Was Hitler actually the good guy? Is he wrongly demonized/vilified?

[Jester]

Did you watch the films above posted by me and Mr S? If you did, you'd see that WWII was not as simple as you think.

I would challenge thoughtful individuals to watch the first few of the video series. They are engrossing, and not too long.

[Jester]

Btw, if Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews, then why did he migrate them all to Palestine before WWII?

He didn't.

Don't have any first hand knowledge either way, but I did personally meet some members of the Irgun, now known by another name, at a Temple picnic in Orange County back in the early 1980's. They were militant Zionist teens - wearing brownshirt uniforms. Fascism has many facets.

I don't mean to say that they were thuggish. They were bright kids, eager, zealous, virulently nationalistic and politically aware.

And why is Hitler vilified as the most evil man in the world, while Alexander the Great, Caesar, Napoleon and Genghis Khan are not?

Hitler killed more than the rest combined. And of course Hitler lost while the others won.

Noone is buying that Holohoax stuf anymore. The guy may or may not have been insane or a warmonger, but the gas chamber stuff is baloney. At worst he did ethnic deportations similar to what others were doing. Unlike the Allies, rape was not a German occupation policy. And unlike the Brits, he didn't drop phosphorous bombs on Red Cross workers.

[Winston]

Hitler is always demonised by the Jewish/ Zionist run media

too distract you from the truth and the crimes committed

by the anglo-american empire in the past and now, there is too much to write here

about this subject and it is not a straight forward explanation in a paragraph

if you really want to know more about Hitler and what was hppening behind the scenes

I highly recommend this book, its a must read, it will really change all your false pre-conceptions

That's an interesting book with a lot of reviews. Yes, if Germany and Russia has become allies during WWII, the Western allies might not have ever had a chance against them. Perhaps that's the real reason why WWII was started, to prevent a German-Soviet block in Europe?

Hitler even said in his speeches that the Western allies provoked him into war, and refused his offer of peace and friendship. Here is one of his speeches saying that:



To Outwest: I agree with your reply above, but what does any of that have to do with seeking a more balanced view of history and hearing from all sides?

I don't have a response to Ladislav. What do you expect me to say? Do you expect me to argue with his claim that the Nazis killed his relatives? In a war, people are killed on both sides. What is there to respond to?

[Winston]

And why is Hitler vilified as the most evil man in the world, while Alexander the Great, Caesar, Napoleon and Genghis Khan are not?

Hitler killed more than the rest combined. And of course Hitler lost while the others won.

Noone is buying that Holohoax stuf anymore. The guy may or may not have been insane or a warmonger, but the gas chamber stuff is baloney. At worst he did ethnic deportations similar to what others were doing. Unlike the Allies, rape was not a German occupation policy. And unlike the Brits, he didn't drop phosphorous bombs on Red Cross workers.

That's a good point. Whether the Holocaust happened or not, there is zero evidence for the gas chambers, and a lot of evidence to the contrary. See these films and interviews by David Cole, a young Jewish Holocaust revisionist who had to go into hiding due to death threats against him. He makes a lot of good points and speaks with a lot of intellect and uses facts, logic and common sense.

His trip to Auschwitz



Interview on the Phil Donahue Show



Interview on the Montel Williams Show

[Mr S]

Hitler is always demonised by the Jewish/ Zionist run media

too distract you from the truth and the crimes committed

by the anglo-american empire in the past and now, there is too much to write here

about this subject and it is not a straight forward explanation in a paragraph

if you really want to know more about Hitler and what was hppening behind the scenes

I highly recommend this book, its a must read, it will really change all your false pre-conceptions

That's an interesting book with a lot of reviews. Yes, if Germany and Russia has become allies during WWII, the Western allies might not have ever had a chance against them. Perhaps that's the real reason why WWII was started, to prevent a German-Soviet block in Europe?

Hitler even said in his speeches that the Western allies provoked him into war, and refused his offer of peace and friendship. Here is one of his speeches saying that:



To Outwest: I agree with your reply above, but what does any of that have to do with seeking a more balanced view of history and hearing from all sides?

I don't have a response to Ladislav. What do you expect me to say? Do you expect me to argue with his claim that the Nazis killed his relatives? In a war, people are killed on both sides. What is there to respond to?

