger girl.
7. Make relationships and marriage the most important goal of a girl. Also encourage her to have 3+ children.
8. Do not allow people under age 21 to buy condoms. All other birth control would be completely illegal.
9. End feminism and end slut culture and end hookup culture.
10. End no fault divorce.

I know virginity laws can't realistically be enforced but there's backdoors to normalizing that goal. Once it's been normalized then it can become an official law.

[Outcast9428]

@Outcast9428, now you just admitted to having premarital sex. You clearly don't take your religion seriously at all.

Yes I do what 99% of the population who doesn’t manage to marry in their teenage years does, including 99% of other Christians. Wow, what a shocker.

@Tsar

What you are talking about would happen in the hypothetical situation that the laws of society were changed to a very dramatic degree. What can people do right now though?

[Tsar]

@Tsar

What you are talking about would happen in the hypothetical situation that the laws of society were changed to a very dramatic degree. What can people do right now though?

That's true that I was talking about a hypothetical situation but giving some of the necessary changes as examples.

I think that not enough people care about the virginity thing to try to normalize it again.

I think in current times, men who want a virgin have only two choices if they don't want to settle:
1. Break modern social norms and probably the law to get a girl that's still a virgin.
2. Be single for life.

Any other option isn't acceptable to most men or it's not actually viable to get a virgin girl at 18 in White and some Asian nations. 1% odds or 5% odds is too low to be statistically possible. That's effectively lottery odds and the effectively probability is much lower than the nominal odds.

It's not a bad policy for men to only want virgins. It's best if more guys begin to say that a girl must be a virgin, especially if he's a virgin.

It's not the same as Sluts wanting a Top 1% Chad.

It's men wanting what was common, desirable, and attainable for all human history. If they couldn't get one locally who was free, they could buy a Slave Girl that would be a virgin, or go to a more traditional nation and get one. Men should seek to marry a virgin and it's best if they're completely steadfast about that topic.

Virginity of females is one factor that's necessary for a stable society because if men marry virgin girls, then the society is much more stable and there's more love in relationships.

[Outcast9428]

It's men wanting what was common, desirable, and attainable for all human history. If they couldn't get one locally who was free, they could buy a Slave Girl that would be a virgin, or go to a more traditional nation and get one. Men should seek to marry a virgin and it's best if they're completely steadfast about that topic.

Virginity of females is one factor that's necessary for a stable society because if men marry virgin girls, then the society is much more stable and there's more love in relationships.

But it isn’t common or obtainable anymore. If someone wants to succeed in life, get a wife and have kids, some realities they just need to accept.

[Cornfed]

@Outcast9428, now you just admitted to having premarital sex. You clearly don't take your religion seriously at all.

In his defence, it is not necessarily anti-Christian for men to have sex with whores outside marriage.

[Tsar]

It's men wanting what was common, desirable, and attainable for all human history. If they couldn't get one locally who was free, they could buy a Slave Girl that would be a virgin, or go to a more traditional nation and get one. Men should seek to marry a virgin and it's best if they're completely steadfast about that topic.

Virginity of females is one factor that's necessary for a stable society because if men marry virgin girls, then the society is much more stable and there's more love in relationships.

But it isn’t common or obtainable anymore. If someone wants to succeed in life, get a wife and have kids, some realities they just need to accept.

It's not a reality for most people because of a lack of willpower, desire, belief, and because by marrying non-virgins, those women will not tell their daughters that they should stay virgins.

Parents need to tell their daughters to stay virgins, get married young, have children early in life, and expose them to entertainment that makes them romantic and like a fairytale princess, who believes in waiting for her prince. That's what people can do on an individual level. Also, parents should be open to an older guy with good intentions marrying their daughter. None of the "ghetto hoe glorification rap music" or slut glorification or whore worshipping nonsense, and don't allow horny guys around the daughters. Young guys often break hearts and hymens of virgin girls, effectively ruining them for guys who want a virgin.

Modern age gap social norms is nonsense.

Hitler's dream became reality because he believed and his belief was able to convince everyone else.



People need to believe and that belief if strong enough and powerful enough can accomplish rapid change. In ten years, Hitler turned a broken, despairing, degenerate, divided, and defeated Germany into the only nation to escape the Great Depression and restore their nation to greatness, and the Jews, British, and others who were jealous banded together to destroy them. National Socialism was going to destroy American Jew Capitalism and Bolshevik Jew Communism. It was the fairest economic system of the time and the one that was most suitable for rapid advancement, development, industrialization, and progress.

My stance of virginity can easily restore birthrates, population growth, marriage, relationships, and society. People just need to believe in it just like I do and never stop that belief and ideology.

[Tsar]

@Outcast9428, now you just admitted to having premarital sex. You clearly don't take your religion seriously at all.

In his defence, it is not necessarily anti-Christian for men to have sex with whores outside marriage.

I have to agree with @Outcast9428 that in today's world, it's best to just have sex outside of marriage because everyone is doing it. All current societies aren't built to stop fornication and make people accept finding one lifelong partner and girls staying virgins for one special guy.

1. If the girl is a virgin, it's best to take her virginity to have the experience of being with a virgin girl.
2. If a girl isn't a virgin, she doesn't lose anything by a guy having sex with her, and it's up to the guy if he wants to be with her.

In today's world where virginity is uncommon and inexperienced girls typically have a lot of sexual partners as they get older, it's best to lockdown a girl.

Deflowering a girl when the opportunity comes shouldn't be missed because of religious ideology when almost no men except religious fanatics with extremely fundamentalist beliefs would choose not to deflower a girl. In today's world, guys need to have sex with a girl when the opportunity appears, especially if she's a virgin.

However, I think in a truly traditional society that people shouldn't engage in fornication. However, there's no true traditional societies left where girls must be virgins and all men will respect other men by not deflowering girls which would ruin the girls for other men and therefore ruin society.

[Tsar]

@Outcast9428, now you just admitted to having premarital sex. You clearly don't take your religion seriously at all.

In his defence, it is not necessarily anti-Christian for men to have sex with whores outside marriage.

Marriage actually happens when people have sex. That's the ancient way of marriage. Ceremonies were purely formalities.

The government documents or government recognition mean nothing. It's just a form of control.

Having sex with a non-virgin is effectively adultery. Maybe not legally, but by the spiritual definition, it's adultery, assuming people believe that anyone who you have sex with, you become spiritually married to because of consummation.

[Cornfed]

@Outcast9428, now you just admitted to having premarital sex. You clearly don't take your religion seriously at all.

In his defence, it is not necessarily anti-Christian for men to have sex with whores outside marriage.

I have to agree with @Outcast9428 that in today's world, it's best to just have sex outside of marriage because everyone is doing it. All current societies aren't built to stop fornication and make people accept finding one lifelong partner and girls staying virgins for one special guy.

Using a whore as a vessel to masturbate into might be fine. Obviously you wouldn't want to pretend she can be a wife and go through the motions of a sham marriage.

[Cornfed]

Marriage actually happens when people have sex. That's the ancient way of marriage. Ceremonies were purely formalities.

The government documents or government recognition mean nothing. It's just a form of control.

Having sex with a non-virgin is effectively adultery. Maybe not legally, but by the spiritual definition, it's adultery, assuming people believe that anyone who you have sex with, you become spiritually married to because of consummation.

No, that is not exactly the Biblical position or the position of most major cultures.