Leaving the West and Moving to Ukraine

[Voyager1]

I pay my sugar baby way more than market rate because we have an actual relationship

She makes you think you are in an actual relationship so she can keep "Sucker" coming

You're not in a real relationship if you have to pay her. Trust me. You're not.

[Gali]

I pay my sugar baby way more than market rate because we have an actual relationship

She makes you think you are in an actual relationship so she can keep "Sucker" coming

You're not in a real relationship if you have to pay her. Trust me. You're not.

At that age a good GFE is so difficult to get that it counts as a relationship even if it is not but it feels as one.

[slavicreaver]

I am glad you took it in the right spirit @slavicreaver and what you want isn't the moon on a spoon, it's achievable but it will need time and you will need to be cautious at first - you will be a target there if you leave yourself too open too soon, getting 'tourist taxed' where you are paying more than a local for rent, groceries, taxis etc is something most of us go through - especially in the developing world (which I would class Ukraine in...) where it's dog eat dog and you become accustomed to how much things are and you can walk away laughing and your language improves and during your day to day - you meet people and that's where you will meet these nice women - these things take time though.

Exactly! That's why I stress the importance of language and spending enough time there so that you start to get plugged into the local community. I figure if I stick around long enough, lightning will strike and I'll end up with a nice young Ukrainka GF.

[publicduende]

At that age a good GFE is so difficult to get that it counts as a relationship even if it is not but it feels as one.

I don't think @Shemp or @slavicreaver would care that much, anyway... In the end they're clear about what they want.

[publicduende]

First, as everyone in this forum knows, @Voyager1 is a pathetic failure in life and a mangina who women everywhere despise. He sets all these limitations on other men because of his envy. Losers in life lije him always envy winners. I suppose he might get a girlfriend in Ukraine. He might get one anywhere. But since like attracts like and since Voyager1 is pathetic, any girl he gets will be equally pathetic. So nobody here needs to worry about him as competition. Let him bottom feed all he wants.

As for 45yo, plenty of good looking ones in Kyiv. But these are usually discarded trophy wives with very high expectations for going out to restaurants, travel, gifts on special occasions, etc. All that boyfriend crap that I can't be bothered with anymore. Worst of all, I'd have to listen to her talk and possibly disagree with me. If I want to engage in arguments, thats what forums are for. I want a girl to show up, undress, cooperate in bed, nod her head at everything I say, no matter how stupid or crazy, never cause me grief, then disappear when I get bored with her. Some ex trophy wives might be capable of that, for the right price, but there would be a lengthy training period. Whereas my escort girl came already well-trained.

Well, I guess he has a point saying that a relationship where the girl would disappear instantly the moment the man stops with the "gifts", is not a romantic relationship. More a functional relationship, do ut des.

I think @Voyager1 is missing the point, which is that that kind of money-driven, detached relationship is exactly what you and maybe @slavicreaver are looking for. $100 for a "session" with a much younger, good looking girl isn't that much after all, especially if you can get down to business without spending maybe another $50 for a dinner or other preliminaries.

Yes, twice a week makes $800 a month, maybe $1000 including the small gifts and extras. It's not cheap in terms of the typical retiree on a pension of $2000 but if you or @slavicreaver have plenty of disposable income...your money your choices!

[slavicreaver]

At that age a good GFE is so difficult to get that it counts as a relationship even if it is not but it feels as one.

I don't think @Shemp or @slavicreaver would care that much, anyway... In the end they're clear about what they want.

@Shemp's motives are Shemp's. He's not there all the time and he's already stated how he has little patience nowadays for a lot of the attendant baggage/drama associated with a civilian girlfriend. Fair enough. I, on the other hand have not had my fill of that stuff. If I even go down the P4P route it would only be as a stopgap and an aid whilst I look for something more 'meaningful'.

[publicduende]

@Shemp's motives are Shemp's. He's not there all the time and he's already stated how he has little patience nowadays for a lot of the attendant baggage/drama associated with a civilian girlfriend. Fair enough. I, on the other hand have not had my fill of that stuff. If I even go down the P4P route it would only be as a stopgap and an aid whilst I look for something more 'meaningful'.

Lovely of you, that you're looking for something more meaningful. Just calibrate your expectations beforehand to avoid disappointment. Sexual services from a pretty 26 year-old are one thing. Having her as a stable girlfriend is another.