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Some of America's Founding Fathers were HAPPIER ABROAD!

Post by Winston » November 15th, 2014, 5:48 pm

Check this out. Did you know that Benjamin Franklin, one of our Founding Fathers, was HAPPIER ABROAD too?

See the 3 hour documentary below that chronicles his life and many amazing inventions and accomplishments in many areas. He was a great inventor, scientist, publisher, writer, poet, philosopher, statesman, civil leader, successful in business (from rags to riches), diplomat, ambassador, and big flirt with women too. And he founded many organizations and established the first lending library in America. I've never seen a single man with so many accomplishments in so many areas.

He was also probably the most brilliant intellectual of Colonial America, so he found no intellectual stimulation in America. That's why he preferred being in Europe and found it more intellectually stimulating.

After he retired from business, he spent most of his senior adult life overseas in Europe, away from his wife. Before the American Revolutionary War, he spent a total of 17 years in London and England. Then during the American Revolutionary War, he lived in Paris for 8 years and had a blast there.

During his time in Europe, he hung out with intellectuals, writers, philosophers and scientists, while flirting and charming aristocratic women, who found him to be a charming ladies man. (That sounds like the kind of thing that I would do lol) He had close friendships with aristocratic ladies and friendships with many intellectual men. He clearly was happier in Europe and was a celebrity there.

Here is the three hour documentary that chronicles all this and his life from 1706 to 1790. It's very good and will instill you with a deep admiration for Benjamin Franklin and his many talents and accomplishments.

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Post by E Irizarry R&B Singer » November 15th, 2014, 6:19 pm

If Bennie had left that early to go abroad, then he knew that this ship was going to eventually sink 300 something years later. Talk about being astute/precocious!!!
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Post by Winston » November 15th, 2014, 7:56 pm

The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin - FULL AudioBook

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfulxLKypr8

Chapter listing and length:

00-Introduction -- 00:19:16

01-Ancestry and Early Youth in Boston -- 00:25:49

02-Beginning Life as a Printer -- 00:24:04

03-Arrival in Philadelphia -- 00:16:47

04-First Visit to Boston -- 00:18:00

05-Early Friends in Philadelphia -- 00:10:07

06-First Visit to London -- 00:29:46

07-Beginning Business in Philadelphia -- 00:34:20

08-Business Success and First Public Service -- 00:27:50

09-Plan for Attaining Moral Perfection -- 00:31:41

10-Poor Richard's Almanac and Other Activities -- 00:21:33

11-Interest in Public Affairs -- 00:17:27

12-Defense of the Province -- 00:21:28

13-Public Services and Duties -- 00:32:29

14-Albany Plan of Union -- 00:05:23

15-Quarrels with the Proprietary -- 00:07:53

16-Braddock's Expedition -- 00:26:41

17-Franklin's Defense of the Frontier -- 00:19:05

18-Scientific Experiments -- 00:09:26

19-Agent of Pennsylvania in London -- 00:35:20

20-Appendix -- 00:16:14

Benjamin Franklin (January 17, 1706 -- April 17, 1790) was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States. A noted polymath, Franklin was a leading author, printer, political theorist, politician, postmaster, scientist, musician, inventor, satirist, civic activist, statesman, and diplomat. As a scientist, he was a major figure in the American Enlightenment and the history of physics for his discoveries and theories regarding electricity. He invented the lightning rod, bifocals, the Franklin stove, a carriage odometer, and the glass 'armonica'. He facilitated many civic organizations, including a fire department and a university.

Franklin earned the title of "The First American" for his early and indefatigable campaigning for colonial unity; as an author and spokesman in London for several colonies, then as the first United States Ambassador to France, he exemplified the emerging American nation. Franklin was foundational in defining the American ethos as a marriage of the practical values of thrift, hard work, education, community spirit, self-governing institutions, and opposition to authoritarianism both political and religious, with the scientific and tolerant values of the Enlightenment. In the words of historian Henry Steele Commager, "In a Franklin could be merged the virtues of Puritanism without its defects, the illumination of the Enlightenment without its heat." To Walter Isaacson, this makes Franklin "the most accomplished American of his age and the most influential in inventing the type of society America would become."

