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galii wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 7:02 am
MrMan wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 6:00 am
galii wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 12:58 am
halnovemila wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 12:28 am
Yohan wrote:
November 12th, 2023, 8:17 am

@Winston

I don't care what kind of video people or companies upload on YouTube in the USA about covid-19.
However some false claims by anti-vaxxers - for example covid-19 virus does not exist - were deleted by Youtube. This virus does exist and was many times isolated and researched, electronic microscope is necessary, the virus cannot be seen otherwise.

Here in Japan nobody cares, if you are vaccinated or not.

However if somebody claims in the media that Covid-19 vaccine has injured people causing blood clots and even death etc., he should offer at least some proof for that, he should offer some reliable precise research data and not only empty talk.
Some research data for you, kindly provided here by me on a silver plate (usually people do their own research, as today if you search you can easily find while comfortably sitting anywhere in your home)

1000 links
Thousand Scientific Studies About Vaccines

Cerebral venous thrombosis after COVID-19 vaccination in the UK: a multicentre cohort study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 1)01608-1/

Vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia with disseminated intravascular coagulation and death after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5721003414

Fatal cerebral hemorrhage after COVID-19 vaccine: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33928772/

Myocarditis after mRNA vaccination against SARS-CoV-2, a case series: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2221000409

Three cases of acute venous thromboembolism in women after vaccination against COVID-19: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3X21003929

Acute thrombosis of the coronary tree after vaccination against COVID-19: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9821003988

US case reports of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis with thrombocytopenia after vaccination with Ad26.COV2.S (against covid-19), March 2 to April 21, 2020: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33929487/

Portal vein thrombosis associated with ChAdOx1 nCov-19 vaccine: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lang ... 1)00197-7/

Management of cerebral and splanchnic vein thrombosis associated with thrombocytopenia in subjects previously vaccinated with Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca): position statement of the Italian Society for the Study of Hemostasis and Thrombosis (SISET): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33871350/

Vaccine-induced immune immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia and cerebral venous sinus thrombosis after vaccination with COVID-19; a systematic review: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0X21003014

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome associated with COVID-19 vaccines: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5721004381

Covid-19 vaccine-induced thrombosis and thrombocytopenia: a commentary on an important and practical clinical dilemma: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2021000505

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome associated with COVID-19 viral vector vaccines: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0521001904

COVID-19 vaccine-induced immune-immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia: an emerging cause of splanchnic vein thrombosis: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8121000557

The roles of platelets in COVID-19-associated coagulopathy and vaccine-induced immune thrombotic immune thrombocytopenia (covid): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3821000967

Roots of autoimmunity of thrombotic events after COVID-19 vaccination: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 7221002160

Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis after vaccination: the United Kingdom experience: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 8/fulltext

Thrombotic immune thrombocytopenia induced by SARS-CoV-2 vaccine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejme2106315

Myocarditis after immunization with COVID-19 mRNA vaccines in members of the US military. This article reports that in “23 male patients, including 22 previously healthy military members, myocarditis was identified within 4 days after receipt of the vaccine”: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaca ... le/2781601

Thrombosis and thrombocytopenia after vaccination with ChAdOx1 nCoV-19: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... ed_article

Association of myocarditis with the BNT162b2 messenger RNA COVID-19 vaccine in a case series of children: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34374740/

Thrombotic thrombocytopenia after vaccination with ChAdOx1 nCov-19: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... ed_article

Post-mortem findings in vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia (covid-19): https://haematologica.org/article/view/ ... 021.279075

the remaining 980 studies are listed here:

https://justpaste.it/LethalVaccine
Without a meta analyses this is worthless for a normal person. A normal person can not understand this.
I am not against meta-analysis, but if a normal person can red a meta-analysis, why couldn't that person read the research papers? It's not like meta-analysis is any more comprehensible without some training in advanced statistics and the jargon and methodologies used in the field of study.

Meta-analysis also suffers from the round file problem. Statistically non-significant results would make sense to include in a meta-analysis, but what journal is going to accept a paper with all non-significant results? (Seriously, I want to know that for my own field of study. Getting papers out would be much easier.) That data would be useful. The papers used for meta-analysis would have to be measuring the same thing, more or less.

