Winston in China! Updates and Photos

[Yohan]

Winston wrote:
-- Chinese women are taller than Filipina women on average.

I don't know, any source for that? I can speak only about my own observation.

I am not so sure about that, about the Chinese, some are really tall and some are short. In Malaysia I found Hokkien Chinese rather short. I have met Cantonese Chinese in Singapore and HongKong taller than me.

In general Asian children are now much taller than their parents, also here in Japan and same is true with Philippines too. My Filipina fosterdaughter, 19 y/o is 5'10 (177 cm).

[Falcon]

An obvious telltale sign of BPD is dividing the world into black-and-white extremes. Either a person or thing is 100% perfect and angelic, or 100% evil and demonic.

As for Chinese being superior to Filipinos? In general urban Chinese are more financially successfully than rural Filipinos. But you have to look at their hearts too. Dianne may not be at the top of your perceived hierarchy just as she wouldn't be at the top of American society like a Hollywood star, but she's got a much better heart than Lisa. And Dianne is infinitely more loyal to you than Lisa was. Plus she's definitely above average in terms of looks and intelligence for a working-class Filipina. I am certain that she is better-looking and more intelligent than many Mainland Chinese women.

If I were you, I would pick simpler Filipinas like Dianne over the more complicated Mainland Chinese women like Lisa. It feels good at first to have a bimbo trophy girlfriend, but when reality strikes you will regret it. Urban Chinese might be more suitable for some guys, but for guys like you and me, the more traditional Filipina is better. Even Rock says that Filipinas can have such authentic, loyal hearts. On the other hand, Mainland Chinese can be shockingly cold and mean, both at first sight and after you get to know them well.

The average Mainland Chinese has much less conscience and empathy for fellow human beings than the average Filipino does. Traditional Catholic society in the Philippines is a completely opposite universe away from the ruthless, heartless atheist Communist society of China. China is a very low-trust society, while Filipinos are much more amicable and trusting. Plus, due to the one-child policy and rampant money worshiping in China, dysfunctional families and relationships are now everywhere in China. Filipino families remain much more traditional and functional.

My bottom conclusion is that Dianne is better for you. You've got nothing to lose by being with her. You have already experienced the pleasures and horrors of dating Mainland Chinese women. Your dad once even warned you that he's worried Chinese women might break your heart. Well Lisa just did. You've attained a Chinese girlfriend and experienced what it's like to have a relationship with them, and you should be satisfied with that. Now my opinion is that going back to be with Dianne and Angelo would be the most rational thing to do now. Why?

Because Angelo and Dianne truly love you, and really miss you. But Lisa does not. Many of those "hot" Chinese women you talked to had such cold, sinister vibes. I could just sense that right away when we were talking to them, but you were mesmerized by their superficial looks, and their mean, cynical words just flew by your ears. Dianne would never say the nasty things that the Guangxi lady told us.

You've been there, done that with Chinese women. You've had great Russian and Chinese adventures. Congratulations, you've ticked this off your list of "things to do in life" and won't regret it. Now you should go back to being a family man with your family in the Philippines. You may not have much passion now, but passion and love are things that you can learn to grow and cultivate. In the long run, you won't regret it if you go back to being with Dianne and cultivate a loving life together with them.




See also this thread. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26555&start=60
And my trip report about meeting up with Dianne and Angelo. viewtopic.php?t=20051

[The_Adventurer]

Falcon you HIT IT!

Perfectly put into words what I've been trying to put my finger on about China all these years.

I will be going through your catalog. I have read a couple of your adventures before, with the Indonesian girls and something about being a Chinese cowboy in South America. I liked your thought process, adventurous spirit and, contrary to most here, like the type of girls you pick.

Maybe there's still something worth reading on this board.

[Winston]

Also, when I saw Rock go out with his middle class Filipina dates in Manila, I noticed that they also made him pay for 100 percent of everything. They didn't contribute to any of the restaurant or food bills, like Chinese women usually do. Maybe I'm wrong and they did when I wasn't around, but I don't remember them contributing to anything when I was around.

