The Invention of the Jewish People

[ladislav]

Hmm, so do you think the future will still be in Europe/US? Because looks like the white race is dying and getting older and the economies are doing so badly. Whether it will recover or not remains to be seen. Maybe Asians will learn to be innovators, too. But it seems that everything is much more dynamic in Asia and it sure has more cash.

[ladislav]

Odbo, the Jews in Russia were treated badly. They were not allowed to till land, live in big cities or live in Russia period. That is why they were living in Ukraine or Lithuania, etc. Plus they could never become Russian. The pogroms were against common working folks- peddlers, cobblers, milkmen. These were not doing anything bad except just working. As far as a Satanic government based on the Talmud, well, I don't know. Never heard of it. Many either emigrated to the US where they became capitalists or became socialists/communists in Russia trying to achieve some kind of equality in that country. Which is like squaring a circle- they eventually declared all Jews a non-indigenous nationality that has no roots in the country. Same as in Indonesia with the Chinese born and raised there.

The Czar was a murderer with lots of blood on his hands. He did what the Syrian dictator is doing now- opening fire on peaceful demonstrators. He condoned pogroms against Jewish working folks resulting in numerous deaths of just simple human beings, not barons or bankers. He was a first rate criminal. and he suffered the same fate as Kaddafi.

Anyway, no one here is dealing with Jews, I also do not like living among them because it is a very toxic environment that they create, and I agree with you, but I do not think anything here on this forum is to discuss emigrating or not emigrating to Israel or countries where we have to deal with Jews. Most of us are either in Asia or are going there or are trying to get to Ukraine, or Latin America so we could date there. The only thing appropriate here would probably be something about how to use an Israeli passport for travel or how to avoid discrimination because of one's Jewish roots or something like that.

You are welcome to oppose the spread of USSR across the globe but you are attacking the windmills- 1) the USSR hated the Jews. 2) It is gone, except for N. Korea, Cuba and the nominally- communist China, Laos and VN. So, it is like fighting against smallpox. It is a struggle of the past. Let's worry more about how not to get shot by a terrorist on our next Middle Eastern contract. Or how not to get VD or something. Or where to go to make money.

Could you please share your travel and dating experiences with the rest of us? This would be a good contribution that anyone would welcome. Let us stay on course please!

[Adama]

Some things I dont understand. Why are the bankers always Jewish? And does that make the banks Jewish? If the Banks are Jewish, and it is quite obvious that the banks own western governments, then aren't our governments Jewish?

There is a man who self-immolated to death. His name is Thomas Ball. During his fight in the US legal system, he discovered that there are two sets of rules to the US legal system -- one for the public and one for the insiders (judges and lawyers). [ http://www.the-niceguy.com/forum/index. ... t&p=575798 ]

Also, even based on the Wikipedia info, as soon as the East EU Jews set foot in teh USA, they started agitating for socialism.


I also wonder whether the world would have taken this turn, if clans such as the Rothschilds and their morality had not taken hold of the world. Would the remaining monarchs have turned against the people like they have? Or would they have been happy with the system as it already was?

One could never say that every jewish person or even most of them are involved in scamming non-Jewish people. But history does show us that practically every evil social movement and major scam in the last 100 years or so has been because of a few Jewish people. Now whether or not they are just convenient agents of the Anglo-American empire, the Vatican or they just seek to crush Humanity just because, is something that is unknowable at the moment.

[Repatriate]

One could never say that every jewish person or even most of them are involved in scamming non-Jewish people. But history does show us that practically every evil social movement and major scam in the last 100 years or so has been because of a few Jewish people. Now whether or not they are just convenient agents of the Anglo-American empire, the Vatican or they just seek to crush Humanity just because, is something that is unknowable at the moment.