Be that as it may, if someone is interested, he can look at every paper, above.
No one has time to read 100s of scientific papers. Most guys here don't even believe that the virus exists. At least with a meta analysis you have an idea if the shots are worth the risks.
They would have to include studies that measure the same variables and group them consistency. If it's specifically about myacardia, for example, they might be able to do that.


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Re: Risks of the Covid vaccine

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Well...Topic is boring now. I believe we have much
more serious and pressing matters to contend with.
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Re: Risks of the Covid vaccine

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MrMan wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 11:49 am
galii wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 7:02 am
MrMan wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 6:00 am
galii wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 12:58 am
halnovemila wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 12:28 am


Some research data for you, kindly provided here by me on a silver plate (usually people do their own research, as today if you search you can easily find while comfortably sitting anywhere in your home)

1000 links
Thousand Scientific Studies About Vaccines

Cerebral venous thrombosis after COVID-19 vaccination in the UK: a multicentre cohort study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 1)01608-1/

Vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia with disseminated intravascular coagulation and death after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5721003414

Fatal cerebral hemorrhage after COVID-19 vaccine: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33928772/

Myocarditis after mRNA vaccination against SARS-CoV-2, a case series: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2221000409

Three cases of acute venous thromboembolism in women after vaccination against COVID-19: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3X21003929

Acute thrombosis of the coronary tree after vaccination against COVID-19: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9821003988

US case reports of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis with thrombocytopenia after vaccination with Ad26.COV2.S (against covid-19), March 2 to April 21, 2020: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33929487/

Portal vein thrombosis associated with ChAdOx1 nCov-19 vaccine: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lang ... 1)00197-7/

Management of cerebral and splanchnic vein thrombosis associated with thrombocytopenia in subjects previously vaccinated with Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca): position statement of the Italian Society for the Study of Hemostasis and Thrombosis (SISET): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33871350/

Vaccine-induced immune immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia and cerebral venous sinus thrombosis after vaccination with COVID-19; a systematic review: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0X21003014

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome associated with COVID-19 vaccines: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5721004381

Covid-19 vaccine-induced thrombosis and thrombocytopenia: a commentary on an important and practical clinical dilemma: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2021000505

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome associated with COVID-19 viral vector vaccines: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 0521001904

COVID-19 vaccine-induced immune-immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia: an emerging cause of splanchnic vein thrombosis: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8121000557

The roles of platelets in COVID-19-associated coagulopathy and vaccine-induced immune thrombotic immune thrombocytopenia (covid): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3821000967

Roots of autoimmunity of thrombotic events after COVID-19 vaccination: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 7221002160

Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis after vaccination: the United Kingdom experience: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 8/fulltext

Thrombotic immune thrombocytopenia induced by SARS-CoV-2 vaccine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejme2106315

Myocarditis after immunization with COVID-19 mRNA vaccines in members of the US military. This article reports that in “23 male patients, including 22 previously healthy military members, myocarditis was identified within 4 days after receipt of the vaccine”: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaca ... le/2781601

Thrombosis and thrombocytopenia after vaccination with ChAdOx1 nCoV-19: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... ed_article

Association of myocarditis with the BNT162b2 messenger RNA COVID-19 vaccine in a case series of children: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34374740/

Thrombotic thrombocytopenia after vaccination with ChAdOx1 nCov-19: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... ed_article

Post-mortem findings in vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia (covid-19): https://haematologica.org/article/view/ ... 021.279075

the remaining 980 studies are listed here:

https://justpaste.it/LethalVaccine
Without a meta analyses this is worthless for a normal person. A normal person can not understand this.
I am not against meta-analysis, but if a normal person can red a meta-analysis, why couldn't that person read the research papers? It's not like meta-analysis is any more comprehensible without some training in advanced statistics and the jargon and methodologies used in the field of study.

Meta-analysis also suffers from the round file problem. Statistically non-significant results would make sense to include in a meta-analysis, but what journal is going to accept a paper with all non-significant results? (Seriously, I want to know that for my own field of study. Getting papers out would be much easier.) That data would be useful. The papers used for meta-analysis would have to be measuring the same thing, more or less.

