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Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by gnosis » December 2nd, 2017, 11:44 pm

Asians tend to be less individually confident than westerners.
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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by zerowing1 » December 3rd, 2017, 2:18 am

It's funny, I just read this piece of writing outlining the origins/history of the races on earth: https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-st ... aces-color

It's a bit cringy and probably the most racist thing I ever read, forthrightly referring to certain groups as "inferior", "backwards", "mongrels", "less progressive", "equally inferior", etc. I have no idea about how factual it is, but it's definitely interesting.

I'm Asian and I'm not very creative, risk-taking, or original. Asians seem to be more about power, money and status. They are also big on things like control, ownership, dominance and hierarchy. Most don't have principles and their mindset can be described as "might is right". There's a group mentality and mavericks are not encouraged. The intelligence is more like cunning, deviousness, and cleverness than creativity. I hate being part of such a culture. :( :shock:

On the positive side, a lot of Asians (who grew up in Asia) value loyalty and friendship. Asian-Americans and Westerners seem to be more individualistic.

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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by Contrarian Expatriate » December 3rd, 2017, 8:30 pm

I think, as a group, Asians tend to be least able in the area of emotional intelligence just as they are likely most able in terms of raw cognitive intelligence.

I'm certain that deeply rooted cultural patterns and practices are the chief reasons.

Creativity and novel thinking are unleashed when people can emotionally experience, express, and interpret for others. Asian peoples seemingly tend to suppress these impulses to some extent.

There are countless exceptions to this rule, Jack Ma being the most prominent and Winston Wu being among that subgroup as well. But if Asians manage to collectively bring their EQ up to par with their IQ, they would rule this world.

At present, they tend to do well in high brain power professions, but they only rarely rise to actually LEAD others in business, politics, the military, and academia in Western countries.

I'm convinced the cultural de-emphasis of EQ development is the reason. That might be changing as Asians become more and more westernized over time.

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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by xiongmao » December 4th, 2017, 11:14 am

When I do classes about "what do you think about X" then often all the students will think the same way (e.g. should Harry marry Meghan).

My Chinese students ALWAYS become alert when I talk about money. The IT students really loved learning about salaries for programming related jobs.

But generally in China most of the culture here has been imported. The three most popular plushies here are Kumamon (Japan), LINE (Japan) and Pink Panther (USA).
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Post by momopi » December 21st, 2017, 9:41 am

People who are truly genius in intellect or talent are not the type that you can tell them how to think or where to go. You can only run alongside or after them. True talent makes a fool of time and effort, but only a small percentage of them make enough effort to be in the right place to create a lasting legacy. Beethoven struggled hard to be at the right place (Vienna), with the right people (wealthy/powerful sponsors) and put himself in front of the right audience. Tsien Hsue-Shen (Qian Xuesen) was born in China in early 20th century and fought hard for scholarship to be sent to MIT and CalTech in the US, which enabled him to excel as a rocket scientist and became co-founder of JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) and later father of China's space and nuclear program.

I recall a previous coworker, 1/2 Japanese & 1/2 Chinese guy who was a brilliant webdev. What takes others hours to figure out, he could do it in 15 mins. He reminded me of assembly programming wizards of 1980s like Philip Becker (TBBS). Problem was that he had a wandering mind of his own and you had to struggle to tell him what to do — if you fail to deliver what the customer wanted we don’t get paid. The director promoted him to manager in hope that he could teach others, but it became apparent that while you could teach skills, you couldn’t teach talent. He butted heads with senior management too many times and we ended up laying him off and sending him over to Amazon via referral, hoping that the environment was better for him there.

One stereotype difference between Asians and Whites in the USA is that Asian parents will tell their kids to seek "safe" professions, while Whites are more likely to tell their kids to pursue their dreams. In my high school district we have a special academic secondary school named Whitney (grades 7-12). You had to pass an exam to be admitted and the school is ranked #1 in California for academic performance. Needless to say the school is like >70% Asian nerds, many of which ended up in relatively high paying professions in top 20% income bracket. However the school is not known for producing exceptional alumni -- no Bill Gates/Jack Ma/Beethoven, because they choose "safe" career paths.

