America offers NOTHING except Work, Shopping, & Social Isolation. So why stay there?!

[WanderingProtagonist]

I just wish for once why does America keep being this obnoxious ass woke place and why is it STILL stuck like this...I understand how every generation things either get worse or better, but it feels like we've been stuck in this woke phase for the longest of f***ing time.

[MrMan]

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 07971.html

The article you linked demonstrates the opposite of what you said. Talented people are not sought after. Talentless affirmative action skanks are.

Nah, talented people don't want to sit around doing nothing.

https://www.businessinsider.com/google- ... ois-2023-3

I wonder if it makes economic sense for Google to hire up the software engineers to do nothing to keep them from creating competition on the market. From a good-of-society view, that may be really bad for society... unless these people were going to use their skills for some evil purpose like promoting medical gender mutilation, LGBT, the porn industry, etc. But from Google's perspective, could it actually help their bottom line? They also might have occasional projects they could have engineers ready to work on.

I'd imagine some of the do-nothing software engineers might be poachable-- and they might want to go somewhere where they do meaningful work so their lives don't feel so meaningless after getting so much skill and education.

[Cornfed]

I wonder if it makes economic sense for Google to hire up the software engineers to do nothing to keep them from creating competition on the market.

If they are hiring useless dead weight such as blacks and females, how would this help? The reality is that most money is just created out of thin air by the fed and they tell the companies what to spend it on, in this case hiring subhumans.

[GerardButler]

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 07971.html

The article you linked demonstrates the opposite of what you said. Talented people are not sought after. Talentless affirmative action skanks are.

Nah, talented people don't want to sit around doing nothing.

https://www.businessinsider.com/google- ... ois-2023-3

I wonder if it makes economic sense for Google to hire up the software engineers to do nothing to keep them from creating competition on the market. From a good-of-society view, that may be really bad for society... unless these people were going to use their skills for some evil purpose like promoting medical gender mutilation, LGBT, the porn industry, etc. But from Google's perspective, could it actually help their bottom line? They also might have occasional projects they could have engineers ready to work on.

I'd imagine some of the do-nothing software engineers might be poachable-- and they might want to go somewhere where they do meaningful work so their lives don't feel so meaningless after getting so much skill and education.

Just do that math. In 2022, Google's ad revenue amounted to 224.47 billion U.S. dollars. If they hired 10,000 of the finest technology professionals, such as myself, at a salary of $150,000 per year to stop Innovation, they would have spent approximately $1.5 billion. That's nothing. I had to move to Russia to build my tech company because of the huge tralent shortage in the US.

[Yohan]

I don't get something everyone. Why would anyone want to live in America? It has nothing to offer unless you are a workaholic and the cost of living is a total ripoff now.

Basically America offers NO love, no romance, no sex, no real friendships, no fun, no good times, no freedom, no social connection, no happiness, no camaraderie, no real culture, no national healthcare, nothing. So what does it offer except misery and unhappiness and loneliness and alienation?

This is all true what I read here, and the situation in Europe in various countries like UK is not so much different.

The reason why there is no large relocation movement going on to abroad from USA is not so difficult to understand - many US-citizens have never been abroad, even not out of their own state and consider USA as the only paradise in this world.

Of course there are US-citizens who visit other countries outside of the USA, they noticed that USA is not the paradise, but were unable to stay away and continue to live abroad often because of financial issues or family related issues, jobs abroad, visa issues etc...

The main point is USA is not really a good place for living for many, but it is also - by far - not the worst place in this world.

I can assure you many other countries do NOT offer you a better life than in USA, unlike you show up with a fairly high amount of money.

International seen, USA is not that bad, it is ranking not as No.1 of course, but it is still somewhere listed around No. 20 out of 200 countries worldwide.

I noticed Winston that you too do continue to live in USA and not in Taiwan or Philippines, or China, or Thailand or Russia etc. - yes, as a tourist for a few weeks or even months it was a nice time for you, but later on you took the airplane back to USA.