Be that as it may, if someone is interested, he can look at every paper, above.
No one has time to read 100s of scientific papers. Most guys here don't even believe that the virus exists. At least with a meta analysis you have an idea if the shots are worth the risks.
They would have to include studies that measure the same variables and group them consistency. If it's specifically about myacardia, for example, they might be able to do that.
Actually there are meta analysis there. AI bing gave me some of it. I didn't post it because I don't think halnueva is interested in them. He seems to be biased in that topic and I don't care about the covid stuff too much anyway.
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galii wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 12:58 am
Without a meta analyses this is worthless for a normal person. A normal person can not understand this.
This is surely true, nobody without some medical studies can understand such links in detail posted by HALNOVEMILA.
However such research links are still an acceptable reply from a person who does not agree with my opinion and for true much more respectful and free of abusive comments - compare that to other replies I received from anti-vaxxers, just read back.

Cornfed wrote a brainless one-liner - 'shut up you senile idiot....'
WanderingProtagonist - 'Yohan is crazy'
etc.

Of course such comments will not change my mind at all, such replies are worthless, just good enough to disregard...
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halnovemila wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 12:28 am
Some research data for you, kindly provided here by me on a silver plate (usually people do their own research, as today if you search you can easily find while comfortably sitting anywhere in your home)
.....
the remaining 980 studies are listed here:
https://justpaste.it/LethalVaccine
Well, thanks for your reply, I appreciate that, but these links are related more to UK, USA, India, China etc, but not about how Covid-19 is researched in Japan and Korea. Situation is not the same worldwide.

Japanese standard to a vaccine to be approved for public use is much stricter than in most countries worldwide.

It's not a silver plate anyway you present to me, as I have to filter them out which ones could apply to Japan too and which ones clearly do not.

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Many links from you are about viral vector vaccines (AstraZeneca and Johnson), but Johnson vaccine failed to be approved from the beginning on in Japan and AstraZeneca was recalled, first for everyone younger than 40 y/o and only on request with a lower dose, but now it is not in use anymore.

As far as I know no vector vaccine is now in use in Japan, outdated vaccine because it was found in Japanese testing that it might cause trombosis.

This link for example you gave me makes no sense for Japan.

It is more than 2 years old, and mainly about vaccine which is not available in Japan.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 1)01608-1/
Introduction
Globally, more than 4·1 million people have died from COVID-19.
1 In response to this public health emergency, several vaccines against COVID-19 have been developed, with more than 3·7 billion doses administered worldwide.
2 After the introduction of the adenovirus vector vaccine ChAdOx1 (Oxford–AstraZeneca), five cases of severe venous thrombosis with thrombocytopenia were reported in Norway, each starting 7–10 days after administration of the first vaccine dose. Four of these cases had cerebral venous sinus thrombosis.
3 This syndrome has since been termed vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT).
3, 4, 5 A similar condition has been described with another adenovirus vector vaccine, Ad26.COV2.S (Johnson & Johnson).

Findings
Between April 1 and May 20, 2021, we received data on 99 patients from collaborators in 43 hospitals across the UK.
Or another link
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... ed_article
published on April 9, 2021,
Thrombosis and Thrombocytopenia after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 Vaccination
(Rem ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine = AstraZeneca)

Although rare, VITT is a new phenomenon with devastating effects for otherwise healthy young adults and requires a thorough risk–benefit analysis. The findings of our study indicate that VITT may be more frequent than has been found in previous studies in which the safety of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine has been investigated.12

Summary
We report findings in five patients who presented with venous thrombosis and thrombocytopenia 7 to 10 days after receiving the first dose of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 adenoviral vector vaccine against coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19). The patients were health care workers who were 32 to 54 years of age. All the patients had high levels of antibodies to platelet factor 4–polyanion complexes; however, they had had no previous exposure to heparin. Because the five cases occurred in a population of more than 130,000 vaccinated persons, we propose that they represent a rare vaccine-related variant of spontaneous heparin-induced thrombocytopenia that we refer to as vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia.
Even your link claims that five patients out of more than 130.000 vaccinated persons means it is about a rare complication.
It's about a study, more than 2 years ago and about a vaccine which is not in use in Japan....