As a general rule, when I take a girl out on a date, I pay everything during the date. I do that here, I did that in Taiwan, and I also do it wherever else I go. I do not go Dutch on meals and other stuff unless she's a purely platonic friend. And even then, I may pay if I feel it might be a burden to the girl. Like when your Dianne visited Makati during last Pacquiao fight, I paid for her meal and drink.

With middle class Filipinas, I think if they date a guy who has same or less money than they do and is of similar age, they may split bill or even pay sometimes. It depends on circumstances.

But it's still, I think here in Philippines it's traditionally considered a man's role to pay for dates and to be the one doing the pursuing and courting. That goes for middle class as well.

In my case, I still have a better financial position than most of the middle class Pinays I know or go out with plus I'm older than them. I wouldn't feel comfortable with them splitting the bill or paying for the date. Some do however give me gifts or treats from time to time.

Yeah but Rock, do your middle class Filipina dates even offer to pay? The point is, many Chinese women do not even give you the choice to pay for them. They will aggressively rush to the counter to pay for your meal before you even know it. Do Filipinas ever do that? No way. How do you explain that? Filipinas don't have shame when it comes to always receiving and never paying. Chinese do. That's the difference.

Are Japanese and Koreans considered super-race race by other Asians?

Filipinos are shit race, anyone can see that. They go to other countries to become maids and hookers. What brain power is needed to do that?
I would put Aborigines/Sudanese bellow Filipinos as they are closest to animal human being can get

Japanese consider themselves to be the most racially superior in Asia, yeah. The IQ's of Japanese, Koreans and Chinese are all very close. But the point is, they are higher on the racial hierarchy than Filipinos are. But yeah, all of Asia considers Filipinos to be the lowest class. It's common knowledge in Asia.

I guess you inspire more generosity than I do with Chinese anyway. The Taiwanese and Chinese I dated generally were ok with me leading the date and paying. I was usually the one to make the decisions, choose the venue, and they generally did not rush to counter to beat me to paying. I've not faced much resistance when paying meals.

On those rare occasions in Taiwan where girl would refuse to let me treat her, it was sometimes to let me know that it was not a real 'date' but just 2 friends going out.

That's my experience. Like I said, perhaps you and Monkro date more generous girls than I do. But I generally will not let a girl even go there if she's thinking about paying. I make it clear if there is any doubt.

Maybe Rock, the reason chinese women let you pay and dont let me pay, is because they see you as a real man who is dating material. But they see me as a little brother type or friend type who looks helpless and lost, so they feel the urge to take care of me and treat me? Lol

At least thats what banano would say. He is so brutally honest about such things. Also of course, taller men like you are perceived as leaders and so they instinctively let you take the lead and let you treat them.

I think a woman who likes you romantically will let you pay for her most of the time, and will occassionally contribute if she can. But if she never lets you treat her, its a bad sign that shes not into you.

But im also not that aggressive when it comes to rushing to the counter tto pay for everything. Chinese are good at that and they like to treat people in general.

[Lorenzo]

It is not subjective. It can be objectively proven that Chinese race is superior to Filipino race. Come on now. Stop being so liberal. Races are not all the same or equal. That's politically correct liberal trash talk. Look at the obvious:

-- Chinese have higher IQ's than Filipinos, and more intelligent, calculating and analytical too.
-- Chinese and Chinese-Filipinos run all the major businesses and industries in the Philippines.
-- Chinese are much better at running businesses than Filipinos are. They are much better at managing money too. They are more efficient at everything in general.
-- Chinese women age better and more gracefully than Filipina women.
-- Chinese have more money than Filipinos in general.
-- Chinese have higher income than Filipinos.
-- Chinese live longer than Filipinos generally and are more health conscious as well.
-- Chinese are good in real estate and investment, and own much of the real estate properties in California.
-- Chinese women are more elegant, graceful and refined than Filipina women.
-- Chinese women are more educated than Filipina women.
-- Chinese women have higher standards than Filipina women do. They are more complicated too.
-- Chinese women can treat people to dinner and contribute financially to a relationship.
-- Chinese women are taller than Filipina women on average.
-- Chinese women's skin is smoother, whiter, silkier and higher quality.
-- Filipino women work as maids and caregivers, which is low class work. Chinese women don't do that kind of work because they are above it and too smart for it. Filipino women tend to take jobs that are low class. Everyone knows this and everyone can see this.
-- Chinese have more of a sense of fairness. If you treat a Chinese person, they will treat you back next time. Filipinos are happy to always receive and never give and never pay for anything.

A lot of guys here have a hard time hearing this list and agreeing because they have Filipina wives or GFs. What I do know is that many Filipinas are very big hearted. Yes they aren't intellects, yes they will take more than they give in money, nor are they careful enough, as a general group, but they are sweet and kind. I also met sweet Chinese women too, but they are far more cunning, savvy and manipulative. These traits make Chinese successful wherever they go. There is no question that on the average, a Chinese women is more educated, financially sound, hard working, and retain better physical appearance with age than Filipinas. BTW Chinese p***y feels amazing, don't know how they keep it so tight?

On the downside, Chinese women can be a bit weird by Western standards and they almost all have bad teeth!

[chanta76]

Winston,

I'm disappointed in you. Talk about being stuck up just because you have Chinese back ground and now sprout Chinese being superior over Philippine people.

[Winston]

Falcon,
Lisa doesn't represent all chinese women or even most chinese women. She is mentally ill, not feminine, not faithful, and changeable, all of which she admitted to. Summer, the girl before lisa, was screwed up too, and did a sudden 180 for no reason.

So i have yet to date a normal chinese girl, the kind i see out in public everyday looking happy, relaxed and caring with their boyfriends. Which makes me envious and ask why not me?

My new chinese girlfriend is a real gem and keeper and very sweet. She never insults me. She is studying to be a nurse too, so she has a caring heart. Ask ethan_sg or ghost. They are in my wechat group and have seen her photos and agree that shes a gem. You are out of the loop falcon because you refuse to install Wechat like i told you. And you wont respond to me on QQ or Skype either so i have no way to send pics to you. So you arent up to date on things. We keep trying to add you to our wechat group but you dont respond.

Marcoszeitola,
You sound like a liberal. It doesnt matter how you spin it or what excuses you make about race, the fact is that chinese are higher on the racial hierarchy scale than Filipinos are. Filipinas may be more easygoing and relaxed and warmer, but chinese are definitely superior in every other category. No question about it. Its measurable and obvious to everyone, regardless of the reasons you speculate.

You forget that genetics are real and biologists say that your genes determine 50 percent of your personality at least. Only liberals deny that. So yes genes are a factor. There is a proven correlation between race and IQ too as mentioned and cited in other threads. So no, all races are not the same. Liberalism has brainwashed you.

Btw even chinese women who do not use skin care products still have smoother whiter higher quality skin than filipinas. Even rock has observed this. Chinese skin is due to genetics, not just skin care products. What are you smoking man? Why do i need to explain the obvious to you?

[Winston]

From my dad:

"I read your forum member Falcon's post that suggests you to go back to Dianne and Angelo. When he was in our home, I was amazed that his views about life are very mature although he is so young. After I read his post, I found he knows Chinese very well both political and social behaviors of Chinese women. He is very wise about how to live a happy and meaningful life. Please hear what he tried to suggest you seriously. Love dad"

[Banano]

Yes, I agree. Winston should go back to Dianne and his son or else will be cursed for the rest of your life.
No wonder you not happy and always end up with fkd up women.

