Leaving the West and Moving to Ukraine

[Shemp]

So to clarify - I could spend $100/meet, which to me means 3-4 hours. What kind of girl and age could I expect for that?

It's just a starting point. If you offer less, you might lose some good prospects, so I would suggest at least $100 gift as a starting point even for a girl who might accept $50, assuming the extra $50 won't create a budget problem.

Price is especially problematic with non professionals, because they don't know what to ask so you have to know what to offer. You need to avoid over-running your budget or you'll resent the girl. (My budget is huge, so this is never a problem for me if I like the girl, though I resent paying even a penny if I don't like her.) But you also need to avoid coming across as cheap or inexperienced.

[slavicreaver]

@Shemp

Got it. Thanks.

[publicduende]

So to clarify - I could spend $100/meet, which to me means 3-4 hours. What kind of girl and age could I expect for that?

It's just a starting point. If you offer less, you might lose some good prospects, so I would suggest at least $100 gift as a starting point even for a girl who might accept $50, assuming the extra $50 won't create a budget problem.

Price is especially problematic with non professionals, because they don't know what to ask so you have to know what to offer. You need to avoid over-running your budget or you'll resent the girl. (My budget is huge, so this is never a problem for me if I like the girl, though I resent paying even a penny if I don't like her.) But you also need to avoid coming across as cheap or inexperienced.

$100 (P5,000) is really not much even here in the Philippines. A dinner for two in a decent (not fine dining) restaurant franchise, with a bottle of wine, is easily around that figure.

What does $100 "buy" you in Ukraine, especially in big cities like Kyiv, Kharkiv or Odessa?

[publicduende]

It's not like 20-30 years ago where a 50 something could have a 20 something in Russia/Ukraine. The dynamic has changed. Choose a realistic age difference. Not more than 15 years. Still she will be dependent on you financially. Be prepared to pay and that's just normal women excluding scammers. There's got to be a reason for her to be with you.

As for prostitutes, that's not my game. I prefer to have a girlfriend wake up in my bed. I'm a morning sex type of person.

Considering your method, 60-yo @Shemp or @slavicreaver would have to settle for a 45 year-old? I can imagine very, very few women would still have enough finesse to make the date (and the buck) worthwhile, at that age...

[Cornfed]

$100 (P5,000) is really not much even here in the Philippines. A dinner for two in a decent (not fine dining) restaurant franchise, with a bottle of wine, is easily around that figure.

What a rip off. I imagine the quality has really gone down in both places as well. The little guy just can't catch a break any more.

[publicduende]

$100 (P5,000) is really not much even here in the Philippines. A dinner for two in a decent (not fine dining) restaurant franchise, with a bottle of wine, is easily around that figure.

What a rip off. I imagine the quality has really gone down in both places as well. The little guy just can't catch a break any more.

Quality of girls or quality of food?

[Shemp]

Considering your method, 60-yo @Shemp or @slavicreaver would have to settle for a 45 year-old? I can imagine very, very few women would still have enough finesse to make the date (and the buck) worthwhile, at that age...

First, as everyone in this forum knows, @Voyager1 is a pathetic failure in life and a mangina who women everywhere despise. He sets all these limitations on other men because of his envy. Losers in life lije him always envy winners. I suppose he might get a girlfriend in Ukraine. He might get one anywhere. But since like attracts like and since Voyager1 is pathetic, any girl he gets will be equally pathetic. So nobody here needs to worry about him as competition. Let him bottom feed all he wants.

As for 45yo, plenty of good looking ones in Kyiv. But these are usually discarded trophy wives with very high expectations for going out to restaurants, travel, gifts on special occasions, etc. All that boyfriend crap that I can't be bothered with anymore. Worst of all, I'd have to listen to her talk and possibly disagree with me. If I want to engage in arguments, thats what forums are for. I want a girl to show up, undress, cooperate in bed, nod her head at everything I say, no matter how stupid or crazy, never cause me grief, then disappear when I get bored with her. Some ex trophy wives might be capable of that, for the right price, but there would be a lengthy training period. Whereas my escort girl came already well-trained.

[publicduende]

I want a girl to show up, undress, cooperate in bed, nod her head at everything I say, no matter how stupid or crazy, never cause me grief, then disappear when I get bored with her.

LOL, that's what 99% of men secretly want and don't have the guts to admit it. To themselves first, then publicly, if anonymously.

So, in Ukraine, one can have a girl like that for $100 a session?

[Voyager1]

@slavicreaver don't listen to him. You don't want to go down that path. Believe me you will cause yourself a lot of trouble. Use the good dating sites mentioned here and you should be able to find someone.

[Cornfed]

@slavicreaver don't listen to him. You don't want to go down that path. Believe me you will cause yourself a lot of trouble. Use the good dating sites mentioned here and you should be able to find someone.

But what would he realistically have to offer Ukrainian females other than money? While it is not exactly true to say that all marriage is a form of whoring, in the case of a Western man in the Ukraine, would it not in fact be so?

[yick]

@Shemp has been spot on as usual, we have to remember that he is giving advice to man nearing 60 who wants girls in their twenties - he doesn't know the lie of the land and he might have a 100 hours of self taught Russian under his belt - his first job before thinking about getting his end away is to get himself set up, learn the ropes, try and get housing and know the prices of things because he is going to get reamed in the beginning - he will be paying 'tourist tax' for anything the locals can get away with - that can take a year or two to know the score, know where he is going, the price of things in the shops and of course he will have to wait and see if he can hack their winter - I couldn't! It is going to be a harsh expat baptism (has the OP ever been an expat before?)