Franklin, always proud of his working class roots, became a successful newspaper editor and printer in Philadelphia, the leading city in the colonies. He was also partners with William Goddard and Joseph Galloway the three of whom published the Pennsylvania Chronicle, a newspaper that was known for its revolutionary sentiments and criticisms of the British monarchy in the American colonies. He became wealthy publishing Poor Richard's Almanack and The Pennsylvania Gazette.

Franklin gained international renown as a scientist for his famous experiments in electricity and for his many inventions, especially the lightning rod. He played a major role in establishing the University of Pennsylvania and was elected the first president of the American Philosophical Society. Franklin became a national hero in America when he spearheaded the effort to have Parliament repeal the unpopular Stamp Act. An accomplished diplomat, he was widely admired among the French as American minister to Paris and was a major figure in the development of positive Franco-American relations.

For many years he was the British postmaster for the colonies, which enabled him to set up the first national communications network. He was active in community affairs, colonial and state politics, as well as national and international affairs. From 1785 to 1788, he served as governor of Pennsylvania. Toward the end of his life, he freed his slaves and became one of the most prominent abolitionists.

His colorful life and legacy of scientific and political achievement, and status as one of America's most influential Founding Fathers, have seen Franklin honored on coinage and money; warships; the names of many towns, counties, educational institutions, namesakes, and companies; and more than two centuries after his death, countless cultural references. (summary adapted from wikipedia.org)

Total running time: 7:30:39
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Post by Winston » November 16th, 2014, 10:20 am

E Irizarry R&B Singer wrote:If Bennie had left that early to go abroad, then he knew that this ship was going to eventually sink 300 something years later. Talk about being astute/precocious!!!
Not exactly. He viewed the US Constitution as an experiment. He had no idea how long it would last.

He liked Europe more cause there was more culture, intellectual stimulation there, and the women were more interesting and sophisticated too. He was a celebrity there, and was appreciated and treated better than in America.

Before the American Revolution he spent many years during the 1760's to try to reconcile Britain and America because he loved the British Empire. But after he was scorned and insulted in the British Parliament, he became a supporter of the American Revolution. That's what historians say.

That doesn't make sense though. Being scorned and insulted in parliament shouldn't cause someone to betray their king and country like that. There must have been more to it. He was a Freemason too, so perhaps he was part of a plot.

After the war was over when he returned to America, his daughter Sally said that he should have stayed in Paris, because they loved him more there, whereas he was criticized and bashed in America by the "free press". Even when he died, his funeral in Paris was much bigger and grander than in America.

This shorter biographical documentary of Benjamin Franklin explains that at the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKQDC8LAtY

The thing is, Americans didn't want to give Benjamin Franklin too much credit for winning the Revolutionary War because:

1) They were resentful that during the 8 years of the Revolutionary war when everyone was suffering and toiling and getting killed, he was off in Paris living in luxury while wining and dining upper class women. He was living the good life there, and did not suffer and toil like George Washington and his troops did.

2) If they gave him credit for convincing the French to help America win the war, then they would be admitting that they only won due to French help, which would not be very glorious. They preferred to give all the credit to George Washington because the notion of him and his men winning the war due to their great endurance and tenacity, was a more glorious and prideful image.

So it's understandable why America didn't appreciate his contribution to the war as much. So much for all his efforts.
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Post by Moretorque » November 19th, 2014, 3:28 pm

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Post by MrMan » November 20th, 2014, 1:13 am

America was the frontier back then with farmers, back woodsmen, and busy shop keepers. Institutions were new and not as developed as Europe. Europe had the universities, intellectuals, and the wealthy folks who could sit around and talk about ideas. Franklin was such a genius that he was respected for it in Europe. He was publicly insulted, though, by a legal official about some of the unrest in the American Colonies and decided to side with the revolution. There was a rumor in England at that time that Franklin had developed an electric machine that could turn the country literally upside down.

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Post by Jester » November 20th, 2014, 8:22 am

Franklin was probably the greatest intellect among the Founding Fathers, who were themselves a REALLY amazing collection.

