the video describes in detail how the garden of eden story was derived from the stars. did you even watch the entire video? the connections are hardly arbitrary, but you ignore them because it disproves your beliefs. ea/enki is aquarius which in turn is yahweh. aquarius is ruled by the sign saturn, which also plays a big part in judaism. all the pieces involved here fall into place, youre the only one who insists on ignoring this fact.I don't think the video you posted provides anything conclusive on this issue. Pointing out some elemental or astrological similarities between different deities throughout different mythologies and religions doesn't definitively prove that Enki/Shiva is Yahweh. If anything this is nothing but heavy conjecture on part of people making these arbitrary connections.
wrong. only the new testament is associated with the age of pisces. the gnostic christians didnt even believe that jesus came from yahweh, but from a higher god. btw judaism is yahwehs/saturns religion:The Bible and biblical symbology is more closely associated with the fish, or Pisces if we're talking about astrological symbolism. The fish is a prominent symbol in the Bible and closely associated with Jesus Christ, who is a principle figure in the Bible. Christianity is Yahweh's religion, and is more closely associated with Pisces, and the age of Kali Yuga. Enki is associated with Aquarius, which is the dawn of Satya Yuga.
https://www.docdroid.net/sv8NuiX/saturn ... an1979-pdf
also you should stop arbitrarily conflating different systems of time (meshing astrological ages with hindu ages); there are some overlap and similarities but theyre not exactly the same, nor do they exactly correlate with each other. btw aquarius is ruled by the planet saturn, saturn rules "ignorance" in astrology. funny how according to you the enlightened satya yuga is associated with aquarius, which is in turn associated with the planet ruling ignorance. I actually study astrology so its funny hearing you try to lecture me about itlcabitius's description can serve
as a prototypical example of the negative concept of Saturn:
He is bad, masculine, in daytime cold, dry, melancholy, presides over
fathers . . over old age, and dotage . . . the worried, the low born, the
heavy, the dead, magicians, demons, devils, and people of ill fame-all
this when his condition is good. But when he is evil, he presides over
hatred, obstinacy, care, grief, lamenting, evil opinion, suspicion . . .
further he presides over miserly gains, over old and impossible things, far
travels, long absence, great poverty, avarice. . . . He has the faith of
Judaism, black clothing; of days Saturday, and the night of Wednesday.
actually theres no need for this. your original statements were:Let's reexamine some of your principle arguments and this time instead of using conjecture and astrological guesswork, we'll study what is actually written in the source material of both the Bible and the Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets.
you said that you dont think the two deities correlate with each other at all, but thats untrue because there are clear similarities between them. secondly youre making the mistake of trying to conflate sumerian mythology with hebrew mythology, which I warned you about in the previous post. youre trying to force correlations where there are none. there is *some* overlap between sumerian and hebrew mythology but there are also differences too. problems occur when you try to force things to fit.Enki is not Yahweh. After studying both the Bible and the cuneiform clay tablets of Sumer I don't think the two deities correlate with each other at all
The two beings are diametrically opposed and cannot be one and the same.
yeah youre demonstrating your dishonesty here and contradicting yourself:It's important to point out that neither Enki nor Anu created humanity as such. We were already here on Earth created by Brahman. Enki just used the DNA of the Annunaki and mixed it with the DNA of primal hominids that dwelled upon earth to give us a quantum leap with our evolution.1. According to another Sumerian myth Enki is the creator, having devised men as slaves to the gods."
-https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ea
-like enki, yahweh also created man
"Enki didnt create modern day humanity, he just mixed alien DNA with primal hominids in order to create modern day humanity"
so in other words...enki did create humanity (as we know it). youre trying very hard to work around this fact. the fact is, both yahweh and enki created humanity (in a meaningful sense). you admit this yourself but try to obfuscate it with unnecessary details.
whats more youre just making up stuff. nowhere does it say that enki used the DNA of the annunaki and mixed it with primal hominid DNA, or that we were already here created by brahman. everything ive found says that enki made humans out of clay (just like yahweh):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_ ... _from_clay
https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-hu ... texts-0065In Sumerian mythology, the gods Enki or Enlil create a servant of the gods, humankind, out of clay and blood (see Enki and the Making of Man). In another Sumerian story, both Enki and Ninmah create humans from the clay of the Abzu, the fresh water of the underground. They take turns in creating and decreeing the fate of the humans.[3]
you accused me of conjecture but this what youre doing. youre not sticking to the original texts, youre just making stuff up as you go.Anu, the god of gods, agreed that their labour was too great. His son Enki, or Ea, proposed to create man to bear the labour, and so, with the help of his half-sister Ninki, he did. A god was put to death, and his body and blood was mixed with clay. From that material the first human being was created, in likeness to the gods.
