The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way (MGTOW)

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MGTOW come in a few different flavors.
  • A scant few of them are actual MRAs. This is probably only a mere handful.
  • Then you have some who were actually burned very badly by women. I don't blame them either, but they are very few.
  • Most of these guys either advocate for celibacy or the use of prostitutes.
  • Others advocate porn and masturbation over finding flesh and blood women.
  • A tiny few are so afraid of women that they actually got vasectomies.
  • Most of them just propagandize each other deeper into their misogynistic cult, preferring to focus on articles of female atrocities to reinforce their hatred.
  • Paradoxically, and ironically, deep down they are almost all complete manginas. Watch as a woman joins a Manginas Going The Other Way forum. Her thread announcing her membership will go to the number one most viewed and commented thread for weeks on end. These "misogynists" (read manginas who are angry they aren't getting laid) will kiss any woman's butt endlessly. They will even defend women who are in error against brothers of MGTOW. This exposes their hypocrisy (claiming anti-feminist but proving they're feminists at heart).
  • Otherwise they enforce their cultish beliefs with ridicule. Anyone who speaks highly of women is a mangina, a sell out, or a traitor. There is even a saying by a famous MGTOW that goes like, "Most men are just one blowjob away from being a sellout." They seriously seek to enforce their cult. Every man should suffer and live like them: alone and only with animals for companionship, such as dogs and cats, rather than wives and children.
  • Then there are the men who complain daily, until they find a girlfriend or a wife. All of a sudden the brotherhood of MGTOW becomes unimportant. All those anti-male laws irrelevant, because we all know, these manginas were just upset over lack of female attention, not any legal system treatment toward men.
  • Then there are the wackadoo Manginas Going The Other Way who will advise young men to wait until their retirement years, then go overseas to find a wife. Yeah that's right. Let your youth burn away, and then you'll get a nice woman at age 55. What kind of woman do you think a man is going to get at age 55?
  • There are other Manginas who even admit than in Thailand and Japan that most Expats will get the undersirable women, such as single moms, but they write as if that is okay. If that isn't okay in the states, why is it okay in a foreign country?
  • None of them will evaluate a woman on the individual level, especially if she is American.
  • There is also a faction of these Manginas who don't believe women anywhere can be good under any circumstance. They say women worldwide are all the same, indicating that they have given up. So we all should too.
They also have an award, named after an MGTOW who died of natural causes in his 50s. If you had been around when this man was around, you'd remember, that almost all of his posts revolved around violence toward other men. He never advocated violence against women, to his credit. However, he did discuss how he beat up several men, and how he would deal violently with any man who got in his way. The Manginas give this award to the most popular secret feminist every year.

Manginas Going The Other Way is a hopeless movement for deluded men who think their celibacy matters to society. No, you fools, you're merely doing what feminists have wanted - separating men and women, having less children, and creating hatred between the sexes. At best you're a bunch of useful idiots, at worst you are active agents working for Satan. Either way, I feel sorrow for none of you fools. You're getting exactly what you deserve for believing in and propagating lies.
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I'm writing on a smartphone, so I can't write a long rebuttal, but I'll cut to what is important. My goal is making me happy, not fixing American society, not fixing the world. It's HappierAbroad, not AbroadSoAsToPassOnGenesBecauseTheBookSuposedlyWrittenByTheManInTheSkySaysThatIsWhatImSupposedToDo. I have an inner voice, and it says nothing about this God you keep taking about. Rather, that voice says look out for numero uno. MGTOW is the best of a bad set of choices laid before me. Give me a better choice and I'll take that better choice. In particular, give me a well-behaved attractive woman who wants to have sex with me, and I'll give up masturbation. Since when did rational disciplined behavior equal Mangina? Since Adama started changing the meaning of words so as to taunt people with labels, because he can't win an argument using logic, that's when.