I've always felt the answer is much simpler. You have a large minority group of overachievers who are very tribalistic in their religion and culture who have been kicked out of every country they have ever settled in so far except for the U.S. The people start to develop certain mechanisms for survival and pursue occupations that give greater control of the system that is always trying to persecute them for mostly religious and social reasons. Naturally those individuals would go into finance, law, and media because those are obvious the doorways that lead into the halls of power in the world. Your average Ashkenzi Jew has also become smarter than the global average based on the emphasis on good breeding, high academic standards, and healthy living environment in the past 50 years.

It's sort of like how new asian immigrants in the U.S. all push their children to be doctors, engineers, etc.. from where they were brought up those occupations led to prosperity and social mobility.

I guess people can blame vast Jewish conspiracies or secret fantasy scrolls but I believe it's just basic human nature at work here.

[Adama]

One could never say that every jewish person or even most of them are involved in scamming non-Jewish people. But history does show us that practically every evil social movement and major scam in the last 100 years or so has been because of a few Jewish people. Now whether or not they are just convenient agents of the Anglo-American empire, the Vatican or they just seek to crush Humanity just because, is something that is unknowable at the moment.

I've always felt the answer is much simpler. You have a large minority group of overachievers who are very tribalistic in their religion and culture who have been kicked out of every country they have ever settled in so far except for the U.S. The people start to develop certain mechanisms for survival and pursue occupations that give greater control of the system that is always trying to persecute them for mostly religious and social reasons. Naturally those individuals would go into finance, law, and media because those are obvious the doorways that lead into the halls of power in the world. Your average Ashkenzi Jew has also become smarter than the global average based on the emphasis on good breeding, high academic standards, and healthy living environment in the past 50 years.

It's sort of like how new asian immigrants in the U.S. all push their children to be doctors, engineers, etc.. from where they were brought up those occupations led to prosperity and social mobility.

I guess people can blame vast Jewish conspiracies or secret fantasy scrolls but I believe it's just basic human nature at work here.

There is a vast global conspiracy. Whether or not it is Jewish is hard to determine.

I think you are being way too kind though. Those survival tactics are the very reason they are / were hated so much, because the tactics they employ often mean in some matter destroying the lives of the people in the host countries in which they reside. They have one system of ethics for those in their in-group, and a quite sociopathic set of ethics for all those they consider outsides.

[ladislav]

...who have been kicked out of every country they have ever settled in so far except for the U.S.

Many Old World European Christian countries and almost every Muslim country. And in the old times, when there was no separation of church and state. Now nobody is kicking them out. Do keep in mind that they were also kicking out other Christian denominations or killing them and they had wars between different Christian sects as well as persecutions of heretics- anyone who was against the Church or who they thought did not follow their way of teaching. And we do not need to start on Islam and how they hated anyone who was not Muslim and it was either convert or die and many chose to convert by the way. This is how Egypt became Muslim. Millions of Christians had to convert. Most Jews did not, but many did also.

Jews were not kicked out of:

India
China
Latin America
Australia
New Zealand
Canada
or anywhere else outside of the present day Islamic world. Lots and lots of countries have them and keep them.

And they are living normal lives as citizens of these countries with very little resentment except again in Muslim countries. Outside of Saudi, Kuwait and Jordan, etc, there is no problem as a rule.

So, this "having been kicked out of every country" thing is not exact and needs to be kept within the context of time/place.

The people start to develop certain mechanisms for survival and pursue occupations that give greater control of the system that is always trying to persecute them for mostly religious and social reasons.

And racial/genetic reasons.

Naturally those individuals would go into finance, law, and media because those are obvious the doorways that lead into the halls of power in the world.

and also because other occupations leading to success were closed to them.

Your average Ashkenazi Jew has also become smarter than the global average based on the emphasis on good breeding, high academic standards, and healthy living environment in the past 50 years.

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I am also amazed how an average American simply cannot see Jewish facial features and cannot tell Jews from other groups. And as the population dumbed down, so did the Jews rise to all these positions of power.