[martellthacooldude]

I'm sick of the workaholic cultures myself. I got into foot injury back in 2021 and 2022 via physical therapy. It was the worse period of my life as it shows me how broken and despairing one to see another human being. People with worse injuries than myself worried about being fired from jobs as they are unable to work. I was angry seeing the hurt in these people's faces going to physical therapy. I had walked with my crutches and a boot on my left foot made me negatively realized how valuable and important health is. America doesn't give a f*** about it's own people at all

[Winston]

How can someone fail to understand something so basic, so elementary? Are you just trolling the forum with the same inane questions? Do you honestly think that you are an attractive person? Surely you can't be serious. Women disregard 85% of men. Do you really think you fall within the top 15%?

Yes, that's the hilarious thing about @Winston he truly believes he's an attractive guy because some Filipinas and some Chinese chicks told him that in the past lol.

@MarcosZeitola
Why are you ridiculing that? How come when Filipinas tell you that you are cute and handsome, it's true, but when they tell me that, they are just being nice and trying to flatter me to get something? That's an obvious double standard. You also quote women who say that you are handsome too. You are obviously blind to your own fallacies and faults and double standards. lol

Why can't you accept that SOME women might find me good looking or cute or handsome? We both agree that PAG is not very good looking, however, SOME women must find him attractive, since he does get some girls, right?

Are you claiming that 100 percent of women do not find me attractive at all? Why do you believe that everyone has the same opinion as you? My looks are not as factual as the the sky is blue. I'm sure you know that. You also forget that though I may not be attractive by Western standards, by SE Asian standards I definitely am considered decent looking or cute to many females, at least more so than by Western standards. You can't deny that. SE Asia is a different standard and culture. Most women in SE Asia are not super picky, as we all know.

Also I can tell when a girl is just being nice and not genuine when she compliments me. Maybe you can't tell, but I can, because I have a strong 6th sense and intuition and empathy. It's true, whether you believe it or not. Problem is that you have a know it all attitude like most men, so you can't fathom that some people can see things that you can't, because you think you are at the apex of what men can see, since all men think they know it all and that nothing exists that's deeper than their perception. That's the fallacy nearly all men make, including those on this forum and including low IQ and stupid men. Not saying you are stupid Marcos, but you definitely are NOT deep or insightful, not as much as I am, that's for sure. Not bragging, but I do have some abilities that you don't have. We are not all equal in every way like Atheists and Communists and Marxists claim.

@MrMan
Again, let me ask you something. Suppose I said that any random guy can't win the lottery and you say "Well I won the lottery". That wouldn't refute my statement. You see? You also sound like a devil's advocate type who just takes the opposite position of anyone's position. You never agree with anything except the Bible, which is an indication of narrow mindedness. You never see the big picture either.

[Winston]

A consumerism culture is culture, too.

I like to eat out with family or friends. That is an activity done worldwide to socialize, relax, and have fun.

You could also hike, hunt, fish. The US has a lot to offer for outdoor activities.

This is a real question. Why are you here? People come to this forum because theyre sick and tired of America and are looking for a way out of that miserable, vapid, live to be a work slave void.

Your above paragraph is something a normie would say. Not someone who is happier abroad outside of America.

And what you said above doesnt make sense. Consumerism is not culture.

If you love life in the US then why are you on this forum?

Have you bought the forum? Are you the owner now? I've been here since around 2014. How long have you been here? The name is Happier Abroad, not the pessimists' forum.

I've spent about 13 years of my life living overseas. I've lived in South Korea and Indonesia, and I've also been to Japan, China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, and Australia.... and briefly to Mexico. I met my wife overseas. Is there a rule that posters have to be angry complaining why pessimist non'normies'?

I agree with kangarunner. Consumerism is not culture. It's just a lifestyle and part of the economy. In every industrialized country, people have to buy things like food and supplies. However, it shouldn't be part of the lifestyle as though that's all that matters and all that makes you happy, as in America. That's plain unnatural and overkill. Consumerism may be part of life but it shouldn't be the center of life or the purpose of life. That's just plain sick and unnatural and the reason why Americans feel empty, because they are told that making money and consumerism and materialism is supposed to make them happy but it doesn't. So they think there is something wrong with them and have to take antidepressants instead of realizing that they were taught false beliefs and that American culture is in the wrong and is fake and artificial.