In any war, there's always some rah-rah new recruits who taunt the older soldiers as being cowards, when in fact the older soldiers are just wise. So the grizzled sergeant orders these smart ass young 'uns to charge the enemy over open ground facing machine gun fire. Most of them die. A few survive and become wise old soldiers themselves. A very few, by some miracle, survive one suicide charge after another, and these guys are royal PITAS to have around because they never shut up taunting the wise older soldiers. "A prosperous fool is a grievous burden." (That might be a Proverbs quote, BTW and I know Adama loves his Bible quotes.)

Here's another analogy: having children so as to affect the future gene pool is like pissing in the ocean to make it turn yellow. The only sane reason to have children (in modern society at least where you don't need sons as your private army and girls to make bonds with other clans) is because you like raising children.
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retiredfrank wrote:I'm writing on a smartphone, so I can't write a long rebuttal, but I'll cut to what is important. My goal is making me happy, not fixing American society, not fixing the world. It's HappierAbroad, not AbroadSoAsToPassOnGenesBecauseTheBookSuposedlyWrittenByTheManInTheSkySaysThatIsWhatImSupposedToDo. I have an inner voice, and it says nothing about this God you keep taking about. Rather, that voice says look out for numero uno. MGTOW is the best of a bad set of choices laid before me. Give me a better choice and I'll take that better choice. In particular, give me a well-behaved attractive woman who wants to have sex with me, and I'll give up masturbation. Since when did rational disciplined behavior equal Mangina? Since Adama started changing the meaning of words so as to taunt people with labels, because he can't win an argument using logic, that's when.

In any war, there's always some rah-rah new recruits who taunt the older soldiers as being cowards, when in fact the older soldiers are just wise. So the grizzled sergeant orders these smart a** young 'uns to charge the enemy over open ground facing machine gun fire. Most of them die. A few survive and become wise old soldiers themselves. A very few, by some miracle, survive one suicide charge after another, and these guys are royal PITAS to have around because they never shut up taunting the wise older soldiers. "A prosperous fool is a grievous burden." (That might be a Proverbs quote, BTW and I know Adama loves his Bible quotes.)

Here's another analogy: having children so as to affect the future gene pool is like pissing in the ocean to make it turn yellow. The only sane reason to have children (in modern society at least where you don't need sons as your private army and girls to make bonds with other clans) is because you like raising children.
Is there a point to all that? I mean, is there something you are trying to say? There's nothing that can be gathered from this post. Nothing useful.
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Their celibacy matters to society enough to attract numerous news articles on blurbs on TV.

One need only look to Japan to see how much a movement like this matters to society. Japan is on its way to being a bunch of old people and the young workforce will be foreign muslims from Pakistan.
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Almost every philosopher and holy man in history was MGTOW, including that Jesus guy (thigh he was crazy, calling himself God and whatnot). All of them miserable, eh? Happiness comes from within. You can't tell whether a man is happy or not by listening to him. What matters is his control of his mind and that is not visible. You can tell by the body. People who live past 100 tend to have never married and lived alone most of their life. It takes a strong man to live MGTOW properly, and am even stronger woman to live alone. Successful nuns are very strong people.
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The_Adventurer wrote: One need only look to Japan to see how much a movement like this matters to society. Japan is on its way to being a bunch of old people and the young workforce will be foreign muslims from Pakistan.
Japan is 25 times smaller than the USA, even smaller than California, but has now 127 million people.

In Japan a huge part of land is not suitable for housing too. Cities are really crowded, and there are many people who wish a decline of the population.

The situation is even worse in South Korea.

About foreigners in Japan, the number is always growing since years, but slowly - there are now about 2.2 million foreigners, who are from South/North Korea, China, Taiwan, Brazil/Peru, Philippines and Vietnam.

About Muslims from Pakistan - so far Muslim population in Japan is far less than 1 %, and almost all are from Malaysia/Indonesia.
There will be foreign workers in Japan in future, but not so many and only very few from Muslim countries.
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MarcosZeitola wrote:I have rarely met an MGTOW who was not bitter, miserable, lonely or somehow unhappy. I pity these people.
I wonder where you met these MGTOWs... in Western Europe probably...or in UK/USA?