Hitler would never had agreed to an alliance with the Soviets during WW2 because he was a stanch anti-communist. The only reason he initially signed an agreement with Stalin was to not have to worry about his Eastern flank in case France/UK went to war with Germany as well as the Soviets having a hissy fit along with the West when he would invade Poland; so he signed an agreement where the Soviets would turn a blind eye while also gaining the half of Poland closest to the Soviet border. The reason Hitler broke the agreement was because Stalin began invading all the other countries around the Soviet Union and Hitler figured it would be best to launch a preemptive strike against Stalin rather than deal with him at a later time when he might have been more difficult to defeat. The problem with his plan was he needed to defeat the Russians before winter set in, which didn't happen. Also he should have convinced the Japanese to invade Russia on their side that way Stalin couldn't move ALL of his reserve troops to the German front. Instead of trying to go all out and have Moscow fall, Hitler would have been better off hunkering down for the winter and then sending winter supplies to the line. Even though there was a chance Russia would strengthen it's forces in Moscow and surrounding areas, Hitler should have just completed the invasion the following year and then somehow got the Japs to invade the other side of Russia, but hindsight is 20/20 so they say.

[Winston]

Here is a talk by David Irving, the only historian left who has actually interviewed people who were close to Hitler and knew him, making him a rogue historian because he doesn't adopt the official view of Hitler.

David Irving - The Faking of Adolf Hitler for History



Description:

The British Historian David Irving, speaking on "The Faking of Adolf Hitler for History" identifies some of the many FRAUDULENT historical documents that have been quoted AND referred to over the many years by "conformist historians" of the Third Reich era.

Even many of Mr. Irving's opponents DO admit.., that Mr. Irving's knowledge of Hitler and wartime Germany in unrivaled !! Mr. Irving is the author of numerous books on this era of history.., many of them having been "best sellers".., including his monumental work (3 volumes in one book!).., titled "Hitler's War"...

As always.., after watching.., do your best to "pass it on".....


"Truth Does Not Fear Investigation"

AND...

"He who Wins the War.., also Writes the History" (Yes / No ??)

Then.., last, but not least...

"The Truth shall make you Free.., but at first.., it'll make you Damn Mad" !!!

[fschmidt]

Noone is buying that Holohoax stuf anymore. The guy may or may not have been insane or a warmonger, but the gas chamber stuff is baloney. At worst he did ethnic deportations similar to what others were doing. Unlike the Allies, rape was not a German occupation policy. And unlike the Brits, he didn't drop phosphorous bombs on Red Cross workers.

That's a good point. Whether the Holocaust happened or not, there is zero evidence for the gas chambers, and a lot of evidence to the contrary. See these films and interviews by David Cole, a young Jewish Holocaust revisionist who had to go into hiding due to death threats against him. He makes a lot of good points and speaks with a lot of intellect and uses facts, logic and common sense.

I couldn't watch the David Cole video because it is so long, boring, and annoying. And of course a waste of time since the evidence for the Holocaust is overwhelming. I guess this is one more reason that Jews have to keep talking about the Holocaust, because it is the only mass murder that so many fools deny happened. The evidence is available to anyone who researches it. But I personally have no need to research it because most of my family died in the gas chambers and my father escaped from a work camp. I have no relatives besides my parents. Most Jews that my parents knew before the war were killed. All I can say is that it's really amazing how people twist obvious facts to suit their fantasies.

[ladislav]

Hitler was OK until he started attacking other nations' civilian populations and promoting his racial theories. His effort to save ethnic Germans in other countries was a good one but he went berserk.

America did something similar in Grenada. He could have just done what Germany did later on- taken all people of German ancestry in and resettled them in Germany. Case closed. Then seal the border and deal with military threats by armies in a military manner.

He went nuts and started killing people right and left. My parents told me a few stories. Horrid stuff. Bombing, burning totally innocent people. Mu Lai in VN multiplied millionfold. Fight soldiers and combatants, do not kill innocent peaceful civilians. But his SS did just that and so did his army, Out of control.

That is where he went wrong.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Just wait until these punk sissy Jews try to make it illegal in the USA to speak bad about them like they've done in Germany, heads are going to roll, Jew heads.....

Nobody on this planet tells me what to do, not one single solitary human being is bad enough to do it, I tell cops to shut their mouths, I tell the FBI to shut it's mouth, I tell the President to shut his mouth, I tell the Secret Service to shut their mouths, I tell every single solitary human being on the face of this planet to shut their mouths, not one person on this planet is my equal....

[DevilsAdvocate]

The Jews have put the entire financial system under the control of a computer, nothing really trades, it's all an illusion they have created...

