Trump vs. Hillary Live Debate

[Moretorque]

Trump will get more votes but lose the election from our rulers cheating. The elections are easily rigged in the key swing states and where I am the voting machines are electronic with no paper trail.

Watch the Bev Harris documentary " Hacking Democracy " and her web site goes way beyond the movie in depth on how rigged our democracy is. Democracy is an illusion in America today, our rulers have decided we are too stupid to run our own lives and it appears they are correct!

[Winston]

If you think Trump is finished, see his recent rally in Florida. It will change your mind and rev you up to believe in him again. It's like a gospel revival rally. You can see how strong he is. He acts like he is destined to win. But he sounds like Alex Jones now with all the anti-establishment rhetoric. I've never seen a Presidential candidate bash the system like that before. He might as well join the Conspiracy/Truther movement.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fXaHLsrvdU[/youtube]

[Rock]

I'm ok with paying you US$500 if Trump DOES win as long as you will pay me US$250 if he DOES NOT win. But if you don't trust the system, I get that so never mind. I can't imagine Trump winning now unless Hillary gets very sick or something extraordinary along those lines.

If you rarely loose bets, then why didn't you hit the strip when you were in Vegas and make a pile of cash. Why didn't you join Hy when you were in Angeles and earn from casinos just as he seems to do?

I'll think about it. You misunderstood me. I don't bet in casinos. I meant personal bets with individuals or friends over something I am sure that I'm right about. Those kind of bets I almost always win. I don't remember losing any yet. I only make those kind of bets if the odds are on my side heavily or I am sure about something that we are disputing.

I've won most bets against my dad too, even though no money was exchanged. So it was a figurative "bet". Most of the time when we disagree about a way to fix a problem and he doesn't believe me, he's proven wrong later on. A lot of older Asians are stubborn and narrow, even when logic dictates that they are probably wrong, they still stick to an illogical assumption. They are stubborn just for the sake of being stubborn, not for a well thought out reason.

Don't think about it. Because as the clock ticks, visibility will improve so you will be better informed as to whether or not to take the bet. It's a now or never deal. If you don't want it due to assumption of election rigging, that's fine.

BTW, I can't stand Hillary too. I just think tables have tilted largely in her favor as of late. Besides Trump being branded as a sex offender, that Wikileaks stuff against Hillary is way over the heads of American masses. They need something simple to sink their teeth into.

[Rock]

Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert, discusses election and strategies used by candidates on Rubin Report, September 2, 2016. He's a man who understands hypnosis and persuasion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AMV6SLT9KI

[gsjackson]

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All that legal fiction like Glass Steagall is just plain bull $hit, they just do that to make you believe there is rule of law and the people running this counterfeiting operation are constrained by laws.

Maybe, but it's not self evidently true. If banks are prohibited from speculating by using depositors' money protected by the FDIC, then a lot of the current financial mischief will be curtailed. You should explain yourself, because as you conceive of things there's absolutely nothing that can be done democratically to keep the ruling class from doing anything they want. So why even discuss it?

Glass Steagall, of course, was ended during the first Clinton administration, a time when this country was taken over completely by an evil spirit, I'm convinced. The sheer dishonesty of American public life now is suffocating.

[droid]

My theory makes more sense than yours. Scandals dont change someones mind especially when its just words and not actions. Plus what he said was nothing illegal. What hillary has done is illegal though. Even bill clintons monica lewinsky scandal did not ruin his popularity.

Youre not seeing the big picture rock. Youre only focusing on one little thing. Typical Taiwanese narrow mindedness and small mindedness. Lol.

Plus look at the two trump rallies recently after the debate. Tens of thousands showed up. Hardly anyone shows up at hillarys rallies. Only the media wants you to believe that trump is losing support. Youve fallen for the media con. Even alex jones can see through it.

It's not what he said. It's the credibility his recent locker room talk give to his many accusers, those who are saying that he sexually assaulted them. And sexual assault is a crime. Grabbing a girl's p***y without her consent is a crime in the USA. And there are many women in America who would like to put an old white man in prison for life for such a thing so socially, it's even worse.

Sex scandals do ruin people. Are you kidding. Lewinsky scandal did hurt Bill too. As for the big picture, a few rallies don't decide the elections. And mainstream media may be a con but it still influences a huge percentage of the American voting population.

Alex Jones, wow what a credible source haha. Again are you joking?

Do you still think Trump has a good chance? Look at the bigger picture my friend. Half the voters out there are women. Trump at this stage is being perceived more and more like a pervy old white man.

That's exactly the problem, what Winston and others are not seeing is that since Amerikunts go for looks and age a lot more, Clinton got pretty much a free pass at his time, while Trump is already being called a 'creep'. They're going as far as saying that his pic with 16yo Ivanka was "creepy". Look it up.

Trump getting good rallies while preaching to the choir, and confirming his core base is solid, is not going to win him anything. It's the same god damn mistakes as Mitt Romney, preaching the same old points to his base and everyone patting themselves on the back. The same goddamn mistakes as Mitt Romney. thinking the circle-jerk success was all that was needed.