I do not consider myself to be bitter, miserable, lonely and unhappy. I am not financially broken either.

I also meet frequently MGTOWs either online as I am an administrator and sponsor of a MGTOW Forum since more than one decade, and also meet some of them in real life in Japan, Thailand, Philippines ...

The most difficult point for MGTOW is to overcome any feeling of 'hate' because of their past.

I found MGTOWs to be out of 2 groups.

1 -

One group of them never had any relationship with a local woman and have terrible experiences with women next to them while they were still very young children.
To move far away and to meet new people and cut any relationship with people of their former life helps them a lot. I also belong to this group.
These MGTOWS WERE bitter, miserable, lonely, unhappy in their PAST, but now for sure not anymore.

2 -

The other group are men who had best intention in their own country, but were badly cheated by their girlfriends, wives, also daughters and lost more or less everything after a divorce and still have to pay child support, alimony, unknown unpaid debits from their ex-wife etc. etc.

Men of group 2 have a much more difficult recovery than men of group 1.
However when I am talking to them they are very optimistic too. Their general feeling is 'it's over finally'.

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I find it somewhat disgusting that people who are in a better situation are blaming these men for being MGTOW.
We men who are in group 1+2 could not do much about our situation.
I could not choose my mother when I was born, nor could I choose my half sisters.

How can you blame me for moving away and start a new life?
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MarcosZeitola wrote:Last time I checked the Bible, Jesus wasn't some creasy c**t crying about his lack of female companionship and living in his parents' basement... :lol:

If I am going to overlook the absurdity of your argument for a bit, and look at how MGTOWs have to be strong to make it, it makes their live look like, well, like a punishment they somehow have to endure. Never marry, live alone, don't party, don't eat more then 70% of your need, blablabla... summary: be a miserable loner, deny yourself the simple joys of life and you MIGHT just make it at to a hundred as a reward.
I'm not living on my mother's basement. I retired at 39 and ever since have lived a a very happy life traveling. If you want to say I'm "crying" because I openly discuss the problem I'm having getting quality women to have sex, fine. Like Adama, you can't win the argument with logic, so you have to resort to using taunting labels.

There's plenty of joy in my life. Marrying some peasant in the Philippines and living on a farm surrounded by chickens and ignorant filipinos would be a step DOWN from my current lifestyle in terms of joy and pleasure. But hey, if such a life makes you happy, be my guest.

People live to 100 because they are happy, because stress is the biggest killer of them all. You want to know how to be really happy in life? Look at people who lived to be 100. And then you discover a lot of them were single all their life (though not all). In general, abstaining from certain short-term pleasures leads to long-term happiness. We all know this true with respect to junk food, drugs, alcohol. Maybe it's also true with respect to marriage and children, at least under conditions that currently prevail in developed countries.
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MarcosZeitola wrote: Jesus was tortured and nailed to the cross, dying at 30. We may say MGTOW didn't quite work out for him, if you claim he was MGTOW. However, to compare Jesus and other holy men to MGTOWs is quite a shitty comparison and a very disrespectful one at that.
We do not even know if Jesus ever existed, there are no reliable sources for that. Likely a product out of fantasy from religious bigots.
Some others are claiming Jesus was a female and not a man.

Jesus was not a MGTOW, far away from that, more likely an outsider and gay.
He never did anything for straight men in his entire life. MGTOW is a movement for straight men.

Jesus was more acting like a male feminist, who was excusing any female for any wrongdoing.

Some are claiming Jesus was the first paedophile, as his sentence about 'let the children come to me' is still a major guideline of the Roman Catholic Church - giving green light to priests to mistreat children.

I was also badly mistreated in Europe by priests of the Catholic Church when I was still a child (however never sexually misused). I left this evil movement more than 40 years ago. Jesus is a 'holy man' for this what s/he created? Not for me!
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Yohan wrote:
The_Adventurer wrote: One need only look to Japan to see how much a movement like this matters to society. Japan is on its way to being a bunch of old people and the young workforce will be foreign muslims from Pakistan.
Japan is 25 times smaller than the USA, even smaller than California, but has now 127 million people.

