Replacing PUA with P4P

[drealm]

I wonder if the United States will ever legalize prostitution, most countries already have.

America will never legalize prostitution because America is the most vile evil cesspool of a nation in the world, and it will always support evil and oppose good. But America will degenerate and law-and-order will break down and then prostitution will become more common.

I've thought about this also. For a while I thought it may have to do with Protestantism but this doesn't explain why the nordic countries allow it and America doesn't.

[Shemp]

What I am suggesting is a way for impulse sales. In other words, a woman can just go online and make a quick $100 whenever she wants with no further obligation. So no relationship, no need to be a regular, nothing, just quick cash. I think this would appeal to many women with their short-sighted thinking.

backpage.com escorts section. Used to be on craigslist but cl succumb to feminist pressure and shut down their escorts section.

Short-term prostitution is mostly junk sex. I don't think it would make men happier if it were legal. I'm much more concerned about getting rid of child support, alimony, laws that favor women, etc. Put financial pressure on women and they will become more open to being girlfriends of good but not perfect men and they will behave better when in relationships with such men.

[fschmidt]

There was a time where I looked into SA. I emailed a lot of women with a standard offer on the high end of the spectrum. What I found out is that most women don't want straightforward offers as in here's $X for X time in a hotel even if it's a good offer. Giving a good straightforward offer felt too much like traditional p4p to the women and they rejected my offers.

I think your interpretation is wrong. If women are on Seekingarrangement then straight P4P isn't what they are looking for, that's all.

What I am suggesting is a way for impulse sales. In other words, a woman can just go online and make a quick $100 whenever she wants with no further obligation. So no relationship, no need to be a regular, nothing, just quick cash. I think this would appeal to many women with their short-sighted thinking.

How is this different from traditional p4p sites?

The difference is that traditional p4p sites require a woman to set up a profile or ad and then wait men to contact them. This means that the woman has to put in initial effort and then continue to respond. This is bad for women because they are lazy and impulse-driven. My approach would be to have men make an offer and then women could respond to that. So there is no initial effort by women and no men contacting them after it's done. It is pure impulse. This is somewhat like what you said you did above, but the key would be getting enough women aware of the service so that there would always be a few who need money at the moment who would use it.

America will never legalize prostitution because America is the most vile evil cesspool of a nation in the world, and it will always support evil and oppose good. But America will degenerate and law-and-order will break down and then prostitution will become more common.

I've thought about this also. For a while I thought it may have to do with Protestantism but this doesn't explain why the nordic countries allow it and America doesn't.

I think it is the specifically degenerate form of Protestantism that developed in the Third Great Awakening in America that turned America into such a cesspool. You can see this thinking from the American Christians on this forum.

[fschmidt]

Short-term prostitution is mostly junk sex. I don't think it would make men happier if it were legal. I'm much more concerned about getting rid of child support, alimony, laws that favor women, etc. Put financial pressure on women and they will become more open to being girlfriends of good but not perfect men and they will behave better when in relationships with such men.

All moral societies in history had widely available prostitution. Morality cannot be maintained without prostitution because if this sexual outlet isn't available to single men, then they will chase all women and turn them all into sluts. America is the perfect example of this.

[Adama]

I think prostitution should be legal. The only thing I object to is what RF and Cornfed were going on about, and that is seeking girlfriends and regular women to turn them into semi-prostitutes, and the likening of all women to whores. Feminists sure do think all men are pigs. Is it true? No, it isn't. Just as there are decent, naive young women who don't deserve to be turned down a dark path by somebody who doesn't think prostitution, girlfriends or marriage are good enough, but instead needs to open up a whole new niche.

[drealm]

The difference is that traditional p4p sites require a woman to set up a profile or ad and then wait men to contact them. This means that the woman has to put in initial effort and then continue to respond. This is bad for women because they are lazy and impulse-driven. My approach would be to have men make an offer and then women could respond to that. So there is no initial effort by women and no men contacting them after it's done. It is pure impulse. This is somewhat like what you said you did above, but the key would be getting enough women aware of the service so that there would always be a few who need money at the moment who would use it.