So far approved in Japan are only 3 vaccines for the no.7 vaccination (omicron XBB1.5)

1 - imported Pfizer Comirnaty mRNA
2 - in Japan produced Moderna mRNA (Takeda Spikevax)
3 - in Japan developed Takeda Nuvaxovid (not mRNA)

and so far more than 11.500.000 people accepted this no. 7 vaccination already, and totally more than 422.000.000 shots were administered in Japan so far.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/special/cor ... /progress/
(Japanese only)

Please filter out your 1000+ links which are NOT about these 3 vaccines, remove old links and other links to medical studies which make no sense as such vaccines are not in use in Japan.
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galii wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 7:02 am
No one has time to read 100s of scientific papers. Most guys here don't even believe that the virus exists. At least with a meta analysis you have an idea if the shots are worth the risks.
The question is not only about if the shots are worth the risks, but what vaccine is being used.
About risks, up to you, at least here in Japan.
https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/covid-19/vac ... %20effects.
Official guideline,
Ministry of Health, Japan
Consent to vaccination
Although we encourage all citizens to receive the COVID-19 vaccination, it is not compulsory or mandatory. Vaccination will be given only with the consent of the person to be vaccinated after the information provided. Please get vaccinated of your own decision, understanding both the effectiveness in preventing infectious diseases and the risk of side effects. No vaccination will be given without consent. Please do not force anyone in your workplace or those who around you to be vaccinated, and do not discriminate against those who have not been vaccinated.

I think there are about 20 different covid-19 vaccines, some produced under rather questionable conditions.

I can only say, so far only 3 vaccines passed the very strict testing in Japan and were approved for use to the public.

Some were found to be not very effective (made in China) - others refused to provide information about production and used substances (Russia),
or were found to be dangerous under rare conditions (UK AstraZeneca) or Johnson (made in Netherlands, never approved in Japan, now also not in use in USA)

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biol ... 0the%20FDA
On May 22, 2023, Janssen Biotech, Inc. requested the voluntary withdrawal of the emergency use authorization (EUA) of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. Janssen Biotech, Inc. informed the FDA that the last lots of the vaccine purchased by the U.S. Government have expired, there is no demand for new lots of the vaccine in the U.S., and they do not intend to update the strain composition of this vaccine to address emerging variants. On June 1, 2023, FDA revoked the EUA for this vaccine.
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If you took the shot, you're an idiot simply because you put no thought into an untested vial of goop going into your blood stream. I never took the shot and I'll never take any shot in the future.
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kangarunner wrote:
November 15th, 2023, 8:50 pm
If you took the shot, you're an idiot simply because you put no thought into an untested vial of goop going into your blood stream. I never took the shot and I'll never take any shot in the future.
It is up to you if you refuse to be vaccinated. I don't care.

To claim however that covid-19 vaccines were not tested before being approved to use for humans is plainly wrong.

First a new vaccine or drug (same with covid-19 vaccines) is given to people, it is tested in a laboratory.

After it’s tested in people in clinical trials - 3 times.

Phase 1 is done in a small group of people.
Phase 2 tests the vaccine in more people to research especially about side effects.
Phase 3 the vaccine is tested in thousands of people.

Pfizer Comirnaty clinical trial took place in North and South America and South Africa with more than 46000 people.

Now in Japan alone, after approval incl. clinical trials in Japan and other parts in Asia the vaccine of totally 424 million shots was administered to more than 104 million people.

To call people idiots, because they prefer vaccination to prevent illness is a bit over the top.
Medical research and development of new drugs and vaccines is very important, nobody can deny that.
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Yohan wrote:
November 12th, 2023, 8:17 am
Winston wrote:
November 11th, 2023, 4:42 am
How come YouTube is allowing videos and news reports now about how the Covid Vaccine has injured people and caused blood clots?
@Winston

I don't care what kind of video people or companies upload on YouTube in the USA about covid-19.
However some false claims by anti-vaxxers - for example covid-19 virus does not exist - were deleted by Youtube. This virus does exist and was many times isolated and researched, electronic microscope is necessary, the virus cannot be seen otherwise.

Here in Japan nobody cares, if you are vaccinated or not.