And also keep in mind that now they cannot discriminate by race but they used to back in the old days. No one would hire an Asian engineer in the 1930ies or allow them to have any business outside of a laundromat. And for a Jew to get a job in the 1950ies as an engineer was impossible. Also, they were not welcome in many good neighborhoods because they were for white people and not for the Semitic race. Such was the reason expressly given. Barely 20 years later, Jews, who used to be marked as Hebrews in censuses, disappeared from them, became "white", started writing in documents that they were of Russian and Polish ancestry * Levine, Katz and Goldberg are not Russian or Polish name, but what would an average American know) and declared that Jewish was not a race but a religion. The dumbed-down American public swallowed it hook line and sinker.

As far as the financial power:

Here are the 10 biggest banks in the world


1 BNP Paribas
France
2,669,906
12/31/10
2 Deutsche Bank
Germany
2,546,272
12/31/10
3 HSBC Holdings
United Kingdom
2,454,689
12/31/10
4 Barclays United Kingdom 2,331,943 12/31/10
5 The Royal Bank of Scotland Group United Kingdom 2,275,479 12/31/10
6 Bank of America United States 2,268,347 12/31/10
7 Crédit Agricole France 2,129,248 12/31/10
8 JPMorgan Chase United States 2,117,605 12/31/10
9 Industrial & Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) China 2,032,131 12/31/10
10 Citigroup United States 1,913,902 12/31/10

Hmm, how many of these are run by Jews?

Michel Pébereau (Chairman of BNP Paribas) does not sound Jewish to me.
Josef Akcermann who graduated from a St Helen University is not Jewish either.
Douglas Flint and
Stuart Gulliver of HSBC do not sound Jewish to me
Bank of America was started by Italian immigrants, not Jews. And the heads are Brian Moynihan and Charles Holiday. Some Jews these are.
Stuart Hester of Royal Bank of Scotland is Jewish? I don't think so.

Yeah, maybe this one is the Jewish one?




And the head of CITICORs is Vikram Pandit, from India. A Hindu!


Most bankers are Jewish? Hmm, seems like not.

[Repatriate]

There is a vast global conspiracy. Whether or not it is Jewish is hard to determine.

I think you are being way too kind though. Those survival tactics are the very reason they are / were hated so much, because the tactics they employ often mean in some matter destroying the lives of the people in the host countries in which they reside. They have one system of ethics for those in their in-group, and a quite sociopathic set of ethics for all those they consider outsides.

You could say the same thing about just about any other group on earth. Anglo nations were quite sociopathic when it came to imperialism and played game theory with millions of people's lives. Entire crop famines were introduced in India & China as a means to an end and concentration camps came into fashion during the Boer wars.. an invention of the British.

Japanese were brutal as well throughout history. Same in/out group dynamics in their culture too.

This isn't anything special or unique. The only difference is that Jews were more often than not put to death for their religion and cultural ways of living. I guess a comparable group would be Gypsies in Europe except that Gypsies adapted in a completely different way.

[Repatriate]

Many Old World European Christian countries and almost every Muslim country. And in the old times, when there was no separation of church and state. Now nobody is kicking them out. Do keep in mind that they were also kicking out other Christian denominations or killing them and they had wars between different Christian sects as well as persecutions of heretics- anyone who was against the Church or who they thought did not follow their way of teaching. And we do not need to start on Islam and how they hated anyone who was not Muslim and it was either convert or die and many chose to convert by the way. This is how Egypt became Muslim. Millions of Christians had to convert. Most Jews did not, but many did also.

Jews were not kicked out of:

India
China
Latin America
Australia
New Zealand
Canada
or anywhere else outside of the present day Islamic world. Lots and lots of countries.

True, but I was referring mostly to the distant past (60-100+ years ago) and not modern day times when things have changed dramatically. Plus Jews had a very different presence in the Asian nations in particular. Chinese Jews basically looked Chinese and there was no evidence that a large group of ethnically semetic Jews lived non integrated in the greater Chinese community. Maybe originally this was true but who knows? That's really ancient history we're talking about.