In contrast stereotype white parents are more likely to accept their children's dreams to pursue "less safe" career paths. Unfortunately this choice often has low success rate partly because few people have actual talent and determination. Of my friends from HS/College who pursued their dreams and passions in less safe careers -- acting, art, obscure (now obsolete) science field, etc, they failed to achieve their dreams and are now working as a PC field tech, dispatcher for sheriff's department, cashier, and restaurant waitress. In contrast the guy who went to technical college is now working as IT professional, the girl who went to business school is now working for NBC, etc.

Many people think that they are creative, innovative, determined, and will be successful. But reality is very different. Michael Dell overcame his parents strong objections to quit med school and start Dell Computers. It's easy to praise his success in ditching "safe" choice of becoming a doctor, and opting the "less safe" choice of becoming an entrepreneur. But it's not so easy to look at the hundreds and thousands of others who tried the same and failed. Quoting Ashita no Joe, if you choose this path you cannot live your life halfway. Even if your body were to burn and only ash remains, you can only fall forward. If you don’t have the determination, you’re likely to fail or only achieve mediocre successs.
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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by Winston » December 22nd, 2017, 3:15 am

A video rant I made long ago about how Asians can't think outside the box or for themselves and how they lack imagination and creativity.



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Have you noticed that Asians are usually unable to think outside the box, think for themselves, or formulate new ideas and theories? Why is that? Of course, I'm a rare exception. I'm one of the few Asians in this world who is able to formulate new ideas and theories. Hence I'm very rare and unique. And if you know me, you should appreciate that. :) That's why my close friends will tell you that my soul is more European than Asian.

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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by Winston » December 22nd, 2017, 10:57 am

Some great comments to my YouTube video:

https://www.youtube.com/comments?filter=XgXBnDoznBw

Trinitrophenylnitramine 3 hours ago
Chinese & Japanese students I met in college here in CA would eat math & science like a candy bar but philosophy they would get a C. They are very good at "what" & "where" questions, but not so good at "how" & "why" questions. You can observe this by asking them how they got the answer. You will get word salads instead of a clear, explanation it's as if they are being programmed to respond in C++ computer language

Trinitrophenylnitramine 3 hours ago
This is your forte Winston. These types of videos where you delineate

Mr. Odessa 5 hours ago
Advocatus Diaboli wrote an article about why Asians are pushing anti-happiness and it’s because of their obsession with money, grades and fitting in with white societies. Ever read it?

Shaddy Raddy922 7 hours ago
Objectively, most people are tribalistic and conform to the group's standards. Individuals that....differ get ostracized and criticized from the group but at the end of the day, the individual may feel...relieved to not being a people pleaser. I'm interested in how the world operates but I roll alone like a fox.
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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by Winston » December 25th, 2017, 3:24 pm

More great comments on my video.

https://www.youtube.com/comments?filter=XgXBnDoznBw

Shaddy Raddy922 22 hours ago
It seems like places that embrace creativity, freedom of expression, innovation, etc stuff that fosters mental and emotional growth are either France, Belgium, countries in Africa (Congo, Nigeria, Ethiopia, South Africa), etc. I may be off though.

Ts K 1 day ago
Of course Asians are practical and they don't like to talk about abstract ideas and topics like democracy, freedom, etc..
To them, it's a waste of time and useless.

Even Jackie Chan himself said something that it's not good for Chinese people to have too much freedom.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... olled.html

Asian cultures are the most collective society out of all other cultures so it's natural for Asians to have hive like mentality and always put the groups' interest before their own self interest.

America on the other hand is TOO individualistic though too far end of the opposite (always about ME ME ME culture). But ironically Americans also do not like to step out of their comfort zone like Asians do. Very anti social cultures (American and Eastern Asian).

On the other hand, most European cultures are more social and there is always something interesting going on the streets and allow different people to gather together.