[Winston]

Well I told you before many time MZ that pretty much everything is scripted in this reality. Ancient people all believed that and didn't believe in free will or free choice. Even the Bible never mentions free will. It's an invention of modern people. If something isn't meant to be and you try to make it to be, everything will go against you. You will always feel like you are against the grain and flow. That's what I've noticed. If you are meant to settle in America and have a wife, it will happen, not because of your looks or money or status. Surface things don't create relationships.

However, what I said it still true. If you go to Las Vegas you will see that everyone is super cold and afraid to talk to strangers and you will feel like a creep and violator if you try to talk to anyone. You can feel it to the bone and in your nerves. I would not say this if it wasn't true. On nextdoor.com 90 percent of normies there agreed with me about Las Vegas. What does that tell you?

Also since American women are SUPER picky and antisocial, if you aren't their type and one of the small percentage of guys they go for, the dating scene is a NO WIN situation no matter what you do. It's a dead end. Everything is against you. The universe is also an asshole sometimes too. We all know that. It shuts some people out of the dating scene and gives them no choice in the matter. If you are one of those that American women aren't attracted to then you could meet 1000 American women and all of them will tell you that you aren't their type. It's a no win scenario even if you are positive and confidence. No joke. Eventually you realize that there's no reward for any effort you put in.

For sure the universe can be an asshole. It's not all love and light like New Agers imagine.

You're just too convinced of your own correctness. You talk a lot. But you do not truly listen. You do not make changes to your life that would make romantic success more likely. God only helps those who help themselves, @Winston. You have been shown the way many times, but you are stubborn. Believing it is Murphy's Law and fate that puts you down and causes you to fail is easy... it removes responsibility from yourself and gives you license to be lazy.

Here's a nice quote for you to ponder on:

"If hearing something gives you comfort, look for the lie in it. If hearing something upsets you, look for the truth in it."

You take too much comfort from your argument that the universe is simply being a dick to you and therefore you are somehow destined to fail and not find what you are looking for. So question that assertion. You'll benefit more from that little thought exercise than you will from simply asking the same questions over and over again.

Actually @MarcosZeitola I am not stubborn and I am open to being wrong. I am not convinced of my correctness. I merely see things you can't and see fallacies in your arguments that you don't see, which are obvious to me, but not to you. I also see multiple angles and consider every possibility and see deeper than you. That's why I do ADDRESS YOUR POINTS, whereas you NEVER address mine! Big difference between us. I do consider all your points, but you ignore mine, even when I repeat them 1000 times. Why can't you consider other viewpoints including mine? You are the one that's stubborn, not me, because I am taking everything you say into account and examining them, but you are NOT with my points.

As to your quote above, I can cherry pick quotes to fit my point too. For example:

"When you label others, you do not define them. You merely define yourself as a labeler." - Dr. Wayne Dyer, New Age Guru

So I can say something offensive to you too, such as "you are stupid" and per your quote above, there must be truth to it? lol. I don't care about being offended, only in being accurate and taking account different sides and angles. In contrast, you jump to conclusions MZ and sound narrow minded and like to ridicule others instead of considering their points. Europeans are usually more mature and level headed than that. Also I am not looking to be comforted, I only ask that you consider my points. Just because I make deeper points and you are not deep MZ, doesn't mean that my points are not legit and true and fit what you see in this world.

I am not making excuses or blaming the universe unjustly. It's obvious that there is a script and hidden hand in this reality. We are not here by random nor is everything moving around at random. It's easy to prove with basic logic. Let me ask you this: Do you think the 40 trillion cells in your body are moving around at random? Of course not, if they did you would not be alive. They are obviously SCRIPTED in an elaborate order to keep your body alive. Open any human anatomy book or biology book and you will see this. It's obvious. That proves that things are scripted with a hidden order and code that you can't see. Just because you aren't insightful enough to see it, doesn't mean it's not true and obvious. Consider that.

