The explanation of cancer

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Let's not forget Dr Hamer's theory about trauma-induced cancer. Every one of us probably knows of a few people who developed cancer very rapidly soon after a major, life-altering event:

• loss of a loved one is a common one (Dr Hamer himself lost his son, who was killed by mistake, and developed cancer)
• the pain of living with someone dying with cancer (quite common, one partner gets cancer, the other will get it too)
• some major displacement, like being arrested, or having to be uprooted from your life routine.

I like to think that all of these are legit causes: diet and lifestyle related, stress and trauma related, environment related.

[Cornfed]

The specific cause is irrelevant to what is being talked about in the OP.

[publicduende]

The specific cause is irrelevant to what is being talked about in the OP.

We are saying that sugar intake may not be the only explanation. It might be interesting to consider the different factors in terms of how much they weight on the overall likelihood of getting cancer in one's lifetime. I am no MD or expert but I can imagine that there is not an easy answer to this.

As average people, we can just try and minimise exposure to any of the factors listed above: no excessive stress, no living in a polluted area, good diet and regular exercise, no smoking and drinking, etc. The problem is that, as @kangarunner flamboyantly said, too much discipline and too strict a life routine tends to skim off the enjoyable, risky edge of one's own existence.

[Cornfed]

The specific cause is irrelevant to what is being talked about in the OP.

We are saying that sugar intake may not be the only explanation. It might be interesting to consider the different factors in terms of how much they weight on the overall likelihood of getting cancer in one's lifetime. I am no MD or expert but I can imagine that there is not an easy answer to this.

As average people, we can just try and minimise exposure to any of the factors listed above: no excessive stress, no living in a polluted area, good diet and regular exercise, no smoking and drinking, etc. The problem is that, as @kangarunner flamboyantly said, too much discipline and too strict a life routine tends to skim off the enjoyable, risky edge of one's own existence.

It is as if I brought up the subject of head trauma and people wanted to debate the slipping over in the shower theory vs. the slipping on the steps theory. Why must people be so stupid?

[publicduende]

It is as if I brought up the subject of head trauma and people wanted to debate the slipping over in the shower theory vs. the slipping on the steps theory. Why must people be so stupid?

You called the thread "the explanation of cancer", so the topic drifted towards possible explanations of cancer. Your sugar theory may be a very plausible one but, as you could see, everyone here seems to have different opinions. Looking up on the literature, down to the last conspiracy blog, no two people seem to have pinned down a single cause that can explain cancer.

Totally agree with you that no society will want to overly promote a sane lifestyle, banning food containing excess sugar, for the fear of losing the golden goose of the cancer industry.

Yet, as for the possible causes, I don't think we can point to a single explanation.

[Cornfed]

It is as if I brought up the subject of head trauma and people wanted to debate the slipping over in the shower theory vs. the slipping on the steps theory. Why must people be so stupid?

You called the thread "the explanation of cancer", so the topic drifted towards possible explanations of cancer. Your sugar theory may be a very plausible one but, as you could see, everyone here seems to have different opinions. Looking up on the literature, down to the last conspiracy blog, no two people seem to have pinned down a single cause that can explain cancer.

In the same way as the single cause of head trauma is the head contacting some hardish object at speed, the single cause of cancer is prolonged cellular metabolic sublethal stress. Of course there can be many proximal causes of both, but that is irrelevant.

[publicduende]

In the same way as the single cause of head trauma is the head contacting some hardish object at speed, the single cause of cancer is prolonged cellular metabolic sublethal stress. Of course there can be many proximal causes of both, but that is irrelevant.

You imply that "the treatment is therefore to stop eating sugar, thus depriving the cancer of food, as well as to remove the source of metabolic stress that caused the problem in the first place, which is often also eating sugar and other crap.". You really believe that stopping eating sugar is totally sufficient to reduce the risk of cancer to zero?

[Cornfed]

In the same way as the single cause of head trauma is the head contacting some hardish object at speed, the single cause of cancer is prolonged cellular metabolic sublethal stress. Of course there can be many proximal causes of both, but that is irrelevant.

You imply that "the treatment is therefore to stop eating sugar, thus depriving the cancer of food, as well as to remove the source of metabolic stress that caused the problem in the first place, which is often also eating sugar and other crap.". You really believe that stopping eating sugar is totally sufficient to reduce the risk of cancer to zero?

It is the major treatment that should always be applied. It may not be sufficient depending on other stresses or what damage has already been done.

[publicduende]

It is the major treatment that should always be applied. It may not be sufficient depending on other stresses or what damage has already been done.

Very hard to apply in countries like the US where refined sugars and corn syrup are everywhere. How are you getting on with your diet and exercise in Mexico?

[Cornfed]

BTW, you could understand cancer as a breakdown of the social contract between individual cells and the body analogous to a breakdown of the social contract between individual people and society. Generally in society people are required to not just take what they want. If you see an item you are required not to just take it, if you see an attractive girl you are required not to just rape her etc. In return you are protected and given acceptable pathways to get what you need to survive. However, if you are simply not given what you need to live a normal life - no job, sex etc. - via the system, eventually some people are going to give up on the society, stop obeying the rules and find alternative albeit generally less efficient means of getting stuff. This is what cancerous cells do.

[Cornfed]

It is the major treatment that should always be applied. It may not be sufficient depending on other stresses or what damage has already been done.

Very hard to apply in countries like the US where refined sugars and corn syrup are everywhere.

Right, so people who can't or won't apply it need to die of cancer, as is the intention of the regime.

How are you getting on with your diet and exercise in Mexico?

Fairly strong and healthy on a carnivore diet, currently trying to wean myself off milky coffee.

[josephty2]

BTW, you could understand cancer as a breakdown of the social contract between individual cells and the body analogous to a breakdown of the social contract between individual people and society. Generally in society people are required to not just take what they want. If you see an item you are required not to just take it, if you see an attractive girl you are required not to just rape her etc. In return you are protected and given acceptable pathways to get what you need to survive. However, if you are simply not given what you need to live a normal life - no job, sex etc. - via the system, eventually some people are going to give up on the society, stop obeying the rules and find alternative albeit generally less efficient means of getting stuff. This is what cancerous cells do.

You're describing something closer to stroke not cancer.

[Cornfed]

You're describing something closer to stroke not cancer.

A stroke is an interruption of blood to the brain, so no, that is completely different.

[publicduende]

How are you getting on with your diet and exercise in Mexico?

Fairly strong and healthy on a carnivore diet, currently trying to wean myself off milky coffee.

I would love a carnivore diet. Some people would swear consumption of red meat is one of the main causes of cancer.

[Cornfed]

I would love a carnivore diet. Some people would swear consumption of red meat is one of the main causes of cancer.

Which is really bizarre and insane.