However if somebody claims in the media that Covid-19 vaccine has injured people causing blood clots and even death etc., he should offer at least some proof for that, he should offer some reliable precise research data and not only empty talk.

Vaccines against covid-19 are not the same, we cannot talk about 'Covid-19 vaccine in general' as there is not only one vaccine existing - but about 25 vaccines are produced worldwide by the pharma industries.

In Japan only 4 vaccines are fully approved. So far 104 million Japanese received approx. 422 million covid-19 vaccine shots.

3 of them are mRNA, but Nuvaxovid/produced by Takeda Pharma in Japan is NOT mRNA, but recombinant protein vaccine

If you want to claim that 'these vaccines' against covid-19 are not helpful and even damaging your healthy body, you have at least to explain which vaccine was it, who is the patient who says this, what happened with this patient etc. - this is easy, as every person vaccinated against covid-19 can request for free a covid-19 vaccine certificate where all these detail of the vaccine used are listed.

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I was starting in Juli 2021 with my first covid-19 vaccination (Pfizer) and my last no. 7 vaccination was on
November 8th, 2023 Pfizer, Omicron XBB1.5 - this means I got 7 shots within 28 months and so far (except well-known side effects for less than 2 days) I noticed 'nothing'.

I am still healthy and alive and was never infected with covid-19 so far.

I also was starting in 2008 with regular vaccinations against pneumonia and seasonal flu, I was never infected up to today during the last 15 years.

Same situation with 2 friends in Europe, my fosterdaughter in Philippines, all my family members in Japan and my friend in Malaysia...all of them are vaccinated several times, some side effects for about 2 days, and otherwise nothing.

I will continue, no problem for me to be vaccinated and not only against covid-19. I don't care, I say it again, I don't care if others are vaccinated or not.
You're not listening @Yohan. Just because YouTube deletes something doesn't mean it must be false. It could be a cover up or suppression of truth, since YouTube is controlled by The Cult, as David Icke claims. That's why everyone covers up a conspiracy and protects the conspirators even if they are obviously lying or caught red handed. No other way to explain it. If YouTube deletes anything that is false then why are so many fake channels about celebrity deaths that are still living allowed on YouTube? Why does YouTube love sick fake news about celebrity deaths that are still allowed? If you search any celebrity on YouTube you will see what I mean. There is always a fake video about how they died horribly which is all fake news and a hoax. Yet YouTube doesn't remove such channels for lying and hoaxing. Why? You are totally naive if you think YouTube cares about the truth.

Of course there's evidence that the vaccines cause blood clots. The evidence is in scientific journals too. Why are you denying that? It's well documented since 2020. But the establishment denied it until now. Now they are admitting it because they have to. Did u even see the links above from the national institute of health? You don't seem to be paying attention and you are only seeing what you want to see, not what's there.

Also check our what @halnovemila told me about why they are admitting it now.

Halnovemila:

In the past year I've seen at least a half dozen of lengthy reports documentaries on the vaccines adverse effects. It's not a mystery to anyone, they can't be denied. What they try to deny now is the "quantity". They try to say that, yes, there are adverse reactions, yes some people may have died, some may have lost their health for months or forever... but it's just a very tiny mini biny fraction of the hundreds millions of got the jab... so... as long as it's happened to others... it's ok.

but the point it's not if it's ok that a fraction of people have lost their lives or their health... the point is that they LIED since the beginning and they keep LYING to the people saying that the vaccines are "safe" while they definitely NEVER BEEN. If they had been honest since the beginning and informed the people honestly and they didn't force they people to get the jab, we would have had hundreds thousands and maybe more people that may have had a slight Covid19 and developed a natural immunization instead of being heavily damaged or even killed by the vaccine.