You said before that someone you know who isn't that good looking came to America and made friends easily and found a wife. However, think about it. What did he do that's special that I didn't do? NOTHING of course. He just went with the flow. That's what we all do. Everyone does that. Both successful people and failure people do the same thing: They go with the flow and capitalize on any opportunity that comes their way. The only difference is that some are scripted to succeed at this or that and some aren't. Take Steve Jobs for instance. He didn't create Apple and succeed because of hard work or brains. He was scripted to do that and assigned to, either by the powers that be or the matrix or the hidden hand that shapes reality. Or all the above. If it was not his destiny to do so, he would have failed and been BLOCKED at every attempt. That's how it works. It's obvious when you look at life and reality and all the people in this world.

You said you wanted to become rich before MZ. Well what if you did EVERYTHING that Warren Buffet did to a T? Would you get the same results? No, not if it's not in your destiny or soul contract. That's why two people can do EXACTLY the same things yet get totally different results. How can you explain that? The only explanation is that their destinies and soul contracts are different. That's why your friend or cousin or whatever, can go to America and go with the flow yet get different results than the guys in this forum do. That proves right there that there is some script operating in reality. EVERYONE goes with the flow. If you go against it, you will feel like shit while the universe keeps blocking you.

You say I can easily lose weight by simply dieting and exercising. Duh. If it was that easy, everyone would do it. When you lose weight, your body tries to gain it back by being hungry all the time so you can overeat and gain it all back. Everyone who is trying to lose weight experiences that. Maybe the body wants to be at a certain weight and doesn't agree with your decision to lose weight? What makes you think we are in total control of reality like a character in a video game? My body goes against my will all the time. If you don't believe me, try deciding that you don't need any sleep and see if your body agrees with you. LOL

What did you mean that I have bad posture? Can you be more specific? I can stand and walk normally. If you are talking about bone structure, that is something no one can change. What is wrong with the way I stand or sit or walk? You aren't making sense.

Also, relationships aren't all about looks. The girl has to FEEL GOOD around you and feel a good CHEMISTRY too. It's very subjective. Looks alone gets stares but it doesn't create a relationship or attraction on its own. I'm sure you know that.

Another proof: Most guys are NOT good looking, only average looking, yet most guys do find a wife. How do you explain that? That proves right there that it cannot be about looks. There is a higher order and destiny and script and hidden hand. I can cite many examples like the ones above.

Use your head @MarcosZeitola and @Space Invaders. Btw Space Invaders, I don't think MZ is claiming that I am ugly like you are. He is merely claiming that I am not handsome, not that I am ugly. Keep in mind that only ugly people see the ugliness in others, hence you must be ugly Space Invaders. Men like Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise would not say I'm ugly because as beautiful men, they try to see the beauty in others.

Anyways guys, please consider all the examples and points above. Don't make me repeat them again otherwise this is a waste of time. I am considering your points but you refuse to consider mine. Hence it is YOU guys that are STUBBORN, not me. Just because you are a know it all doesn't mean you know it all. That's just a fallacy that most men have, that even if they are stupid, what they see is all that there is, which isn't true but the male ego can't help itself and is full of it.

[dubya]

@Winston

You're pretty wise, Winston.

I agree with you about hidden hands and hidden designs that we don't see.

And no, I don't think you're autistic, at least not to any significant degree, they usually have trouble with duality and paradoxes, whereas you seem to understand it's rarely only one thing or another thing, it's everything and how all of the cells of your body interact with each other and also interact with the universe.

Everybody pretty much "tries" and "goes with the flow" and some people make it and some people don't.

Ascribing it to "oh you just didn't work hard enough, you didn't do enough keto or this or that" is a feminine viewpoint of thinking everything can be fixed by taking a yoga class or seeing a therapist.

Most people are what they are, and rarely ever change other than their personal, natural evolution over a lifetime.

Some people go to Iraq and come back with a thousand yard stare, they become a different person.

Some people go abroad and see different way of life and something "clicks" in their brain and they either become successful or they nuke themselves.

You want my advice? Real advice?

If you're unhappy with your life, reroll.

Find a radically different environment, change things up, wear your socks backwards, if you always go left, go right.

Alot of things in life depend on RNG.