There needs to be balance like European and even some South American culture mentality. Where it's not always about work work work money money money but more about art, appreciation of life, variety of life experience and enjoyment and fulfillment of life.

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HappierAbroad 1 day ago
Jackie Chan has to say that, it was political. He was kissing China's ass. It doesn't mean he really thinks that. He needs the support of China for his career. Asians don't care about concepts because all they care about is getting a stable job or business with a stable income. Nothing else really matters, not even happiness or truth.

Trinitrophenylnitramine 1 day ago (edited)
Winston, Bruce Lee was a genius. He knew that the majority of people are sheep & he had to write something that will appeal to them so his movie will sell. He is introverted & exuded extroversion bec he knew that the vast majority of people are conformist extroverts. Here is a quote he said, "..But to express myself honestly, not lying to myself.. THAT MY FRIEND IS VERY HARD TO DO!" This is bec in reality, he was a very private, intense, & thoughtful individual. A man with a soul. I have written a very researched & detailed paper about him for English class in high school & the real Bruce Lee wasn't the Bruce Lee you see in movies. There's not that many of us who have souls. The majority of people walking on earth today are organic portals (people with no souls) just obeying what authority/architects tell them to do.

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HappierAbroad 1 day ago
Yeah Bruce Lee was truly unique and started his own martial art style. But I don't know if he was a good person or not though. In his movies, he always has to kill his enemy at the end. A movie preaching goodness and love usually has the protagonist sparing the life of the antagonist to teach him mercy and forgiveness. Plus in real life, success really got to Bruce Lee's ego and in the last few months of his life, he was no longer the same person and got really paranoid about everything. A spiritual person doesn't lust after fame the way he did. So I'm skeptical about his goodness or spirituality. But he was a threat to the establishment and Chinese mafia it seems. And his unusual sudden death makes no sense. What do you think happened to him?

Btw, Bruce Lee also got into a lot of street fights and brawls. That's not the behavior of a spiritual evolved person. Also i the clip above, he compared the beauty of Rome to slums in Hong Kong. A genius or soulful person would not do that.

Mr. Odessa 1 day ago
https://dissention.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... appiness/

Trinitrophenylnitramine 2 days ago
Conformity = Dependence, Non-conformity = Independence

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HappierAbroad 1 day ago
The US wants you to be financially dependent on the system and on your job and the corporation that you serve, but it wants you to be emotionally independent and not need friends or lovers. I'm the opposite, I prefer to be emotionally dependent on others but financially independent from the system. So up yours America. lol
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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by TheLight954 » January 23rd, 2018, 3:38 am

Also, Asian parents see freethinking as bad and thus keep freethinking children in line with the other Asians who can only memorize and think everything in an one-dimensional score spectrum.

I think that most people are born creative, but it gets crushed by the one-dimensional school system.

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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by Jonny Law » January 23rd, 2018, 2:31 pm

MEANWHILE IN ASIA
CONFORMITY IS KING!

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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by Moretorque » January 23rd, 2018, 11:37 pm

Didn't the Mao revolution have a lot to do with this ? Our rulers who set this up out of the CITI want drones do they not ?

I mean China was conquered by the elite in the 1800's, was this just not part of their plan ?
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Re: Why are whites creative/innovative but Asians can only repeat/memorize/copy?

Post by Rebel » February 11th, 2018, 12:03 pm

China itself was the most advanced civilisation for thousands of years. Europe for the majority of its history was a backwater. Cut the silk road and Europe would have remained a backwater. For the last few hundred years there was too much going westward and not enough going eastward, especially since it was Asians invading the west prior to the industrial revolution. And speaking of that, you think whites as a whole triggered it? It was key individuals and then everyone in Europe just copied their ideas.

So I wonder why you think Asians are copycats and Whites aren't. Japan right now is the Asian leader in innovations in the modern age. China was and could be again, but free thought is impaired by both 1) No need to reinvent the wheel and 2) Communism.

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