And yes, he was indeed HA. He served as our ambassador in Paris, the world's greatest city at the time, charmed both courtiers and courtesans, secured French aid, and won us the war.

At the age of 80 he was getting laid in the licentious French court, in his nation's service. As they say, "someone had to do it".

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Post by Winston » November 20th, 2014, 8:35 am

MrMan wrote:America was the frontier back then with farmers, back woodsmen, and busy shop keepers. Institutions were new and not as developed as Europe. Europe had the universities, intellectuals, and the wealthy folks who could sit around and talk about ideas. Franklin was such a genius that he was respected for it in Europe. He was publicly insulted, though, by a legal official about some of the unrest in the American Colonies and decided to side with the revolution. There was a rumor in England at that time that Franklin had developed an electric machine that could turn the country literally upside down.
Yeah but one thing though. Franklin was loyal to England his whole life and he loved the British Empire too. For many years he hoped that the Colonies and England could coexist together. Historians say that Franklin sided with the Revolution because he was scorned and insulted in British Parliament for releasing the Hutchinson papers and causing a lot of problems.

However, this is too far fetched. An honorable man would not betray his king and country like that, simply because he got scorned in Parliament. It doesn't make sense.

Don't forget that Franklin was a Freemason too, just like Washington and many of the founding fathers. It's been revealed by Manly P. Hall, the great Masonic philosopher, in his book "The Secret Destiny of America" that the Masons and Rosicrucians planned the founding of America long ago. It was to be established as "The New Atlantis" under the principles of the Enlightenment era and become a utopia and world superpower.

Also, the "Sons of Liberty" who started the Boston Tea Party, met in a Masonic lodge to plan their activities. See the connection there?

What this means is that most likely, Franklin was in on a Masonic plot to create a "New Atlantis" in America. And so was Washington. Why do you think George Washington led the Continental Army through lots of toil, suffering and pain with no pay and nothing to gain personally, but everything to lose? Obviously because his Masonic lodge ordered him to do so. No man would join something in which he had nothing to gain personally but everything to lose. Washington was already very wealthy and did not need anything from the Revolution. Only by him being part of a Masonic plot, does it make sense.

Check out this 3 hour Christian documentary called "The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers" in which they show hundreds of proofs that the Founding Fathers were not Christian at all, but very anti-Christian and wanted to do away with Christianity. It's very ironclad.



Thomas Jefferson wrote many anti-Christian articles and loathed Christianity. But he kept those writings from the public because they would damage him politically. He only wanted them released after his death. He hated Christianity so much in fact, that he did not want to leave the world without giving Christianity a "piece of his mind".

The founding fathers were adherents of the Enlightenment era of the 18th century. They believed in a culture of science and reason rather than religion. Also, the concept of "freedom of religion" is a secular concept, not a Christian one, since the Bible absolutely does NOT support freedom of religion. This is something that Christian patriots who believe that America was founded as a Christian nation, fail to take into account.

However, the Pilgrims and Puritans that colonized America in the 1600's were real Christians, evidenced by their writings and behavior. But the founding fathers of the Revolution definitely were not. The documentary above proves it beyond all doubt with hundreds of proofs.
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Post by starchild5 » November 20th, 2014, 9:43 am

On my research on the founding fathers --- I have lost count on the number of secret societies they were part of...from being satanists as well as ritually murdering countless men and children.

Micheal Tsarion has not so good things to say on Ben and other founding fathers and how they conned America.

http://www.taroscopes.com/miscellanous- ... ional.html

He was a member of Sun Order, Order of the quest, Ordo Saturnus, Hell fire club and many others...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/astor.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... ti_11a.htm

1776
Benjamin Franklin, born in Boston. Was one of the diplomats chosen to negotiate peace with Great Britain, and who helped draft the Declaration of Independence, one of the 56 who signed this document, and was instrumental in achieving the adoption of the U.S. Constitution. Was also a Mason. Was also a member of the Collins family of Satanists who called themselves the Hell Fire Club. Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were members of this purely Satanic group who practiced satanic sexual occult rituals.