I know about the Shanghai Jewish settlement as well but that was due to very unnatural circumstances and strange colonial boundaries being drawn during the war.

I framed Jewish persecution more in terms of religion because I know back in the day especially the medieval and following eras that passion plays and other forms of religious dogma popularized Jewish discrimination. It was popular to blame Jews for killing Jesus even back in. That narrative sort of carried over into other dealings when Jews were the primary money-lenders etc.. The biggest issue with Jews can all be traced to economics though. A lot of them were usury lenders in various kingdoms and city-states that frowned upon such things based on religious or social principles. Thus, it was easy to blame your primary lender when you wanted a convenient way to default.

And racial/genetic reasons.

The racial/genetic thing is a more recent invention and based on imperialist racial pseudo-science of the 18th-19th century. A lot of modern day racialism is directly influenced by the hierarchies introduced from this colonial system.

Here are the biggest banks in the world

Rank Bank
Country
Total Assets ($m)
Statement Date
1 BNP Paribas
France
2,669,906
12/31/10
2 Deutsche Bank
Germany
2,546,272
12/31/10
3 HSBC Holdings
United Kingdom
2,454,689
12/31/10
4 Barclays United Kingdom 2,331,943 12/31/10
5 The Royal Bank of Scotland Group United Kingdom 2,275,479 12/31/10
6 Bank of America United States 2,268,347 12/31/10
7 Crédit Agricole France 2,129,248 12/31/10
8 JPMorgan Chase United States 2,117,605 12/31/10
9 Industrial & Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) China 2,032,131 12/31/10
10 Citigroup United States 1,913,902 12/31/10

Hmm, how many of these are run by Jews?

If you were to look at the boards of those major banks they have a bunch of well entrenched multi-generation wealthy anglo families sitting on the boards. HSBC was a colonial institution for a really long time until the 1970's when ethnic Chinese Hong Kong Tycoons finally took it over.

Actually, you could say there's more of an anglo/commonwealth conspiracy than a Jewish conspiracy.

[ladislav]

I framed Jewish persecution more in terms of religion because I know back in the day especially the medieval and following eras that passion plays and other forms of religious dogma popularized Jewish discrimination. It was popular to blame Jews for killing Jesus even back in. That narrative sort of carried over into other dealings when Jews were the primary money-lenders etc.. The biggest issue with Jews can all be traced to economics though. A lot of them were usury lenders in various kingdoms and city-states that frowned upon such things based on religious or social principles. Thus, it was easy to blame your primary lender when you wanted a convenient way to default.

You know, you are right. In the city of L'viv where I was born, there is a large Armenian community and they were not bothered. They look very Jewish- long noses, black curly hair but they have been treated well.

Actually, you could say there's more of an anglo/commonwealth conspiracy than a Jewish conspiracy.

And the pogroms on Anglos ( poor Anglo males, that is )are in full swing now.

[fox]

Ok I haven't read all the comments but I will say something about Jewish people and money....
First of all not all Jewish people are rich- anyone who has been to Israel and saw the poor neighborhoods (for example) would know it...

There are far more rich Arab people than Jewish people - esp. Arabs who have oil companies in places like
Saudi Arabia (but not only....). The Jewish people who became rich bulit themselves up - most of them were not born into families who have oil or other stuff.

There is a reason why Jewish people want money and it has to do with Collective memory:

It goes back to the Middle Ages, long before anybody acknowledged the fact of the time value of money. Feudal lords, for example, needed money to plant their crops, at a season when they might not have much cash on hand......

At the same period of time, Jews were generally not permitted to own or work the land, which was really the only way to support a family back then. With regret, Jews often turned to the practice of lending money to gentiles on interest. The Torah permitted the practice, but Jewish money lenders knew that their business was viewed as less than noble.

Moreover, the practice of money lending often cast Jews in a bad light, in the eyes of their Christian neighbors. Too many times in our history, Jewish people were persecuted, even murdered or expelled from their homes, when the Christians to whom they lent money could not repay the loans. Even more often, when wealthy medieval lords faced an economic crunch, they continued to live high on the hog, while their serfs suffered. When the poor workers would begin to rebel, they would be told not to blame the wealthy Christian land owners, but rather that the fault rested with supposedly greedy Jewish money lenders.