In other words those who asserted and promoted the vaccines as like if they were food supplements, vitamin C, aspirin and other over the counter products, absolutely safe, safer than antibiotics, they are liars, guilty of being liars and criminals as their lies had caused extreme unjust suffers and damages and loss of life to thousands and thousands of innocent people whose only fault is to have trust them.
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galii wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 12:58 am
Without a meta analyses this is worthless for a normal person. A normal person can not understand this.
What is your point? That sounds like a dumb excuse not to accept the fact that the vaccines are NOT safe and the government lied about them. Why can't you admit the truth? Some of those links above come from the Lancet which is a prestigious establishment journal. It doesn't matter if a normal person doesn't understand meta analysis. The point is that the vaccines are not safe and were not safe and the government knew about it and covered it up until now. Average people can understand that. It's easy to understand. What is your problem @galii. You don't seem real. You seem like a bot who is a proxy for some lying demon that loves lies and hates truth.
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MrMan wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 6:17 am
kangarunner wrote:
October 28th, 2023, 3:50 pm
What I don't understand is that if the Covid virus existed, then why aren't people still getting infected with it today? Even after the mask mandate is over?

I never believed it when it first came out. I thought it was some kind of government control mechanism. Which is why I'm unvaccinated.

But if that covid virus is real, then why haven't I been infected yet? And why is the virus not still around? Did it just magically go away on its own?
My understanding is that it still exists and people are still getting infected. I heard something on the radio about a nasty strain of it going around. But what happens with these viruses is that they develop different strains. The ones that don't kill their hosts tend to actually spread more and become the dominant viruses. So the general trend is for Covid to become weaker and weaker.

In spite of this, government officials are still pushing for questionable shots and drug companies are happy to provide more and more boosters.

I asked Bing chatbot to compare deaths of Covid-19 to deaths from the flu last month. it said,

"According to the CDC, of the 241,969 Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19 (PIC) deaths reported between October 2, 2022, and September 9, 2023, 82,786 (34.2%) had COVID-19 listed as an underlying or contributing cause of death, and 9,697 (4.0%) listed influenza1. This indicates that PIC-associated mortality during the 2022-23 season was primarily due to COVID-19 and not influenza1."

If I want to be skeptical, I could ask if hospitals get paid more to report Covid death or have a mandate or expectation to associate any death of a Covid patient with Covid 19. I heard George Floyd had Covid when he died, but the government didn't have the nerve to blame his death on Covid.

It's still out there. Maybe because it stopped growing so fast, or just because the country and the media decided it was enough and it was time to move on, they just don't cover it much. There is are presidential primaries coming up, wars in Ukraine and Israel, so why focus on a disease?
Isn't it because herd immunity develops over time so that the virus is less lethal? Or the virus mutates until it becomes less deadly? After all what happened to the Spanish flu of 1918? Why isn't it still killing people today?
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halnovemila wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 12:44 am
Yohan wrote:
November 12th, 2023, 8:17 am
Winston wrote:
November 11th, 2023, 4:42 am
How come YouTube is allowing videos and news reports now about how the Covid Vaccine has injured people and caused blood clots?
@Winston

I don't care what kind of video people or companies upload on YouTube in the USA about covid-19.
However some false claims by anti-vaxxers - for example covid-19 virus does not exist - were deleted by Youtube. This virus does exist and was many times isolated and researched, electronic microscope is necessary, the virus cannot be seen otherwise.

Here in Japan nobody cares, if you are vaccinated or not.
I think that Japan is one of the few countries on which the government and public institutions have acted in a "civilized" way, unlike most of other countries in the world, where the institutions had in a very mafia style forced the people to take the jab, and they also lied, intentionally lied about it's safety, and lied about the absence of effective medical therapies or treatments for Covid19 infection.

I always been for the freedom of vaccination... even if it's risky... as long as the risks are known and are told truthfully.

Talking about Japan I think it's worth to share this speech:

7 September 2023
Japan
Intervention by Dr. Masanori Fukushima, professor emeritus of Kyoto University, at the press conference presenting the "Study Group on the Problem of Vaccines" (JSVRC).
Dr. Fukushima is President of the "Vaccine Problem Study Group".
“The number of people certified as eligible for the vaccine victim assistance system has already exceeded the number of cases caused by other vaccines over the last 45 years”

Video:
https://rumble.com/v1xrjfu-dr.-masanori ... f-liv.html
Moreover let's not forget that the Japanese government doesn't have to force people to do anything. The Japanese people are very compliant and obedient to authority and very conformist. So the government doesn't have to force anything. Unlike America where many people see themselves as individuals who can rebel and believe the government is corrupt and lies.
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Yohan wrote:
November 15th, 2023, 9:36 pm
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November 15th, 2023, 8:50 pm
If you took the shot, you're an idiot simply because you put no thought into an untested vial of goop going into your blood stream. I never took the shot and I'll never take any shot in the future.
It is up to you if you refuse to be vaccinated. I don't care.