1776 Dec.
Benjamin Franklin, a key leader of several secret occult fraternal groups was also a close friend of Pierre Samuel DuPont. When Benjamin Franklin arrived Dec. 1776 in France, one of the first people he sought out to visit with was Pierre Samuel DuPont. During the next year after that, DuPont was a frequent visitor to Franklin’s residence in the village of Passy.

Then we have this...

Bodies_Found_In_Ben_Franklins_basement

http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/F/Be ... sement.htm

Remains of ten bodies at Ben Franklin's home

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... bodies.htm

We have lame stream media covering up his ritual by usual research on anatomy stories.

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Post by Jester » November 20th, 2014, 9:54 am

Winston wrote:
Yeah but one thing though. Franklin was loyal to England his whole life and he loved the British Empire too. For many years he hoped that the Colonies and England could coexist together. Historians say that Franklin sided with the Revolution because he was scorned and insulted in British Parliament for releasing the Hutchinson papers and causing a lot of problems.
Who are these historians? This is silly. He was for decent treatment of the colonies. As I would have been. For the first year of armed conflict, Washington's officers toasted the King every night, hoping for a settlement that did not mean a total break. Was Washington ALSO "loyal" to England? This puts a deceptive slant on the facts.

Franklin broke with his son, who sided with England. He didnt do that if he was secretly for England.

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Don't forget that Franklin was a Freemason too, just like Washington and many of the founding fathers. It's been revealed by Manly P. Hall, the great Masonic philosopher, in his book "The Secret Destiny of America" that the Masons and Rosicrucians planned the founding of America long ago. It was to be established as "The New Atlantis" under the principles of the Enlightenment era and become a utopia and world superpower.
Columbus discovered the Americas in 1492. Later, MUCH later, some Masons in England or France probably did blather about such an idea in some mystical secret meeting. By that time colonization was well under way. Most of the Luciferian mumbo-jumbo didnt surface in England and France till the 1700's. (Hellfire Clubs, Voltaire, etc.) They were playing for control of their countries, and eventually Europe. America was not their focus till the 1800's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Mo ... i-Mason%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike#Freemasonry

There were masons in America at the time of the War of Independence, but they were the old benign type, a sort of men's self-improvement cartel, like Kiwanis or Rotarians, not yet infested with Illuminati rites or beliefs. As you know, George Washington himself wrote a private letter specifically about that. These were not today's masons who use Luciferian handsigns etc.
http://truthstreammedia.com/washington- ... olution-2/
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Also, the "Sons of Liberty" who started the Boston Tea Party, met in a Masonic lodge to plan their activities. See the connection there?
Nope, I don't. Masonic lodges offered a men's club environment where people could talk in secret. A natural place to meet and talk. Some meetings also took place in taverns and churches. But the trust among masons allowed free speech, so it was unique. Christians can often discern each others trustworthiness, but could not generally be assumed to oppose the king. A believing Christian, trustworthy as all get out, might easily feel led by conscience to turn patriot conspirators into the royal authorities. Meeting under masonic protection made damn good sense.
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Obviously because his Masonic lodge ordered him to do so. No man would join something in which he had nothing to gain personally but everything to lose. Washington was already very wealthy and did not need anything from the Revolution. Only by him being part of a Masonic plot, does it make sense.
Hunh? A guy who had it all, would risk life and limb, AND property, because of a directive from The Lodge? Then after winning, go home, ask nothing?

His motive was his love of freedom.

I wish I knew some classic history books I could recommend, but you are feeding at the trough of the History Channel's sensationalism - or someone of that ilk.
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Check out this 3 hour Christian documentary
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The founding fathers were adherents of the Enlightenment era of the 18th century. They believed in a culture of science and reason rather than religion.
Lyndon LaRouche's various front organizations gave the best treatment of this in the modern era. Basically his argument is that Washington et al. were Christians in the sense of building civilization, improving society, uplifting people, upholding and improving morality.

The fanatics who claim the Puritans were good, but the Founding Fathers were bad, are locked into a loser mindset, wherein a ragged, miserable band of Christians separate themselves from the larger world - with which nothing can be done. All is evil except the guys on stage calling you to the altar. Yeah right.