If your RNG sucks, change the game, reboot, reroll, respec. Do something radical to change your life until something "clicks."

The reason why often going abroad works is because it forces you to become a different person.

It changes your RNG.

Something clicks in your brain and suddenly you're losing weight when before you couldn't.

You want to call it witch craft, voodoo, demonology or the hand of god, I don't know what it is, but when you go thru radical changes in your life, 9 times out of 10 you're gonna come back a different person, and whatever logjam you had in your soul, got dislodged.

Shake things up, change things up, you never know what's gonna come out.

My 2 cents

[MrMan]

@MrMan
Again, let me ask you something. Suppose I said that any random guy can't win the lottery and you say "Well I won the lottery". That wouldn't refute my statement. You see? You also sound like a devil's advocate type who just takes the opposite position of anyone's position. You never agree with anything except the Bible, which is an indication of narrow mindedness. You never see the big picture either.

I am supposed to be the closed-minded one in this scenario?

FI you so no average man can win the lottery, I'd disagree. It's a matter of statistics. I just looked up the chances of winning the Powerball lottery and it is 1 in 292 million. So an average person could buy a ticket and win. But with those odds, I'd say it is a foolish waste of money. If I show you the statistics and you still disagree with me and insist that an average man cannot win the lottery, whose being closed-minded?

The chances of finding a girlfriend, wife, etc. are higher than 1 out of 292 million. And it is not the case that it is impossible for the 'average' guy to find love, a girlfriends, reasonable success, etc. in America. Of course, the issue is who is average? If we mean average looks, there are a lot of average-looking married people married to other average-looking spouses, aren't there? The same for girlfriends and boyfriends, right? It might be hard to find love, etc., in the US, but that doesn't mean it is impossible. The US also isn't homogenous. If one part of the country is socially cold, that doesn't mean the rest of the country is.

I've been to New York city as a toddler, so I don't know what it is like there. My impression is that there are a lot of angry-looking women walking around, and men telling them to 'smile', who think it's awful for men to tell them to smile. And if you look at a stranger too long, the stranger says, "What are you looking at?" In a small town in the South, if you look at someone, they might might greet you politely, and men don't go around telling women to smile.

[Space Invaders]

I don't get something everyone. Why would anyone want to live in America? It has nothing to offer unless you are a workaholic and the cost of living is a total ripoff now.

Basically America offers NO love, no romance, no sex, no real friendships, no fun, no good times, no freedom, no social connection, no happiness, no camaraderie, no real culture, no national healthcare, nothing. So what does it offer except misery and unhappiness and loneliness and alienation?

This is all true what I read here, and the situation in Europe in various countries like UK is not so much different.

The reason why there is no large relocation movement going on to abroad from USA is not so difficult to understand - many US-citizens have never been abroad, even not out of their own state and consider USA as the only paradise in this world.

Of course there are US-citizens who visit other countries outside of the USA, they noticed that USA is not the paradise, but were unable to stay away and continue to live abroad often because of financial issues or family related issues, jobs abroad, visa issues etc...

The main point is USA is not really a good place for living for many, but it is also - by far - not the worst place in this world.

I can assure you many other countries do NOT offer you a better life than in USA, unlike you show up with a fairly high amount of money.

International seen, USA is not that bad, it is ranking not as No.1 of course, but it is still somewhere listed around No. 20 out of 200 countries worldwide.

I noticed Winston that you too do continue to live in USA and not in Taiwan or Philippines, or China, or Thailand or Russia etc. - yes, as a tourist for a few weeks or even months it was a nice time for you, but later on you took the airplane back to USA.

I don't agree with everything you write, but this is good. To the point, measured, and accurate. I too take issue with Winston's et al constant lambasting of America when he regularly stays here and it's also his USD, contributed by Daddy Wu, that allows him to indulge in his pedophile fantasies abroad in third world countries.

[Mercury]

I don't get something everyone. Why would anyone want to live in America? It has nothing to offer unless you are a workaholic and the cost of living is a total ripoff now.