I understand the difference now, though I don't know if it would work as a business.

[Cornfed]

The difference is that traditional p4p sites require a woman to set up a profile or ad and then wait men to contact them. This means that the woman has to put in initial effort and then continue to respond. This is bad for women because they are lazy and impulse-driven. My approach would be to have men make an offer and then women could respond to that.

I imagine this could be done quite cheaply, as all you would need is a simple forum, a facility to collect a monthly fee via paypal or whatever, and a form the females could fill out to pm the men advertising. Start local and then perhaps go global. Like you said, the trick would be getting enough skanks aware of the service. I don’t see any reason not to give it a go. Can you recommend forum software?

[starchild5]

SeekingArrangement is Freemason run by an Chinese American. It got so much publicity in mainstream press.

All the girls in Craigslist To BackPage moved to Seeking

That was the plan....

SeekingArragement will never be shut down because it is part of elite circle. They are giving more publicity in mainstream so that more and more women would just worship money

You can get any hooker from backpage in seeking now a days ......Women do not like to be viewed as hookers when they look in the mirror but its fine to be sugar babe etc..

SA is making millions every month...I see everyday 1000s of American women joining the site...and the quality of girls looks wise is higher as well...

Personally. I like SA as you can make a deal with a women and if she breaks it, you can close the deal...and move to next...You don't have to pay once you close the deal like in marriage ..

I dated many women in SA and you pretty much get it as you made the deal because they are basically after money and good life and do not have feminism BS in their minds.

[Cornfed]

Just looking at SA, the marketing seems to be aimed at men who are super rich. It is no wonder the hoes are demanding unreasonably high prices. There is definitely a gap in the market.

[fschmidt]

I imagine this could be done quite cheaply, as all you would need is a simple forum, a facility to collect a monthly fee via paypal or whatever, and a form the females could fill out to pm the men advertising. Start local and then perhaps go global. Like you said, the trick would be getting enough skanks aware of the service. I don’t see any reason not to give it a go. Can you recommend forum software?

I don't think a forum is the right approach. There is no need for public discussion. But there is a need for several custom features like geographic location, payment handling, and a reputation system. So I think this is a custom website. It is a medium-sized project, a few weeks to get basic system running and then one would keep improving things after that. Let me know if you are interested in doing this.

[Shemp]

Just looking at SA, the marketing seems to be aimed at men who are super rich. It is no wonder the hoes are demanding unreasonably high prices. There is definitely a gap in the market.

Marketing is the operative word. There simply aren't that many super rich men in this world. Most legitimate men on SA are ordinary engineers, accountants, lawyers, middle managers, etc stuck in a sexless American marriage but unwilling to divorce because of children, thus most legitimate men's profiles are hidden and they contact the women, not vice-versa. I know this from taking to women I met through SA. I'm an oddball in that I'm single and made my profile public but I'm not a scam guy who wants a free sample and had no intention of ever paying.

The typical rate for girls who are serious is about $100/hour in middle America (higher in the coastal cities), or about $300/week assuming two meets/week at 90 minutes per session. So $15600/year if the relationship lasts a year, which it seldom does. A nice chunk of change for the girl, much cheaper than a divorce for the man and also much cheaper than regular escorts, who typically get $200/hour in middle America (though the man actually pays about $20k/year because of the motel bills) I have no idea how long the typical arrangement lasts, but I would guess under 3 months, so the actual cost for the man is maybe $5000 for 26 sessions with a pretty young thing. Compare with Steve55, who spent $5000 plus airfare and other expenses for a few dates with middle aged single mothers (still no idea if he ever had sex with those ukranian women on those dates or maybe they just held hands while communicating via the translator). [Just a hint: Always talk about the $15600/year not the measly $100/hour. Remember, your trying to close a deal with someone not that financially sophisticated, so do like all fast-talking salesmen do and present the deal from the most attractive angle. Actually, you'll initially talk of $200/hour and $31,200/year, then renegotiate down once the girl is hooked on you and your money. I hate deceptive dealing but honesty gets a man nowhere with young whores.]