sumerian and hebrew mythology are different however the "correct" equivalence here is that anu is el elyon and yahweh is enki. judaism used to be polytheistic prior to the deuteronomic reforms when el elyon and yahweh were combined into one deity, but before that yahweh used to be considered as a son of el elyon. this goes back to the ugaritic concept of the divine council.In parallel with the Biblical narrative it wasn't Yahweh who bestowed the secrets of heaven and earth upon humanity, it was the Serpent. The Serpent being a symbol of both Enki and Shiva and not of Yahweh. Yahweh confronts Adam for eating from "the tree of knowledge" and disobeying his edicts. Furthermore, both Anu and Yahweh are known as the King of Heaven and the constellations and King of kings. He also takes credit for all creation and sees himself as an avatar of Brahman/All/Life, yet is part of the creation himself.
once again, also brahma is the creator, not brahman. youre totally ignoring anything that goes against your incorrect understanding of concepts:I don't believe either Enki or Yahweh created the world. That accomplishment belongs solely to Brahman, which is the creator of all things. Brahman is everything and everywhere, a truly omniscient Being. Both Enki and Yahweh, in all epics and stories, have a physical presence and must travel from place to place. They have a physical presence in the creation.2. "In the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian epic of creation, Enki is the father of the champion Marduk, who defeats the forces of chaos, and is co-creator of the world with his son. "
-https://www.worldhistory.org/Enki/
-like enki, yahweh also created the world
Besides, a lot of these creation epics are allegorical and shouldn't be taken literally. Co-creator of the world could easily mean that they're architects of civilisation for mankind, rather than being literal planetary creators like you seem to interpret them as.
https://mythnerd.com/brahma-vs-brahman- ... ifference/
this is another example of your dishonesty. its explicitly stated in the bible that yahweh created the world, likewise according to everything I can find about enki, it says that he created/co-created the world. in this case youre literally ignoring what the source materials are saying and just making up your own meaning. its funny how you were originally the one who discouraged conjecture and appealed to what is actually written in the source material yet youre doing the exact same thing:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Let's reexamine some of your principle arguments and this time instead of using conjecture and astrological guesswork, we'll study what is actually written in the source material of both the Bible and the Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets.
the problem is that youre once again trying to conflate different religious traditions. the enuma elish and the hebrew bible share some similarities but theyre not saying the same thing. stop acting as if theyre supposed to correlate 1:1 because theyre not.The difference here is that Enki didn't advocate for the flood and extinction of humanity. This was Anu's desire, because humanity was no longer content with living as slaves and sought to pursue their birthright given to us by our benefactor and true loving father. Anu already said we are unworthy of such knowledge and Enki disobeyed him and taught us anyway, similar to how Prometheus had taken "the fire of the gods" and given it to humanity against the will of Zeus and the gods of Olympus.3. "Enki recognizes the cruelty and injustice of this plan but cannot deter Enlil so he goes to earth and finds an honest man, Atrahasis, one who has always been both wise and kind and has devoted himself to Enki piously. Enki whispers to him to build an ark and enter it with two of every kind of animal."
-https://www.worldhistory.org/Enki/
-like enki, yahweh also tells noah to build an ark and enter it with two of every kind of animal
-keep in mind that the sign aquarius (enki/yahweh) is known as the water bearer and is connected with flooding.
nothing you said disproved the similarities I brought up regarding yahweh/enki when it came to the flood. youre trying very hard to rationalize these similarities and explain them away, but that doesnt change the fact that they exist.
technically yes. saturn has always been considered a malefic planet. in traditional astrology there are seven planets, two luminaries: the sun and the moon, two benefics: jupiter and venus, two malefics: mars and saturn, and one neutral: mercury. im saying this as someone that actually studies astrology. however its an oversimplification to say that saturn always brings about bad things, it can bring about good things as well. likewise yahweh is not 100% a villain, this is just your caricature of him, he has a mixed record and does some good and some bad, just like saturn.And was Saturn always a planet associated with malevolence? Or has Yahweh just made it that way? Yahweh has inverted and twisted everything Shiva did for us, slandering him as a devil and taking credit for all Shiva's deeds whilst projecting all his evils onto our true loving father.so enki is likely to be shiva huh?
https://www.astroground.com/blog/vedic- ... -astrologyso not only does saturn represent shiva, it also represents enki/aquarius since saturn rules the sign enki/aquarius and is connected with judaism. your own logic of enki being shiva incidentally confirms what ive been saying that enki is yahwehIn Vedic Astrology, the planet Saturn represents Shiva, also known as the Lord of Karma.