He should be aiming at Sanders supporters real hard, he did reference Sanders loosely a few times but nothing solid. He must just mention if they want another decade of warmongering they should vote for Clinton and other things to that effect. He should also address the student loans thing and make some promises (false or not) on that area.

He got a great chance with the predictably planted muslim chick, but wasted it completely. He keeps interrupting himself (in this he is similar to Ron Paul unfortunately) with random thoughts, and the swaying and phrase repetition are cringe-worthy.

Look how the witch just laughs off any attacks and can take full advantage of the audience, she asks, and remembers, the names of those asking the questions and perfectly executes some empathy feigning. She's a monster but skillful as hell.

[Rock]

Winston, you do know that virtually all electoral votes are in states where winner takes all in general elections, right?

And majority of states seem to be pretty much decided unless you totally disregard polling and party loyalty. The electoral vote count tallies from those states strongly favor Hillary but still not quite enough to give her a win without a few more votes from remaining states.

On the other hand, Trump will need to kill her in those remaining states, the so-called battle ground territory, in order to win the general election.

But the scandal seems to be affecting his numbers in those critical states. It may not quite be over but it's very close. If Hillary achieves double digit leads with the top half of these states (electoral vote wise), then she would probably have to puke out a lung or something not to win at that stage.

[Russian1860]

Look at that, the latest survey shows, Trump takes the lead:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... atch_oct13

[Winston]

So how is a woman supposed to give consent to grab her p***y? Tell you "please grab my p***y"? What if youre making out with her and you grab her pusssy? Is that consent? How do you know these accusers arent bbeing paid?

Even if the allegations are true, so what? Hillary is still worse.

Trump is an ALPHA male. Hes allowed to get away with stuff like that. Hes not a normal guy. Hes alpha. So people expect that. The same way they let james bond or hugh hefner get away with it.

I would bet you but not that amount. More like 500 to 250. But i cant be assured that the election wont be rigged. So im hesitant about it. I prefer to bet on a fair playing field. You should know something though. I rarely lose bets.

Winston,

You may be right that women are attracted to Alpha men. But it won't matter one bit if Hillary ends up winning a rigged election.

Understand, there was never a fair playing field. From the start, Trump was a marked man. OTOH Hillary skated from scandals that should have sunk her candidacy early on.

You say you "rarely lose bets"? Well, here's your chance now to put your money where your mouth is. Who knows? You might win.

Because dummy, the reason i rarely lose bets is because i only bet when i am sure i will win. Not because i make random bets regardless of the odds. Duh. Use your head. Im not stupid you know.

I think americans are smart enough to not let sexual remarks get in the way. What matters is who will do the best job. Most americans vote for the man who will do a better job even if he says some vulgar things. They dont expect a man to be perfect. Especially people who like trump will let such things pass, especially if the other candidate is much worse.

[Kradmelder]

So how is a woman supposed to give consent to grab her p***y? Tell you "please grab my p***y"? What if youre making out with her and you grab her pusssy? Is that consent? How do you know these accusers arent bbeing paid?

Even if the allegations are true, so what? Hillary is still worse.

Trump is an ALPHA male. Hes allowed to get away with stuff like that. Hes not a normal guy. Hes alpha. So people expect that. The same way they let james bond or hugh hefner get away with it.

I would bet you but not that amount. More like 500 to 250. But i cant be assured that the election wont be rigged. So im hesitant about it. I prefer to bet on a fair playing field. You should know something though. I rarely lose bets.

Winston,

You may be right that women are attracted to Alpha men. But it won't matter one bit if Hillary ends up winning a rigged election.

Understand, there was never a fair playing field. From the start, Trump was a marked man. OTOH Hillary skated from scandals that should have sunk her candidacy early on.

You say you "rarely lose bets"? Well, here's your chance now to put your money where your mouth is. Who knows? You might win.

Because dummy, the reason i rarely lose bets is because i only bet when i am sure i will win. Not because i make random bets regardless of the odds. Duh. Use your head. Im not stupid you know.

I think americans are smart enough to not let sexual remarks get in the way. What matters is who will do the best job. Most americans vote for the man who will do a better job even if he says some vulgar things. They dont expect a man to be perfect. Especially people who like trump will let such things pass, especially if the other candidate is much worse.

I hope you are right. From the outside it appears like USA politics is overly concerned with the sex lives of politicians. Sex comments and actions get plastered all over the media. Like the Bill Clinton saga. To europeans, this makes no sense as it is not relevant. Only when it is criminal and perverted, like the British MPs with little boys, does it become relevant and get coverage. Even still, it gets less coverage then an american male getting his end away. Even those debates are overly concerned with sexual remarks. Like if Clinton and Trump are screwing their way through every piece of fanny available, it is really only of concern to their wives. If Clinton stuck his willie in a jewesses mouth, or Trump grabbed some heifer's fanny, does it really determine their capability to run a country? It may mean they are not good husband material, but nothing more. Why don't they say yes I did it I am just a normal man with urges like everyone else. That would undermine all this media gossip. Like here President Zuma was charged with rape. He still holds office. Most blacks don't see rape as a serious offence, and it only shows he is a normal man. There was more media focus on his comment that a took a shower afterwards not to get aids than on the fact that he slept with some young girl who is not one of his wives. It only got him the nickname showerhead.