What they miss is that God CREATED this world, Jesus REDEEMED it, and we now RUN it. You can always find some fanatical Protestant on YouTube griping that someone else isn't pure enough. But their own griping is what gives them away. THEY are doing the Devil's divisive work. They are just like folks who rag on Alex Jones, because he is not outspoke ENOUGH. In a word, they are wrong.

The Founding Fathers wrote a brilliant Constitution, they preserved and built upon Anglo-Saxon Common Law (as defended and codified at Runnymede, in the Magna Carta), their work is some of the best ever devised. If they had wanted dictatorship, they could have easily had it under King George.

BTW there WAS a heavy-handed Masonic undercurrent in the young nation. Masons wanted a tomb for Washington in the Capitol basement. They were annoying and pervasive. But I do not see any evidence of Satanism or Luciferianism or even political conspiracy, till a little later.
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Post by Winston » November 20th, 2014, 11:06 am

But Jester, how do you explain these bones found in the house where Ben Franklin lived when he was in England?

Bodies_Found_In_Ben_Franklins_basement

http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/F/Be ... sement.htm

Remains of ten bodies at Ben Franklin's home

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... bodies.htm

They appear to have been used in a Satanic ritual, not medical experiments by Franklin's doctor friend, especially since some of the bones were charred by fire.

Franklin was a member of the Hellfire Club, as well as the Masons and Rosicrucians. The Hellfire Club was known to practice orgies and Satanic rituals. So how do you explain that?

Also, a secret society is by definition secret, so you can't know all of their secrets. Right? lol

You ought to see that three hour documentary about the Founding Fathers above. It's a Christian documentary with hundreds of proofs and ironclad evidence. It also addresses the argument that "The Masons were a benign group at first, but later became infiltrated by the Illuminati" and presents evidence to the contrary. You should watch it. It's a very good documentary. You will learn a lot of fascinating and shocking info from it.

Finally, you asked "Who are these historians?" They are the historians who narrated the long three hour PBS documentary on Franklin's life posted above in the OP. They are authoritative biographers on Franklin's life. Yes, they claim that he supported the Revolution because he got insulted in Parliament. Do you buy that?

One more thing. You think George Washington risked everything because he loved freedom? Aren't you just buying the official line?

Let me ask you this then: During the Battle of Long Island, the British General Howe had TWO OPPORTUNITIES to destroy Washington's Continental army and capture him. Yet he squandered both of them! WTF? That might have ended the Revolution, at least for a time. SO WHY DIDN'T HE?????? It's never been explained. Historians can't figure it out either. It's like Howe deliberately allowed Washington to escape. This means that he either:

1) Secretly believed in the Revolution, which was unlikely.
2) Was ordered by a Freemason to not destroy the Continental Army.
3) Was a Freemason himself.

Which is it? If you don't believe me, check out this History Channel documentary about how General Howe captured New York and allowed Washington's army to escape, TWICE! The historians in it say that they can't explain why Howe did that, and that it was never explained afterward.

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Post by Winston » November 20th, 2014, 11:54 am

Jester,
Here's another MUST SEE documentary that will blow you away and mesmerize you for three hours! It's called "Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings - Vol 1. The New Atlantis". A lot of secrets are revealed about how the founding of America was planned long before Columbus by the Secret Societies who planned to revive Atlantis.

It says that America's true founder was Francis Bacon, a brilliant Renaissance man who gained a lot of scientific knowledge from communicating with spirits, along with his mentor, the sorcerer John D (whom the wizard in Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings is based on).

One day the spirits told Francis Bacon that America was the lost continent of Atlantis and needed to be revived so that it could dominate the world and bring forth a New Age or New World Order, one in which the old world order of monarchies would be usurped by the principles of the Enlightenment, which was based on science and reason and humanism rather than religion. This was to be done through a series of Revolutions all over the world, starting with the American Revolution.

Isn't that exactly what happened? That's why they engineered the American Revolution, then the French Revolution, and so forth. And why monarchies no longer rule the world today.

So Francis Bacon persuaded Queen Elizabeth in the late 1500's to begin colonizing America so that these prophecies could be fulfilled. That's why England began colonizing America in 1585.

