pete98146 wrote:Winston wrote:1. Middle class Filipinos are always with other middle class Filipinos.
2. Foreigners are with poor ghetto looking Filipinas, sometimes with their whole families, all of whom look poor and not accustomed to comfort.
Totally disagree! My proof? She's sitting in the next room sipping coffee and reading the newspaper. Let's face it, as our movement grows, the thought of going overseas used to be only for outcast losers. Not anymore!!! As more middle class men realize that dating is messed up in the Western Hemisphere the more they will roam second and third world countries looking for women.
Using me as an example. After my divorce 10 years ago, I starting chatting with women from various countries. One girl was in marketing in Mexico City. She was the only person in her family who wasn't a lawyer. Next girl had her masters degree and worked as a programmer at IBM. She was from Singapore. Next girl also from Mexico was a high school teacher. My wife, has her 4 year degree in biology and she worked in industrial sales in Cebu. Clearly, all of them would be classified as middle class ladies.
When I was seeking a bride from Phils, I simply ignored poor women. Sorry, not interested. While this may have decreased the available pool it CERTAINLY didn't evaporate it all together. I still had plenty of opportunities to chat with girls working in call centers, teachers, programmers etc. Why was I successful? Why does Davewe have equal luck? Well the answer is that water will rise to it's highest level even in a foreign country. Call this an "It factor" but middle class foreign women are comfortable with me. Maybe I look and act the part but it is what it is.
I'm very very very convinced that if I had to do it all over again, it would very easy to repeat my level of success. Furthermore, do I believe a guy could come in and date the upper crust of filipino women? Why not? If you have the time, effort and contacts it's TOTALLY doable especially if you lived there for any period of time. Middle class/upper class filipinas have needs too. Phils still remains a place where there seem to be many more single women than men. Filipino men can be playboys and jerks. So they are there for the taking IF you polish your appearance and image (
with image being the most important element to the equation).
I'll even take this one step further. I predict if you walk around at any mall in Phils in a nice $40 dress shirt, $50 trousers, $30 belt and $100 dress shoes you'll have that corporate image thing going on. This alone should chase the poor girls away because they'll feel out of place talking to you. But what does it do? It will open up an entirely different sub set of women who WILL be comfortable with your appearance. Ah yes, we are talking about the middle class ladies here. If you can afford to travel to Phils, you can afford a $250 to buy some nice threads. Top it off with a decent watch and some cologne and you should be good as gold.
But I can see a lot of guys who have a self fulfilling prophecy in that if you think you'll only be successful with lower caliber women then your fate is sealed.
I don't understand the point you are making. What you say is not even relevant. We are not talking about middle class foreigners in the Philippines. We are talking about middle class girls in the Philippines, the kind who have a house, car, eat out at restaurants and can afford to pay for it, and travel to different countries. Those types don't usually seek foreigners. They can fall in love with a foreigner, but they are not any easier to get than American girls. They are snobbish and exclusive and cold to strangers.
Are you saying that your wife is middle class? Does her family have a house, car, and eat out at restaurants on their own tab? Do they take trips overseas on their own tab?
Even if so, she is an exception. Did you read what I wrote about restaurants? You can easily test this yourself in the Philippines. Go to any nice restaurant there and you will see what I described. It speaks volumes. Your wife doesn't. Basic logic.
See what my friend said above about about the Filipinas he met on Tagged and Friendster. Any of you can try that test out yourself and see how friendly middle class Filipinas are.
For a third test, go to any SM Mall. Try chatting up the female shoppers there, the ones that have money to buy things at the mall. You will find that they are not much different than girls in America. Rock tried this and had a disappointing experience with non-p4p girls. Try this at a nice mall in Makati too. You'll experience what I mean.
nightwatchsf, are you willing to do any of the tests above? lol. Can we meet next time you're in the Phils? I want to see you try to approach middle class girls in SM Malls, the ones who have the money to shop and buy things on their own. Can I film you? Can you demonstrate how open and approachable middle class Filipinas are?
Can you post some photos of you and the FHM models you dated?
patrick wrote:
Well first of all the Philippines doesn't really have a middle class. Not like we know in the West where a middle class person usually comes from middle class parents. In the West the middle class can afford to go to the Philippines on a holiday, drive a car, buy a house, have a good education. Can a middle class Filipina do that? For western people like us, the middle class Filipina's are still sort of low class.
The very small middle class in the Philippines are probably a few city people who did well in school and got a slightly better job with a $120 per month salary. They still come from poor families, who are constantly around them, and don't have a comparable wealth and behaviour like the middle class in the west. Ofcourse, if you walk around in a $100 expensive suit they will be impressed.
I also can't imagine that the very rich and very small upper class would want to hang out with some random foreigners. Unless they are rich, handsome and really have something to offer. There's no reason for them to jeopardize their image with some average foreigner from who they can gain nothing. As we all know, they rich care even more about what they can gain from a relationship than than the lower class
There are middle class Filipinas. Some of them are celebrities too. They live in nice places, have cars, fly in planes on vacation, go to nice restaurants, etc. They don't need foreigners to pay for them. I've met them before and they are very NON-flirtatious and not fun or carefree at all, but VERY uptight, similar to girls in LA. If you fly in or out of the Philippines on Philippines Airlines, you will meet them too.
Here is one example, Bianca King:
You can tell in that photo that she's used to comfort and class. There are many girls like that. You can see them in nice upscale places in the Philippines. They are not approachable at all. I'll bet you that nightwatchsf would get the cold shoulder and would not even dare to approach Filipinas of such class.
Wanna put it to the test nightwatchsf? Words don't mean anything. Action and results are the real proof.