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Re: Why Women Hate MGTOW

Post by lasttry » December 2nd, 2014, 6:35 am

MrMan wrote: Some of the MGTOW videos I saw on YouTube argue that if you don't marry, you get to save and keep your money. Single men earn less (probably mostly a motivation/responsibility issue issue.) But if they earn a lot of money, what are they going to do with it? Die and leave the money to their dog? What's the point of having a lot of money if you don't have anyone to share it with? You can go eat at the most expensive restaurant in town, but do it by yourself or with some other dude, your fishing buddy instead of a woman? It sounds like a drag to me. They talk about the risk of a 50% divorce rate (which you can reduce greatly in the US by choosing carefully), but isn't actually getting to have sex in life worth the risk of losing some of your finances for most men anyway?
Depends if you like your job. I hated mine, though it was high-paying. I hated and still hate all work. Getting rid of wife and children opened the door to early retirement, which is way more important to my happiness than sex. What the point of money if you don't have anyone to share it with? Are you living under a rock? Go live in a homeless shelter for a while to understand why money is valuable other than because it helps you get sex with women. Poor people put up with all sorts of shit in this world.

Of course sex with a woman is worth money, the question is how much. The problem with sex with a woman who isn't trash is that you may fall in love and the next thing you know, you've slid all the way down the slippery slop into the "full catastrophe: wife, house, kids everything". It isn't just men. Women are brainwashed to want marriage and children even more than men, and are more depressed when they get them. Everyone here bitches about single mothers. You think all these woman are happy? A lot of them are in a daze at what a mess they've made of their lives. Children can be cute when they're young, but they are ungrateful little bastards once they get to their teens. A lot of women are very sorry they ever had children, and especially single mothers. They're just terrified of admitting it because they'd face shitstorm of social condemnation if they said anything bad about their kids.

You can avoid the slippery slope problem by only having sex with women you dislike so much there's no chance of falling in love, marrying and having children. But that is probably as bad as being alone.




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Re: Why Women Hate MGTOW

Post by MarcosZeitola » December 2nd, 2014, 7:31 am

lasttry wrote:
MrMan wrote: Some of the MGTOW videos I saw on YouTube argue that if you don't marry, you get to save and keep your money. Single men earn less (probably mostly a motivation/responsibility issue issue.) But if they earn a lot of money, what are they going to do with it? Die and leave the money to their dog? What's the point of having a lot of money if you don't have anyone to share it with? You can go eat at the most expensive restaurant in town, but do it by yourself or with some other dude, your fishing buddy instead of a woman? It sounds like a drag to me. They talk about the risk of a 50% divorce rate (which you can reduce greatly in the US by choosing carefully), but isn't actually getting to have sex in life worth the risk of losing some of your finances for most men anyway?
Depends if you like your job. I hated mine, though it was high-paying. I hated and still hate all work. Getting rid of wife and children opened the door to early retirement, which is way more important to my happiness than sex. What the point of money if you don't have anyone to share it with? Are you living under a rock? Go live in a homeless shelter for a while to understand why money is valuable other than because it helps you get sex with women. Poor people put up with all sorts of shit in this world.

Of course sex with a woman is worth money, the question is how much. The problem with sex with a woman who isn't trash is that you may fall in love and the next thing you know, you've slid all the way down the slippery slop into the "full catastrophe: wife, house, kids everything". It isn't just men. Women are brainwashed to want marriage and children even more than men, and are more depressed when they get them. Everyone here bitches about single mothers. You think all these woman are happy? A lot of them are in a daze at what a mess they've made of their lives. Children can be cute when they're young, but they are ungrateful little bastards once they get to their teens. A lot of women are very sorry they ever had children, and especially single mothers. They're just terrified of admitting it because they'd face shitstorm of social condemnation if they said anything bad about their kids.

You can avoid the slippery slope problem by only having sex with women you dislike so much there's no chance of falling in love, marrying and having children. But that is probably as bad as being alone.
All I see is a whole bunch of generalizations and assumptions. Marriage, a wife, children... they are a catastrophe if you see it as one, a blessing if you see it as one. We are not "brainwashed" to want children anymore then we are "brainwashed" to have sex, or eat dinner: we simple have the need, the urge. Some people lack this urge. For every woman that is unhappy she had children, there's an aging spinster wasting away in a house full of cats who wished she had. And for every man who's so happy he never had a family, there's that man who dies a miserable recluse and whos body remains undiscovered for weeks before a neighbor gets suspicious. The path to happiness is different for all of us, but it's too simple too say kids equal unhappiness, and kids equal happiness by default.

Of course having children in the West is a very different experience from having children in the East, too. In the West we push our elderly away into retirement homes, whereas in the East they take them in their families and often live with three or four generations together in one house. The elderly have a value there still, are respected, get discounts on food or public transport and help raising their grandchildren and even their great-granchildren if they live long enough. Here, they get a visit maybe once a month if they're lucky, and if they are unlucky their kids moved far away and they never see more of them then a birthday card in the post every once in a while.

Families are not the same everywhere, and neither are people. The pessimism you have for this "slippery slope" you describe, is best reserved for the Western world. If you go to Asia things simple work differently, and that slippery slope becomes a rather enjoyable and meaningful experience. Families in the West are often colder, more distant, whereas in Asia, Latin America and other countries they are warmer and more close-knit. If you are a loner, the West will suffice, but if you are a family oriented peoples-person, HappierAbroad is a solution.