To claim however that covid-19 vaccines were not tested before being approved to use for humans is plainly wrong.

First a new vaccine or drug (same with covid-19 vaccines) is given to people, it is tested in a laboratory.

After it’s tested in people in clinical trials - 3 times.

Phase 1 is done in a small group of people.
Phase 2 tests the vaccine in more people to research especially about side effects.
Phase 3 the vaccine is tested in thousands of people.

Pfizer Comirnaty clinical trial took place in North and South America and South Africa with more than 46000 people.

Now in Japan alone, after approval incl. clinical trials in Japan and other parts in Asia the vaccine of totally 424 million shots was administered to more than 104 million people.

To call people idiots, because they prefer vaccination to prevent illness is a bit over the top.
Medical research and development of new drugs and vaccines is very important, nobody can deny that.
How would you know they were tested by an unbiased third party with honest people? Just because they assume that doesn't mean it's true. Were you there at the testing? Don't people lie and hoax things all the time? What if the people testing it were controlled by the same CULT that created the vaccine and COVID agenda like David Icke says? If so then they would get the exact results they want 100 percent of the time. You seem very gullible and don't understand how the world works and you assume everyone is honest and has a conscience. That's not how the world is. It's very corrupt and what we know is just the tip of the iceberg. You seem under a hypnotic trance by establishment programming.
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Re: Risks of the Covid vaccine

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Winston wrote:
November 20th, 2023, 5:56 am
galii wrote:
November 13th, 2023, 12:58 am
Without a meta analyses this is worthless for a normal person. A normal person can not understand this.
What is your point? That sounds like a dumb excuse not to accept the fact that the vaccines are NOT safe and the government lied about them. Why can't you admit the truth? Some of those links above come from the Lancet which is a prestigious establishment journal. It doesn't matter if a normal person doesn't understand meta analysis. The point is that the vaccines are not safe and were not safe and the government knew about it and covered it up until now. Average people can understand that. It's easy to understand. What is your problem @galii. You don't seem real. You seem like a bot who is a proxy for some lying demon that loves lies and hates truth.
IT WAS NOT A META ANALYSES.

Anyway as a solipsistic science denier you have no say into this. As you do not believe in science why shold you believe now? So stay with your flat earth bullshit and deny science. That is your lane.
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Winston wrote:
November 20th, 2023, 6:17 am
How would you know they were tested by an unbiased third party with honest people? Just because they assume that doesn't mean it's true. Were you there at the testing? Don't people lie and hoax things all the time? What if the people testing it were controlled by the same CULT that created the vaccine and COVID agenda like David Icke says? If so then they would get the exact results they want 100 percent of the time. You seem very gullible and don't understand how the world works and you assume everyone is honest and has a conscience. That's not how the world is. It's very corrupt and what we know is just the tip of the iceberg. You seem under a hypnotic trance by establishment programming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
David Vaughan Icke (born 29 April 1952) is an English conspiracy theorist and a former footballer and sports broadcaster.
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n 1990, Icke visited a psychic who told him he was on Earth for a purpose and would receive messages from the spirit world.
This led him to claim in 1991 to be a "Son of the Godhead" and that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes.
He repeated this on the BBC show Wogan. His appearance led to public ridicule.
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He claims that there is an inter-dimensional race of reptilian beings, the Archons or Anunnaki, which have hijacked the Earth. :roll:
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Icke combines New Age philosophical discussion about the universe and consciousness with conspiracy theories about public figures being reptilian humanoids and paedophiles.
Sorry, Winston, but what a David Icke says, is not a reliable source for me. You might believe what he says, but I do not.
People influenced by Icke have asked public figures if they are lizards.
I am not a public figure, therefore I am not a lizard. No way :lol:

But what about you, Winston? You are (almost) a public figure, you believe everything what a David Vaughan Icke tells you,
Are you a lizard? Look in a mirror, what do you think about yourself? :shock:
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