Also, Christopher Columbus' wife descended from the Knights of Templar, and in fact, Columbus' ship had the flag of the Knights of Templar on it too (red cross on white flag). So he was probably connected to this secret plan too.

All of this is mentioned in a book by the great Masonic philosopher Manly P. Hall called "The Secret Destiny of America" which you should look for online.

Fascinating huh? Check out the documentary about this below. You will be blown away and mesmerized for three hours! It's very jaw dropping.



Description of the documentary:

"The greatest "Whodunit" of the past 500 years! Secret Mysteries takes the mystery out of America's history. This video unfolds the fascinating history behind the founding of America, and exposes the esoteric underbelly of its design. Why is Washington D.C. build on the 77th Meridian? Are the Revolutionary War cities really built in perfect alignment with Stonehenge? If America was founded as a Christian nation, why are many of its symbols, buildings, and monuments based on Pagan traditions? There is no doubt that much of America's national heritage was Christian, but just as a coin has two sides, our national heritage has a second side -- one based squarely on occult secret societies and their values.

To find the answer to these questions, we follow the journey of secret societies from England to the New World and learn of their ancient hope: to rebuild the lost empire of Atlantis.

In the 16th century, Sir Francis Bacon was at the helm of the secret societies in England. When Bacon penned his classic work, 'The New Atlantis' he believed that America and Atlantis were one and the same. He outlined his vision for the perfect society, and some suggest the program he set forth has been the driving force behind the course of modern history. While he did not originate the concept, it was Bacon who articulated an ancient plan to be carried out by all the secret orders. As Chief of the Rosicrucians and the first Grand Master of modern Freemasonry, Bacon sent his followers to the new world. A 1910 Newfoundland stamp with his image upon it reads, 'Lord Bacon: the Guiding Spirit in [the] Colonization Scheme.' Because of his influence, Francis Bacon is considered by some to be 'the real and true founder of America.' For centuries, controversy has surrounded this figure who is said to be the illegitimate son of Queen Elizabeth I, and secret author of the Shakespeare plays; the man whom Thomas Jefferson considered one of the three most influential men in history.

Is it possible that Bacon's vision guides America today?

Where The DaVinci Code meets National Treasure: Learn the incredible secrets of the esoteric traditions, hidden within the manifold layers of signs and symbols in our nation's infrastructure. Find out why some believe that from ancient times America has been chosen to fulfill a secret destiny."
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Post by Jester » November 21st, 2014, 12:00 am

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But Jester, how do you explain these bones found in the house where Ben Franklin lived when he was in England?

Bodies_Found_In_Ben_Franklins_basement

http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/F/Be ... sement.htm

Remains of ten bodies at Ben Franklin's home

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... bodies.htm

They appear to have been used in a Satanic ritual, not medical experiments by Franklin's doctor friend, especially since some of the bones were charred by fire.
Winston both those links appear to say that the bodies were buried there to cover up graverobbing for the sake of medical research, ie. science. Franklin was known to support science.
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Franklin was a member of the Hellfire Club..... The Hellfire Club was known to practice orgies and Satanic rituals. So how do you explain that?
AFAIK, the Hellfire Clubs were like Playboy clubs, casinos, high-level brothels I think. These were actual known places, not secret lairs. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. I've been at a strip joint before, a couple of times in connection with weddings, more times on my own. Doesn't make me a whore, a pimp, or a mafia club-owner. We would need more than "Ben Franklin got a lap dance" to label him a Satanist.
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It also addresses the argument that "The Masons were a benign group at first, but later became infiltrated by the Illuminati" and presents evidence to the contrary. You should watch it.
I would watch five minutes on that topic. But the fact that you can build a case doesnt mean its true. Dont get me wrong, I am not for early masonry EITHER. But the vilification of EVERYONE strikes me as possible disinformation. Cause if EVERYONE is a bad guy, then yo cant trust ANYONE, so you cant form any alliance or movement or resistance... and you die. Ron Paul may be a freemason - so waht he is a smalltown doctor. Alex Jones has a Jewish fife. So what maybe she had nice tits? These guys are doing good. Let's not try to be so spiritually perfect that we are no earthly good.
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Let me ask you this then: During the Battle of Long Island, the British General Howe had TWO OPPORTUNITIES to destroy Washington's Continental army and capture him. Yet he squandered both of them! WTF? That might have ended the Revolution, at least for a time. SO WHY DIDN'T HE?????? It's never been explained. Historians can't figure it out either. It's like Howe deliberately allowed Washington to escape. This means that he either:

1) Secretly believed in the Revolution, which was unlikely.
2) Was ordered by a Freemason to not destroy the Continental Army.
3) Was a Freemason himself.

Which is it? If you don't believe me, check out this History Channel documentary about how General Howe captured New York and allowed Washington's army to escape, TWICE! The historians in it say that they can't explain why Howe did that, and that it was never explained afterward.
There always reasons, easier to see as a Monday morning quarterback. Maybe Howe was screwing a cute girl, maybe he war afraid of Washington's artillery, maybe he thought he could win by surrounding the island and checkmating the Yankees rather than attacking head-on. As you know, Washington was good at moving his troops by surprise (crossing the Delaware, Battle of Princeton, etc.) Combing through all of history to find a lethargic, cowardly or incompetent general, then assuming conspiracy, is one-sided. What about all the times generals on both sides fought bravely and fiercely? Why would they do that if they were fellow masons? Truth is many probably WERE masons, but that kind of gentlemen's bond can get lost once the bullets are flying. Just like almost all leaders on both sides were educated Christian Englishmen. Common background, different sides.
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Re: Benjamin Franklin, our Founding Father, was HAPPIER ABRO

Post by Jester » November 21st, 2014, 12:27 am

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That's why they engineered the American Revolution, then the French Revolution, and so forth.
The Illuminati were directly behind the French Revolution, they were an above-ground order at the time.

By contrast, they were not yet in America. If fact we didn't HAVE a "revolution" in America. We had a War of Independence, in which we severed ties to the mother country, and to its German-speaking King, George III of Hanover, who was trying to govern as an absolute monarch.
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All of this is mentioned in a book by the great Masonic philosopher Manly P. Hall called "The Secret Destiny of America" which you should look for online.
Masons claim a lot of things. They are a source, but a one-sided one. Like Illuminati and Bolsheviks, they sometimes claim to have caused or thought of things that they really didnt cause at all. Like a control-freak tripping on the carpet, hopping up and saying, "I meant to do that".

Try reading Rothschild's psychotic villain-monologue in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". He brags that they are in total control, unstoppable. He smirks, rails, threatens, he practically drools.

In real life, as in movies, psychopaths like to brag.
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Where The DaVinci Code meets National Treasure: Learn the incredible secrets of the esoteric traditions, hidden within the manifold layers of signs and symbols in our nation's infrastructure. Find out why some believe that from ancient times America has been chosen to fulfill a secret destiny."
DaVinci Code and National Treasure were both works of fiction. So this sums it up. This is storytelling applied to rewriting history, to making these pathetic whiny nerds appear invincible. Yes, sorcery and occult stuff has been around for millennia. Yes, the masons in America need a beat-down of their corrupted order and the neopagan obelisks too. But no, the Founding Fathers were not Illuminists. Washington was a believing born-again Christian by that time. All the Founding Fathers knew the Bible - knew it cold. Including Franklin.

Thomas Paine was known as an atheist, and was always regarded with suspicion by old-fashioned historians. I wondered if he might be the one exception to the case I am making, so I googled him. Look what I found!

http://philadelphians.50megs.com/darill8.html

Pay dirt. Paine, along with the French revolutionaries, started introducing Illuminati influence right after Independence.

Thats all I have time for, sorry.
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Re: Benjamin Franklin, our Founding Father, was HAPPIER ABRO

Post by Winston » December 6th, 2014, 7:17 pm

Here are the video segments about Francis Bacon and John Dee (the original 007) from the "Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings" documentary and from Michael Tsarion's lectures. It's very mind blowing and tells about how they founded America and the British Empire after communicating with occult entities.

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