Organize wedding in ac and invite all of us from ha forum. It will be good for your business too, like a hollywood star, winston wu gets married to love of his life, george clooney of ac.

the most wanted bachelor in fields av finally settles down n quiits one nite stands

[Winston]

Marcoszeitola,
You are in denial. Of course if chinese women have higher standards its because they can afford to. Filipinas cannot because they are considered low class and less of a catch and have lower quality genes. So they have to lower their standards. Everyone here knows this.

You cant deny the reality of genetics or blame it all on the government. The romans were able to overthrow bad governments and bad emperors. The russians were able to overthrow their czar and the French were able to overthrow king louis. Why cant filipinos? How come filipinos have never won any wars?

Dont compare with american women because they are an unnatural anomaly.

Even filipinos consider chinese women to be more attractive and superior. Even dianne does. So there. No one denies this except you.

Btw falcon wasnt the one interested in dianne. Steve55 was. You got them mixed up. :p

Btw dianne was not loyal or faithful either you know.

Btw rock said that im doing better in China than Philippines because in China im dating normal quality girls, not hookers or bar girls, and ive already had two girlfriends that were into me and still have other prospects as well. Plus ive met a lot of high quality Chinese girls and befriended them during my travels, which ive sent out photos of to my private wechat group.

Marcoszeitola,
You dont have dating experience in China to compare. I do. Ask rock and ethan_sg and zboy1 to compare.

[Winston]

Marcos,
No way dude. Chinese and american women are totally different. Chinese women are far more feminine and down to earth and authentic and humble and more sociable to me and much easier to connect with. More natural in every way. Ask anyone who has dated in china. You have no experience to know what youre talking about. You are a young man and should learn from older wiser more experienced men like me. :p

Also dont judge my new gf in china. She is not materialistic and is very caring. You arent logical to judge people you dont know. You are operating from bias again.

Also marcos i dont need to refute anything you said because you did not refute anything i said. You just made excuses that dont change the facts.

[ethan_sg]

A lot of people who judge China from the outside or after only spending a few days in China make the mistake of:

1. Believing everything the Western Media paints about China. The western media is biased against China, and likes to play up the negative points but overlook the good ones. Part of the reason is that bad news sells, good news is generally not newsworthy.

2. Judging mainland Chinese women by the ones they see in their own countries. These generally constitutes women who are in one way or another related to the sex industry or the extremely wealthy and snobby types. These women are not representative of the everyday women you meet in China.

If China is as broken or dysfunctional a society as some of you make it out to be, then why are birth rates in China significantly higher, and divorce rates significantly lower than countries within or inflicted by the anglosphere? For instance, the divorce rate in America is 53% while in quite a few Western European countries, it is over 60%. It is only about 20% in China. There is no comparison.

Winston, despite a language handicap (he only speaks a basic level of Chinese) is making new Chinese friends almost every other day during his travels in China. He has even cold approached girls who he then successfully dated within the same day. There is a high level of instant familiarity among strangers over here. The girls may not be as easy as they are in the Philippines, but then Philippines is probably the easiest place in the world. Things that take a little more effort often prove to be more valuable and worthwhile in the end.

China as we know is a humongous country. It is easy to take the worst 1% of women in China, use the media to play it up, and give the rest of the world the false impression that this 1% is all there is to China and is representative of the whole country.

[The_Adventurer]

the divorce rate in America is 53% while in quite a few Western European countries, it is over 60%. It is only about 20% in China. There is no comparison.

What was it 5 years ago? And 5 years before that? You can't tell me the post 90's kids aren't f***ed. Girls can't cook worth a damn, don't know what a broom is, expect a man to do everything for them. They are spoiled and materialistic to a T. I think the comparison with American women was quite fair.

The guys are spoiled and lazy and have no work ethic. If you're not constantly standing over their shoulder, they'll be playing video games.

Post 80's are almost as bad.

EVERYTHING that I left American to get away from is easily found or fastly creeping in here. The one difference is the girls are more femenine, but there are cultural differences that bring about other evils to compensate for that.