Notice how none of the Jews will talk about this, they put their head in the sand because they know the evil that is going on and they are for it, they do not hate the evil, they love the evil, they love the fact that they've done this and are doing so many other evil things. Do you ever see the Jews pointing out the evil? Or talking bad about child molestation? Of course not, because they are all involved with it, and if not them then their friends and relatives are. They don't want to talk bad about their families and friends.

Now the Jews are about to end what you think of life on this planet and cause global chaos and WW3 so that their messiah can show up and be their god, who is called the Anti-Christ, and their whole purpose is to secretly drag everyone down into Hell with them.

When you finally learn the real truth about Jews you'll understand why Hitler killed so many of them, and the truth will finally come to light. If people knew the truth about Jews they would all be dead tomorrow all over the world....

[Winston]

Noone is buying that Holohoax stuf anymore. The guy may or may not have been insane or a warmonger, but the gas chamber stuff is baloney. At worst he did ethnic deportations similar to what others were doing. Unlike the Allies, rape was not a German occupation policy. And unlike the Brits, he didn't drop phosphorous bombs on Red Cross workers.

That's a good point. Whether the Holocaust happened or not, there is zero evidence for the gas chambers, and a lot of evidence to the contrary. See these films and interviews by David Cole, a young Jewish Holocaust revisionist who had to go into hiding due to death threats against him. He makes a lot of good points and speaks with a lot of intellect and uses facts, logic and common sense.

I couldn't watch the David Cole video because it is so long, boring, and annoying. And of course a waste of time since the evidence for the Holocaust is overwhelming. I guess this is one more reason that Jews have to keep talking about the Holocaust, because it is the only mass murder that so many fools deny happened. The evidence is available to anyone who researches it. But I personally have no need to research it because most of my family died in the gas chambers and my father escaped from a work camp. I have no relatives besides my parents. Most Jews that my parents knew before the war were killed. All I can say is that it's really amazing how people twist obvious facts to suit their fantasies.

If you find the David Cole video boring, then watch his interviews on the Donahue Show and Montel Williams Show above. They are more to the point and easy to follow and not that long. Donahue is easy to follow. Just watch it. He makes many valid points in it.

How do you know the gas chambers existed? There is no physical evidence of them, but evidence to the contrary, and zero Nazi source documents about them. David Irving has a monetary reward for anyone who can produce source documents proving that Hitler ordered a mass extermination of the Jews.

[Winston]

Check out this documentary about Hitler by David Irving, a Holocaust Revisionist who is considered the best expert on Hitler because he is the only historian who has actually interviewed indepth people who were close to Hitler and knew him best, and spent many years researching original source documents rather than just quoting other historians like most historians do.

Hitler's War - by David Irving



Hitler's War? - What the Hitler Channel doesn't tell you! Part1

[DevilsAdvocate]

In about the year 1996 I was watching on TV this talk show, political talk show, and the host was this English guy. It was the time in which the Congress had made it a law that it's ok to see child pornography as long as it wasn't "real". Another words you could watch child porn and make child porn in animation.

The English host was seriously pissed off, and started talking really bad about this, and offended by it, and then he asked his panel of about 6 people to weigh in...

Each of them would not say one word about it, and even condoned it....

The host was pissed off by this it seemed....

A short time later you never saw this host again....

The Jews are for child pornography, they truly love it and enjoy it, that's how the Goyim are to be used for their lustful purposes...

And if you are against them or speak out, you will be black balled......

That's what Jews do, they sue, they stool pigeon, they tattle tell, they cause mischief and deceit, they cause trouble on both sides of the fence on purpose to create misery everywhere and have the people blame each other for it....

Again, if the world knew what Jews are and what they do, all the Jews all over the world would be dead tomorrow morning....

[DevilsAdvocate]

Hollywood, the land of homosexuals, Satanists, pedophiles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KV1fk_yF0w

Straight from the story of Cory Feldman....

[fschmidt]

If you find the David Cole video boring, then watch his interviews on the Donahue Show and Montel Williams Show above. They are more to the point and easy to follow and not that long. Donahue is easy to follow. Just watch it. He makes many valid points in it.

How do you know the gas chambers existed? There is no physical evidence of them, but evidence to the contrary, and zero Nazi source documents about them. David Irving has a monetary reward for anyone who can produce source documents proving that Hitler ordered a mass extermination of the Jews.

Winston, please pick one, and only one, specific historical fact that you would like to discuss and start a thread on that topic and I will take the time to research it for you.