Shemp's way might be the safest and most cost effective way for the OP - if he starts trawling the internet for dates with twentysomethings, he might get lucky but more than likely he is going to get scammed, set up, robbed, beaten up, his cards maxxed out at the ATM by big Boris and Ivan who turned up with little Alonya to protect their 'little sister' when they know where you live, they move in and then you're a target - people have been killed because they let their little head rule the big one and let me tell you, we have very few to no rights in a lot of these countries... so before OP starts thinking about age gaps is go there and see how he can operate out there - it is a lot more dangerous than Thailand and a lot more can happen to you as well.

I wouldn't say Ukraine is noob friendly for a first time expat but like a lot of us - he will have to learn his lessons the hard way. Good luck.

[slavicreaver]

But what would he realistically have to offer Ukrainian females other than money?

my dazzling wit and my long schlong

[Moretorque]

But what would he realistically have to offer Ukrainian females other than money?

my dazzling wit and my long schlong

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[slavicreaver]

we have to remember that he is giving advice to man nearing 60 who wants girls in their twenties - he doesn't know the lie of the land and he might have a 100 hours of self taught Russian under his belt - his first job before thinking about getting his end away is to get himself set up, learn the ropes, try and get housing and know the prices of things because he is going to get reamed in the beginning - he will be paying 'tourist tax' for anything the locals can get away with - that can take a year or two to know the score, know where he is going, the price of things in the shops and of course he will have to wait and see if he can hack their winter - I couldn't!

Ouch! That's a bit of a downer, but important points to consider nevertheless. You're right of course. I'm planning on moving there next spring so the emphasis on women at this point is only a form of anticipatory entertainment while I get my other ducks in a row.

When I arrive I'm going to stay at an Airbnb with a reputable host to start with. More expensive but safer while I get the lay of the land. I don't think it'll take a year though. Maybe 3 months to start becoming familiar with the way things work. Then I'll look to rent somewhere cheaper.

Winter - yes, an unknown quantity. Only way to know for sure is to live through it. If it's too much, no problem. 6 months in Kyiv and the rest in Europe/South America.

has the OP ever been an expat before?

Yes, not a complete newbie in this regard.

Shemp's way might be the safest and most cost effective way for the OP - if he starts trawling the internet for dates with twentysomethings, he might get lucky but more than likely he is going to get scammed, set up, robbed, beaten up, his cards maxxed out at the ATM by big Boris and Ivan who turned up with little Alonya to protect their 'little sister' when they know where you live, they move in and then you're a target - people have been killed because they let their little head rule the big one

Actually @yick, you are sobering me up. Not about whether I should do twentysomethings or not, but about the pace at which I should do things and how much caution I should exercise.

Thanks for the advice.

[yick]

we have to remember that he is giving advice to man nearing 60 who wants girls in their twenties - he doesn't know the lie of the land and he might have a 100 hours of self taught Russian under his belt - his first job before thinking about getting his end away is to get himself set up, learn the ropes, try and get housing and know the prices of things because he is going to get reamed in the beginning - he will be paying 'tourist tax' for anything the locals can get away with - that can take a year or two to know the score, know where he is going, the price of things in the shops and of course he will have to wait and see if he can hack their winter - I couldn't!

Ouch! That's a bit of a downer, but important points to consider nevertheless. You're right of course. I'm planning on moving there next spring so the emphasis on women at this point is only a form of anticipatory entertainment while I get my other ducks in a row.

When I arrive I'm going to stay at an Airbnb with a reputable host to start with. More expensive but safer while I get the lay of the land. I don't think it'll take a year though. Maybe 3 months to start becoming familiar with the way things work. Then I'll look to rent somewhere cheaper.

Winter - yes, an unknown quantity. Only way to know for sure is to live through it. If it's too much, no problem. 6 months in Kyiv and the rest in Europe/South America.

has the OP ever been an expat before?

Yes, not a complete newbie in this regard.

Shemp's way might be the safest and most cost effective way for the OP - if he starts trawling the internet for dates with twentysomethings, he might get lucky but more than likely he is going to get scammed, set up, robbed, beaten up, his cards maxxed out at the ATM by big Boris and Ivan who turned up with little Alonya to protect their 'little sister' when they know where you live, they move in and then you're a target - people have been killed because they let their little head rule the big one

Actually @yick, you are sobering me up. Not about whether I should do twentysomethings or not, but about the pace at which I should do things and how much caution I should exercise.

Thanks for the advice.

I am glad you took it in the right spirit @slavicreaver and what you want isn't the moon on a spoon, it's achievable but it will need time and you will need to be cautious at first - you will be a target there if you leave yourself too open too soon, getting 'tourist taxed' where you are paying more than a local for rent, groceries, taxis etc is something most of us go through - especially in the developing world (which I would class Ukraine in...) where it's dog eat dog and you become accustomed to how much things are and you can walk away laughing and your language improves and during your day to day - you meet people and that's where you will meet these nice women - these things take time though.

What I would do is regardless of what you like in a woman is make a list of what you want your future expat life to be - are food, weather, beaches, safety, ease of getting things done, chances of permanent residence etc and choose from those factors because nice looking women are in most places. Like @Shemp states, full time in the Ukraine is a pain in the ass so if you meet this woman and you love your life there then making your life there on a full time basis might become a problem - anyway, best of luck and keep on posting here! We need all the good posters we can get around these parts!