Basically America offers NO love, no romance, no sex, no real friendships, no fun, no good times, no freedom, no social connection, no happiness, no camaraderie, no real culture, no national healthcare, nothing. So what does it offer except misery and unhappiness and loneliness and alienation? I don't get it. Sure america offers opportunity to make money, however if it's severely deficient in 100 other areas, that one benefit alone is NOT worth it if you think about and look at the big picture.

Sure America gives u food and shelter but u have to be a workaholic slave to pay for that, and live without freedom. It's a total slave state and enslavement machine that BSes u all the time and brainwashes u with BS too. That's all it is.

Sure there's beautiful nature and land, but that was put there by God or mother nature, not by the American people or government or system or ideology. So America can't take credit for that.

So if u think about it it makes no sense why anyone still lives in America and assumes they have no choice, when it has nothing to offer like many other countries do. Why live in misery and enslavement when there's 200 other countries with better things in the aforementioned areas, as well as lower cost living and more fun and freedom and friendship and love and romance and good times, etc? If u think about it this way u realize that all Americans must be friggin insane.

******** Applause. Amen brother Winston. Amen. ********

Also I don't get why america charges sales taxes and requires u to give tips when Asia does not? America claims sales taxes are necessary to fund government and tips are necessary to fund restaurants. But then how come Asia doesn't need sales taxes to fund their government or tips to fund their restaurants and waiters? U gotta wonder. America has never explained this. How come the US media doesn't bring this up? How come no one in the US Congress or Senate brings this question up? Why can't America just do whatever Asia does so that they don't need to charge sales taxes and tips, which makes eating in restaurants in America a total ripoff now???!!! But in Asia eating in nice restaurants is much cheaper and u don't need to pay stupid taxes or tips? How come?! Why don't Americans ever answer this? They always run away from these type of questions because they are taboo and u are supposed to assume America is the world and nothing better is outside of it, which is false but u are supposed to assume that like most dumb Americans do.

Unfortunately, because most who can not leave are poor. Even moving to Mexico costs at least $6,500 or more. Moving to the Philippines, Australia, France, Greece, and such costs about a quarter million dollars. There are people with special needs, people that have autism, cerebral palsy, Down's syndrome, spina-bifita, people that are in wheelchairs, they receive social security disability, and if they moved to another country, they would be totally ineligible to receive benefits even if they moved to another industrialized country such as Australia, France, Germany, New Zealand, or Singapore.

Many second and third world nations have no benefits at all for persons with disabilities. Some countries still institutionalize persons with disabilities. And even for persons with disabilities, being in an institution is exactly like being in a prison, even like being in California's Pelican Bay prison. And many of those institutions are even a lot worse than Pelican Bay.

[kangarunner]

Everyone on here hates America except for a few people @gsjackson and @MrMan who are part of the "system" and genuflect to it like all the other robot slaves in America. If that country gets more Democrats in office, we can finally have public, national healthcare and Universal basic income which would be a better alternative to the welfare system. As long as the majority of Americans are comprised of Lee Greenwood proud American patriots and asshole, Chevy truck driving, good ole country boys like the dumbasses in TN where I'm from, the country will never move forward and progress.

Most people in America have no idea they're viewed as cattle by their overlords.

I want that country to fall down and fail in my lifetime.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Everyone on here hates America except for a few people @gsjackson and @MrMan who are part of the "system" and genuflect to it like all the other robot slaves in America. If that country gets more Democrats in office, we can finally have public, national healthcare and Universal basic income which would be a better alternative to the welfare system. As long as the majority of Americans are comprised of Lee Greenwood proud American patriots and asshole, Chevy truck driving, good ole country boys like the dumbasses in TN where I'm from, the country will never move forward and progress.

Most people in America have no idea they're viewed as cattle by their overlords.

I want that country to fall down and fail in my lifetime.

I just see what America really is.. a sophisticated Venus fly trap, blackhole, a dark vortex. Yet many ignore all the warnings and continue to come to America believing it is better than the rest of the world. It is not and America is similar to Neo Feudalism system. Where the Lords(Big Corporations) exploit the serfs(the average workers). The serfs do have few rights, but they must work continuously to avoid financial hardship.