you keep trying your hardest to deny this but the facts are:
1.according to you, enki is shiva, which in turn is associated with saturn
2.enki/aquarius is associated with the planet saturn
3.judaism is also associated with saturn
there is a great deal of interrelation between saturn, enki, yahweh, shiva, judaism etc even though you try to deny this
this doesnt change the fact that your understanding of gnosticism is incorrect. gnosticism also draws a lot from ancient egypt as well. once again, you misunderstand gnosticism. the gnostics frequently spoke allegorically, your problem is that youre taking what they said about the cosmos being an evil place at face value instead of understanding it as hyperbole to make a point (case in point, there were even libertine gnostic sects). also youre wrong regarding buddhist asceticism which I pointed out in another thread:I find the philosophy of Hermeticism to be more reliable than that of Gnosticism. It takes it's roots from ancient Egypt and the god Thoth. Gnostics see the cosmos as an evil place and promote the Buddhist philosophy of asceticism, which is an impossible ideal to live up to. Hermeticism however promotes the idea that the cosmos is a beautiful place created by a benevolent creator.I seriously study gnosticism and your understanding of it is incorrect. the demiurge and its archons are a metaphor for heimarmene/the seven classical planets which keep the spirit/shards of the pleroma trapped in the world of matter. real gnosticism is closer to buddhism than the new age ego trip pastiche that contemporary gnostics like to practice.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=48649&p=399450#p399450
btw astrology is one the sciences championed by hermes trismegistos; as someone that studies astrology this makes me a hermeticist too. do you really think im that unfamiliar about hermeticism?
which is exactly what ive been saying even though youre trying to obfuscate this factBrahman has no need to create anything, but it does anyway.
of course we experience growth and evolution as finite, mortal beings that are shards of brahman itself. why do you insist on being dishonest and acting like this isnt my stance?Why on earth do you think it wouldn't be able to improve itself and grow through its creations?
whats ridiculous is how you try to split hairs and purposely miss the point. I was claiming that brahman creates everything in order to entertain itself, which is exactly what youre describing. creation is a form of entertainment.Again, this isn't true. Artists, musicians don't simply create music or art "because they're bored" they create because it's their passion! People never become bored of their passions. People become inspired and create things of beauty for the sake of creating. Not to just pass the time because they've got nothing better to do. What a ridiculous notion!
yup, thats exactly what im saying. I never made any attempt to fluff up this truth like youre insinuating. at the broadest, highest level there is no purpose at all, the purpose is to simply experience, to be.Your interpretation of our purpose and the purpose of Brahman and reality is a very long-winded way of saying that there is ultimately no purpose at all.
you can call it being bored, entertaining itself, creating or whatever. youre arguing semantics when really its not necessary. the purpose of brahman is to experience itself.So consider the purpose of all things. Consider that Brahman is an intelligent creator, not some infinite blob that's bored out of its mind. There is purpose to creation and Brahman puts its fingerprint on everything. We see it in nature, on our bodies etc. They are all signs of design and creation by a brilliant and intelligent artist and creator.
What could be the reason an infinite being with incomprehensible and infinite intelligence would create the world of physical matter? Would it be because it was bored? Really? Or is it much more likely that such a being would want to be better, create more and fine tune everything. To evolve and ever improve itself? Purpose is everything. Purpose drives everything.
you criticize me for assuming that brahman can be bored, but I could equally criticize you for claiming that brahman wants to create. whats your basis for your stance over mine? nothing. you cant prove it anymore than I can prove my own stance. more importantly, both things can be true at once, which is something that you dont realize.
I agree with #2, purpose is what we make it.1. The fundamental purpose. The reason we are here! To experience things and to grow from our experiences. To raise our Kundalini and raise our state of vibration and consciousness. Why? So that Brahman can do the same through its creations. Its a self improving being which seeks continuous improvement. That gives purpose to the whole thing and transcends the silly notion that this is all just a pastime because a supreme being is bored...
2. The purpose we give our own lives. This can ve anything we decide. Family, love, creation of art or music. People choose different purpose for themselves to give their existence meaning.
It's my belief that Brahman has decided its purpose will be to improve. Because thats the purpose it has chosen for itself! Because that gives Brahman’s existence meaning and gives it a reason to create the cosmos and the wonderful pieces of art we see in reality throughout nature!
youre trying really hard to deconstruct what im saying, or to phrase it differently but it doesnt change what ive been saying. the reason everything exists is because brahman desires to entertain itself.
ive noticed you tend to be really longwinded. these long walls of text are unnecessary, be more concise with your points. its really tiresome responding to you and trying to wade through everything you say. just writing unnecessarily long responses doesnt make it more profound and if anything it makes it look like your argument is actually weak and youre just trying to use the "heavy book fallacy" in order to look like youre right
TLDR; your attempts to refute the connections between yahweh and enki were provably wrong/misdirection. the following are facts which you cannot deny:
1.yahweh/enki both created mankind
2.yahweh/enki created the world
3.yahweh/enki played some similar roles WRT the flooding story
you tried to claim that yahweh and enki are nothing alike and this is wrong. they share many similarities which you were unable to disprove.