My problem with SA is I have so little patience for wading through the non-serious time-wasters to get to the quality women, plus there is still the issue of chemistry: I don't have sex with just anyone and the girl had to feel something for me as well. I did have sex with 2 women from SA, but I'm finished with the service for now. Simpler to meet women in Ukraine in person now that I speak passable Russian.

[Cornfed]

It seems like a fairly one-dimensional service matching affluent geezers with young hoes for freelance whore services. It seems like there would be demand for a more versatile services. Also, the hoes still make too much money.

[Shemp]

It seems like a fairly one-dimensional service matching affluent geezers with young hoes for freelance whore services. It seems like there would be demand for a more versatile services. Also, the hoes still make too much money.

Men in their 40's are not geezers. That's the typical age of men in sexless marriages with children. Most geezers are not that interested in sex. Look at me: lots of talk, little action because I just don't care that much anymore. Not impotent, just impatient with bullshit. Kradmelder seems the same way. Men in their 40's are still desperate and think sex is the answer to their inner unhappiness. Steve55 for example.

[HA1729]

It seems like a fairly one-dimensional service matching affluent geezers with young hoes for freelance whore services. It seems like there would be demand for a more versatile services. Also, the hoes still make too much money.

Yeah, I definitely agree with this. There should be a niche market for women who are looking to enter "sugar daddy" relationships with younger men for a lower price. As a man in his 20s who is of above-average attractiveness and doesn't like rough sex, I feel like it would be reasonable to get such a relationship for less than $1000/month. There are probably some women who would prefer a "sugar daddy" relationship with a young guy because the sex would be more pleasant and she wouldn't be embarrassed if she was seen in public with the guy, and they would be willing to accept less money for a young guy. Unfortunately, these women generally wouldn't look into a "sugar daddy" relationship at all because the stereotype is that the men are always old. It would definitely be worthwhile to try publicizing the idea of low-cost "sugary daddy" relationships.

[Kradmelder]

It seems like a fairly one-dimensional service matching affluent geezers with young hoes for freelance whore services. It seems like there would be demand for a more versatile services. Also, the hoes still make too much money.

Men in their 40's are not geezers. That's the typical age of men in sexless marriages with children. Most geezers are not that interested in sex. Look at me: lots of talk, little action because I just don't care that much anymore. Not impotent, just impatient with bullshit. Kradmelder seems the same way. Men in their 40's are still desperate and think sex is the answer to their inner unhappiness. Steve55 for example.

The profile you describe sums up many men who remain married. Unhappy but won't divorce for varied reasons. That makes the failed marriage rate far higher than the divorce rate and we'll over 90 pct I bet.

ja I can't handle the bs anymore but have a high sex drive. So as a compromise I figure seeing them every 2 weeks to a month is ok and minimises the chance she thinks this is a relationshit and starts the BF Gf behaviour.

That SA site sounds appealing but basically I get that service for free. A site would greatly expand the available market though. I just look at women about 10 years younger, working, can survive but can't afford my lifestyle. So give them the perks of the lifestyle but no cash payments. They can get paid with a dick between their legs that is attentive to their needs

The ground rules I set is don't start true love or bring up the R word, nor show disrespect. I don't give them kak nor break common deceny with them, nor control what they do each day so won't accept it back. Don't encroach on my me time or expect to be taken out for dinner each time. If that is the deal I would prefer to give you the cash than spend hours in a restaurant talking bs. And I don't like crowds.

By experience I learnt never let them meet kids and friends, and avoid sleep overs. And avoid the hot ones as they are too self absorbed and bring endless kak and entitlement. They want to make the rules.I guess if you pay them cash you get around that. Problem as well is the hot ones like fancy restaurants and luxury weekends away. I don't like that shit. I prefer weekends with my kids or on my bike and hate dressing up even though heifers say I look great when I dress up. It just isn't me. I only want women around to pomp then prefer they leave. 2 or 3 hrs is as long as I want to be around them anymore and I need no ego boost of a woman on my arm in public.

You know that saying, no matter how hot she is, someone is sick and tired of her shit. I know that feeling well.