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Re: Why Women Hate MGTOW

Post by Jester » December 2nd, 2014, 11:07 am

+1 Marcos.
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Re: Why Women Hate MGTOW

Post by newlifeinphilippines » December 2nd, 2014, 11:16 am

MarcosZeitola wrote:
lasttry wrote:
MrMan wrote: Some of the MGTOW videos I saw on YouTube argue that if you don't marry, you get to save and keep your money. Single men earn less (probably mostly a motivation/responsibility issue issue.) But if they earn a lot of money, what are they going to do with it? Die and leave the money to their dog? What's the point of having a lot of money if you don't have anyone to share it with? You can go eat at the most expensive restaurant in town, but do it by yourself or with some other dude, your fishing buddy instead of a woman? It sounds like a drag to me. They talk about the risk of a 50% divorce rate (which you can reduce greatly in the US by choosing carefully), but isn't actually getting to have sex in life worth the risk of losing some of your finances for most men anyway?
Depends if you like your job. I hated mine, though it was high-paying. I hated and still hate all work. Getting rid of wife and children opened the door to early retirement, which is way more important to my happiness than sex. What the point of money if you don't have anyone to share it with? Are you living under a rock? Go live in a homeless shelter for a while to understand why money is valuable other than because it helps you get sex with women. Poor people put up with all sorts of shit in this world.

Of course sex with a woman is worth money, the question is how much. The problem with sex with a woman who isn't trash is that you may fall in love and the next thing you know, you've slid all the way down the slippery slop into the "full catastrophe: wife, house, kids everything". It isn't just men. Women are brainwashed to want marriage and children even more than men, and are more depressed when they get them. Everyone here bitches about single mothers. You think all these woman are happy? A lot of them are in a daze at what a mess they've made of their lives. Children can be cute when they're young, but they are ungrateful little bastards once they get to their teens. A lot of women are very sorry they ever had children, and especially single mothers. They're just terrified of admitting it because they'd face shitstorm of social condemnation if they said anything bad about their kids.

You can avoid the slippery slope problem by only having sex with women you dislike so much there's no chance of falling in love, marrying and having children. But that is probably as bad as being alone.
All I see is a whole bunch of generalizations and assumptions. Marriage, a wife, children... they are a catastrophe if you see it as one, a blessing if you see it as one. We are not "brainwashed" to want children anymore then we are "brainwashed" to have sex, or eat dinner: we simple have the need, the urge. Some people lack this urge. For every woman that is unhappy she had children, there's an aging spinster wasting away in a house full of cats who wished she had. And for every man who's so happy he never had a family, there's that man who dies a miserable recluse and whos body remains undiscovered for weeks before a neighbor gets suspicious. The path to happiness is different for all of us, but it's too simple too say kids equal unhappiness, and kids equal happiness by default.

Of course having children in the West is a very different experience from having children in the East, too. In the West we push our elderly away into retirement homes, whereas in the East they take them in their families and often live with three or four generations together in one house. The elderly have a value there still, are respected, get discounts on food or public transport and help raising their grandchildren and even their great-granchildren if they live long enough. Here, they get a visit maybe once a month if they're lucky, and if they are unlucky their kids moved far away and they never see more of them then a birthday card in the post every once in a while.

Families are not the same everywhere, and neither are people. The pessimism you have for this "slippery slope" you describe, is best reserved for the Western world. If you go to Asia things simple work differently, and that slippery slope becomes a rather enjoyable and meaningful experience. Families in the West are often colder, more distant, whereas in Asia, Latin America and other countries they are warmer and more close-knit. If you are a loner, the West will suffice, but if you are a family oriented peoples-person, HappierAbroad is a solution.
isn't that what your doing though your abandoning your parents to live in asia?

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Re: Why Women Hate MGTOW

Post by MarcosZeitola » December 2nd, 2014, 12:11 pm

newlifeinphilippines wrote:isn't that what your doing though your abandoning your parents to live in asia?
Not exactly. My parents have three children, and I am the eldest. My siblings still live in the West and neither have any intention of leaving anytime soon. Who knows, my parents might join me in the Philippines one day; they went there this summer to meet their first grandchild and said they like it very much there. Also, my parents are not very old yet, they had children early in life like I did. They mother and father are mid-forties and early fifties, respectively. Hardly senior citizens.

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Re: Why Women Hate MGTOW

Post by newlifeinphilippines » December 2nd, 2014, 10:25 pm

MarcosZeitola wrote:
newlifeinphilippines wrote:isn't that what your doing though your abandoning your parents to live in asia?
Not exactly. My parents have three children, and I am the eldest. My siblings still live in the West and neither have any intention of leaving anytime soon. Who knows, my parents might join me in the Philippines one day; they went there this summer to meet their first grandchild and said they like it very much there. Also, my parents are not very old yet, they had children early in life like I did. They mother and father are mid-forties and early fifties, respectively. Hardly senior citizens.
Thats been another sticking point of why i find it hard for me to imagine settling down in asia. I could fly back and forth but thats expensive and it wouldn't be practical at certain times. What should a person do in that situation import a wife? I rearlly dont want to do that either i can't imagine dealing with a foreign bride here in america LOL

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Re: Why Women Hate MGTOW

Post by MarcosZeitola » December 2nd, 2014, 10:53 pm

newlifeinphilippines wrote:Thats been another sticking point of why i find it hard for me to imagine settling down in asia. I could fly back and forth but thats expensive and it wouldn't be practical at certain times. What should a person do in that situation import a wife? I rearlly dont want to do that either i can't imagine dealing with a foreign bride here in america LOL
I am sure your parents would rather have you move abroad and start a family then see you die a lonely bachelor and having their bloodline die out with you, just so that you might keep them company every once in a while. Life is about making choices, and as a parents myself, I know that what I want for my sons and daughters is to find happiness, not to stick around for my own enjoyment.

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