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I have to do the unthinkable and agree with Coontrarian here. Nothing personal, but theists have to accept that religion is outdated. It was used to inspire fear, promote order, and explain the unexplainable. The things we take for granted now would be called magic in the B.C. age. If we saw aliens from Pluto they would likely posses tech that would seem magical to us. Not to mention, as been said already, the ones who are the most religious end up being the most ungodly. I've seen it myself growing up. If the penalty for ungodliness is hell, there would be zero room for mistakes or 'sinful behaviour'.
Just my two pence.
The Grey Menace | Lone Wolf
Unless a person gets saved, he'll probably continue to think that heaven and hell aren't real. They are somehow fully convinced that God can't exist because of science.
And for many people, by the time they get the proof they want, their lives are already over, and it's too late to go back to make that choice over again. They may say to themselves that at least they will not be alone, because somehow they are deceived into thinking there will be fellowship for them in the sheol.
After a person gets saved (meaning they believe in Christ / have believed), Christ may reveal Himself to them, but rarely before then. A person should pray to God to ask what is the proper path, and then let God lead him or her to that proper path.
Remember that Satan is the god of this world, and he has prepared for the nations many deceptions meant to get them to believe that God is not real. This is the deception that will take a person down to the depths of Sheol.
As for promotion of order, following God's laws brings life and life in abundance. It is getting away from God's laws that brings death. For example, divorce ruins families and lives. Disciplining children for their evil, not because the parent hates them, yields a wiser child. Not charging any interest leads to freedom from slavery and usury.
And basically all God asks for are: Believe in His Son, then treat other people as you would have them treat you. Believe and love the brethren. Those are the only things God asks for really. Of course if you love your brother you're not going to murder him or steal from him. You're not going to slander him. That doesn't sound so bad to me.
As Christ has said, the main reason people don't want to believe is because their deeds are evil, they prefer darkness over light. They love the pleasure of unrighteousness more than they love the truth. For that reason alone God can reject them and send them strong delusions. Because at a certain point, He's no longer interested in them, and gives them over to their own desires, to work all unrighteousness with greediness. The rejected can abound in great works of evil that many of the deceived in this world mistakenly believe is great glory, and those who will be saved are mostly limited in how far they can go. Because God saves people, not beasts.
I don't know if I said this before, but religion frequently attacks sexuality because it's a volition. They usually want to be the "wellspring from which people flow." It's some kind of dynamism or impetus that isn't of their creation. Quite a few of these religious operators subconsciously see themselves as the God they supposedly "serve." If a religion is saying that God is the author of all action, what does that make them?
Another thing is that a lot of religions try to be backwards. Something that is "anti-nature" is seen as superior. So a man or a woman that doesn't have these drives, just like one that didn't come to exist in the "standard" way, is seen as superior.
As an overall, the concept of someone "bending their own fingers back for points" is a running theme in quite a few cultures & religions (and, of course, one can mandate the inclusion of the other- the muslims mandated that culture included islam & sharia would be interjected into the lifestyle, the Americans did it the other way around & synonymized their culture with the religion that was being dispensed to the tribes (like the idea of a culture that's against smoking making it out to be, without ever directly saying, that it's a sin to smoking in or anywhere near a church). So the trend of someone going against their urges would be infused, such that it can be at all (because it's impossible to be completely counter-intuitive, since someone in that case is NOT going against the urge to go against their urges) & that would include sex, simply because it's an urge & a rather strong one.