Winston talked about insults. I see this everywhere. They all do that because their mothers did it to them. Their teachers do that. It is some kindnof weird, reverse psychology thing that is supposed to instill in the recipient a, "Oh yeah?! I'll show you!" attitude and make them work harder to give the other person what they want. If not that, it's the comparison. "Why can't you be like so and so...?" "He got his wife an iPhone" "He got straight A's" Yes. They do it to their kids too. I see this everyday. Everywhere.

I sit around at the bar with my married colleagues. It doesn't matter where they are from, Shanghai, Beijing, Henan, Guizhou... The stories about wives are all the same. The "appearance" of sweetness ENDS when they got you!

The guy in here with the Indonesian wife said they describe Chinese women as "cerewet". i see it everywhere. This is a CULTURAL thing. It is not a good or bad thing. Most Chinese guys are used to it and pay it no mind. I'm pretty adaptable as a foreigner and, though it can be grating, I can deal. I can assure you, Winston, that you are not ready. Falcon and your dad know you better than I, but I have read most of your work. I believe you should listen to them.

[Yohan]

A lot of people who judge China from the outside or after only spending a few days in China make the mistake of:

1. Believing everything the Western Media paints about China. The western media is biased against China, and likes to play up the negative points but overlook the good ones. Part of the reason is that bad news sells, good news is generally not newsworthy.
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If China is as broken or dysfunctional a society as some of you make it out to be, then why are birth rates in China significantly higher, and divorce rates significantly lower than countries within or inflicted by the anglosphere? For instance, the divorce rate in America is 53% while in quite a few Western European countries, it is over 60%. It is only about 20% in China. There is no comparison.

Unfortunately there is often no other way but to believe the Western media, as all Chinese media are heavily censored, including the internet, statistics are often manipulated, just as it fits the Chinese Communist Party.

If you think you cannot trust Western media, I will tell you you cannot trust Chinese media either.
I see no reason why severely censored Chinese media are more trustworthy than Western media.

About divorce rates in China, I don't know anything about data in rural areas, but in Beijing the divorce rate is 39 percent, in Shanghai 38 percent and in Shenzhen 36 percent.

Divorce rate in China is nowadays quite similar to Japan and South Korea - to compare China with USA is rather misleading, better look up data in Asian countries.

You might compare the divorce rates in China with those of 35 percent in Taiwan and HongKong, I see no much difference to mainland China within the large cities. In Japan divorce rate is about 27 percent.

Using your argument about Chinese data, I might point out that the divorce rate in Philippines is ZERO, the lowest in this world.
Divorce does not exist in Philippine law.

[Yohan]

.....B im doing better in China than Philippines because in China im dating normal quality girls, not hookers or bar girls, and ive already had two girlfriends that were into me and still have other prospects as well. Plus ive met a lot of high quality Chinese girls and befriended them during my travels, which ive sent out photos of to my private wechat group.

Marcoszeitola,
You dont have dating experience in China to compare. I do. Ask rock and ethan_sg and zboy1 to compare.

Well, Winston, you did not mention in this comment that you are a Chinese yourself (Asian-American) and you can speak and read fluently Chinese.
This makes a huge difference to people like Marcos, who is white and does not know anything about the Chinese language.

Many Chinese women in mainland China are interested to meet only relatively wealthy overseas Chinese (living permanently in USA, UK, Australia etc.) and are often very reluctant to consider other men who do not fit this criteria.

Marcos has no dating experience in China, this is true, but why should he? He is happy with Philippines. About myself, I have dating experience with some Chinese girls outside of China (UK, Malaysia, Singapore - Cantonese, Hakka) and I was living with a Chinese family (Hokkien) together for 3 years in Malaysia and why do you think did I say good-bye to all of them and moved on to Japan? Simply said, Japan fits me better.

For sure, China might be a good destination for you and Chinese women might fit you best as you are of Chinese descent yourself, but for sure this is not true for everybody.