What is difficult to fathom from outside, is how much does this publicity about sex lives actually influence how americans will vote. If, as you say, americans are smart enough to ignore sexual comments, why then does the media focus so much on it to slander those not following the kosher agenda?

[Moretorque]

, why then does the media focus so much on it to slander those not following the kosher agenda?

Because Communism Socialism is the biggest lie of the last 160 years, for the good of the community you have no choice and no market function for the people living under said lie.

Our rulers just use their endless supply of #'s to manipulate everything including us with the media even though the media outlets are losing all credit to pay the loans back and are insolvent because nobody pays attention to them they just get a Kosher bailout or buyout.

Clear Channel is a prime example.

This system is a counterfeiting con job and nothing more, they know most of the citizens of the world are retards so the agenda continues.

[Winston]

I dont get something. If the establishment can rig the election, why is it trying so hard to slander him? Why dont they just sit back and do nothing and just wait to rig the election? Isnt donald trump worried about the election being rigged?

Also why isnt hillary campaigning hard like trump is? Trump is in florida now making 3 speeches a day, an hour each. He puts a lot of energy into them. But hillary isnt doing that. Is it because shes too weak to do that or because she knows the election will be rigged in her favor? The fact that shes not campaigning makes her look weak.

Donald trump is probably the most kick ass tough presidential candidate since andrew jackson. Jackson also hated corruption and took down the central bank in the 1830s.

Another reason i think trump will win is because he LOOKS like a winner. Hillary does not. She doesnt have a winner look. Nor does she look strong. She looks like a servant of corruption and puppet of the status quo.

[Winston]

Even if trump wins, i dont think he can change everything in america. He can make many improvements though and turn things around. He may make america stronger and better. But he isnt gonna make the women more humble or the dating scene better for men. Hence happier abroad is still required. Remember he is trying to improve the economy, not the dating scene. So its irrelevant to our cause.

Also he may face a lot of opposition from the congress and senate, which are corrupted and run by the establishment. He may even he targeted by the CIA too. Remember the CIA is the fourth branch of government and controls the other three.

Does the mafia still exist in america? I mean the same one that helped take out JFK in 1963 and provided some of the shooters. If not, then the CIA cannot just shoot trump because the CIA doesnt want to get their hands dirty. They prefer to use shooters from a third party like the mafia. So they would seek another way of assassinating him. Better hope trump has good security or gets the secrets service on his side.

[TheLight954]

Imo, Trump is going to win in terms of votes(but based on how corrupt the establishment is, so I don't know if it will be fair or not) for sure by November. This is because the Clinton campaign(the MSM) is out of attacks - they resort to some decade ago lust thing which doesn't say anything about how Trump is except that he's the typical male and not fake and artificial like many people(particularly liberals), and they even resort to faking a rape case that is now exposed. On the other hand, WikiLeaks is releasing new information each day, that makes complete sense to anyone in the Conspiracy/Truth movement, and can convince the most brainwashed people as well. Hillary doesn't even feel the courage to deny it(not the way Trump did with the rape case), but diverts to complete nonsense by saying "Russian Hackers want to influence the election result", because she knows she can't without appearing guilty. She already looks guilty when she got stunned after Trump threatened to put her jail, justifiably so for her crimes.

Trump is also campaigning a lot and hard, while Hillary just hides her face from the public, showing it only with extremely fake look promoted by drugs when she has to. The race is close to a dead heat right now based on polls other than the corrupt MSM ones, and the momentum seems to be on Trump's side heavily. On the balance, Trump could win by a landslide, or even get Hillary imprisoned if WikiLeaks releases enough.

Hillary is not campaigning because she knows that she has extremely poor health, and she wants to hide her face as much as possible as she is not releasing her true health status. She seems blatantly on some type of drug, as the look on her face seems completely FAKE, and it also was changing near the end of the debate.

They can't just rig the election - they need to make it look plausible and give it a fake image(with BS polls with far less independents then normal(which Trump wins by a huge margin, for obvious reasons), and conducted by one of the key figures of Clinton campaign, and with a sample of 500, which allows them to cherrypick), otherwise it'll be too obvious to the 50+% of the people who support Trump. MSM polls can easily be faked - such as the one the day before Brexit that showed a 10% lead for remain. As a result, they have made a simple lustful comment look far worse than it actually is, while reporting NOTHING about Clintons' actual crimes.

[Winston]

Look at that, the latest survey shows, Trump takes the lead:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... atch_oct13

Thats great. Maybe I should make that bet with rock after all.