Another reason is that the Jews were always persecuted and often faced exile: so they had to make money and save money fast because their future was always uncertain.

If I lived in England and I knew that one day the king or queen might decide to exile me just because I'm Jewish (and I knew that it can happen in any country)- I would have to think of ways to make money and fast because they might send me to exile tomarrow....

Of course today the world is changed and slowly this kind of thinking is starting to change But it's hard to erase Collective memory that goes back hundreds of years...

[Adama]

So they were never expunged from India? Surely that cancels out everything I wrote above. Nicely done.

[odbo]

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[Repatriate]

And the pogroms on Anglos ( poor Anglo males, that is )are in full swing now.

Have you read any of Howard Zinn's stuff on history? The twin pillars of anglo society is racism and classism. Racism is used to divide and conquer various groups up into easily manipulated voting blocs that support mainly the wealthy elite class. When race becomes less relevant then classism is used for the same purpose.

[odbo]

There is a reason why Jewish people want money and it has to do with Collective memory:

Jews are not hated because they have money. They are hated because of how they got the money, and what they do with it. When you're making $100,000 a year and still receiving government food stamps at the tax payer's expense, it's not because of some collective memory, it's because there's no end to your greed. Jews are known for stealing from their employers, their customers, or their workers if they own the company. This isn't some hateful stereotype, it's just a reality when dealing with Jews. What do you expect when their religious guidebook, the Talmud, condones and even encourages stealing from non-Jews.

It goes back to the Middle Ages, long before anybody acknowledged the fact of the time value of money. Feudal lords, for example, needed money to plant their crops, at a season when they might not have much cash on hand......

At the same period of time, Jews were generally not permitted to own or work the land, which was really the only way to support a family back then. With regret, Jews often turned to the practice of lending money to gentiles on interest.

In the English feudal system, the serfs were taxed (of their crops) so badly that they could barely feed themselves. The average height of an adult male was around 5 feet tall because of how badly they were malnourished. To this day the elites call us "little people" as a result. To claim that Jews suffered from not getting to be illiterate farmers at the very bottom of the hierarchy is not being honest.

The Torah permitted the practice, but Jewish money lenders knew that their business was viewed as less than noble.

The Torah permitted the practice of lending at interest to non Jews. How convenient. Christians and Muslims are still forbidden from Usury or Riba.

Moreover, the practice of money lending often cast Jews in a bad light, in the eyes of their Christian neighbors. Too many times in our history, Jewish people were persecuted, even murdered or expelled from their homes, when the Christians to whom they lent money could not repay the loans.

Their Christian neighbors happened to be exemplary citizens. Last time I checked there weren't any deadbeat niggers in medieval Europe to loan money to. The problem is Jews invented fractional reserve banking, one of their few contributions to mankind, dry bagels and the nuclear bomb being another (though I'm pretty sure they just stole the bomb from the Germans). After many decades of having their blood sucked, the white man would kick "the chosen people" out. People bailing on their debt is certainly not limited to Jews. The English monarchy would starve entire armies of their own men (after they had done their job and won some spoils) just so they wouldn't have to pay them. A few hundred thousand dead men is a small price to pay for some new jewellery.

[fox]

This isn't some hateful stereotype, it's just a reality when dealing with Jews. What do you expect when their religious guidebook, the Talmud, condones and even encourages stealing from non-Jews.

What the f**k are you talking about?
the Talmud doesn't say that. In fact, to steal (from anyone) is a sin according to the Torah.
And I know about Talmud better than you (beleive it or not...)

It's clear that you have no idea what you are talking about.

You are just a broke and frustrated dude - I'm done with this thread. Believe whatever you want...

If I were you I would go get a job instead of wasting time masturbating on some theories.