In Japan a huge part of land is not suitable for housing too. Cities are really crowded, and there are many people who wish a decline of the population.

The situation is even worse in South Korea.

About foreigners in Japan, the number is always growing since years, but slowly - there are now about 2.2 million foreigners, who are from South/North Korea, China, Taiwan, Brazil/Peru, Philippines and Vietnam.

About Muslims from Pakistan - so far Muslim population in Japan is far less than 1 %, and almost all are from Malaysia/Indonesia.
There will be foreign workers in Japan in future, but not so many and only very few from Muslim countries.
My understanding was that Japanese are living so long that the government is going to have an enormous raging population to take care of, while young people are no getting married or having children, because they can't afford it, or just plain don't want to.

Sporting foreign workers has become a necessity, and even now, most construction and other manual labor is done by foreigners. In the future, this will only get worse.

Last time I was there, it seemed that all difficult or menial work was being done by middle easterners. Of course, they could have been Indonesian or Malaysian, as I didn't know much about those places at the time, but when I asked someone, I was told most were from Pakistan. Of course, the person I asked could be just as clueless.
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Adama wrote:
1 -

[*]Then there are the wackadoo Manginas Going The Other Way who will advise young men to wait until their retirement years, then go overseas to find a wife. Yeah that's right. Let your youth burn away, and then you'll get a nice woman at age 55. What kind of woman do you think a man is going to get at age 55?

2 -

[*]There are other Manginas who even admit than in Thailand and Japan that most Expats will get the undersirable women, such as single moms, but they write as if that is okay. If that isn't okay in the states, why is it okay in a foreign country?

3 -

They also have an award, named after an MGTOW who died of natural causes in his 50s...
about 1 -

What kind of man do you think a woman is going to get at age 55?
If you read a little bit daily news, you will notice that mainly old women are lonely and bitter, but not old men.

about 2 -

It's not OK in Western countries, but it is OK in a foreign country where laws are different. Why should laws be the same all over the world?

about 3 -

You are probably talking about Randall Shake Award (nickname khankrumthebulgar). This well-known MRA/MGTOW was married twice, had 5 children and several grandchildren from Dallas, USA. After his death, his son and his nephew are still active as MRA/MGTOW.
He strongly urged US-young men to travel to abroad and to communicate with people outside of USA.
For this activity he received plenty of highly abusive hate-mail from feminists because of the strange law in USA which restricts communication between women living overseas and US-male citizens by Marriage Brokers/Introduction Agencies.

Maybe you hate him so much as he was also promoting Buddhism instead of Christianity.
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The_Adventurer wrote: My understanding was that Japanese are living so long that the government is going to have an enormous raging population to take care of, while young people are no getting married or having children, because they can't afford it, or just plain don't want to.
Sporting foreign workers has become a necessity, and even now, most construction and other manual labor is done by foreigners. In the future, this will only get worse.
I cannot offer any number regarding illegal workers, but legally registered are the following foreigners / last count in 2012:

China 665,847
South Korea 457,772
Philippines 229,595
Brazil 173,437
Vietnam 146,956
Nepal 54,775
United States of America 52,271
Taiwan 48,723
Peru 47,721
Thailand 45,379
Indonesia 35,910
Korea 33,939
India 26,244
England 15,826
Myanmar 13,737
Sri Lanka 13,152

Pakistan 12,708

Bangladesh 10,835
France 10,672
Australia 9,843
Canada 9,538
Malaysia 8,738
Russia 8,092
Mongolia 6,590
Germany 6,336
Cambodia 6,111
Bolivia 5,412
Turkey 4,157
Iran 3,996
Italy 3,536
New Zealand 3,152
Afghanistan 2,639
Nigeria 2,638
Argentina 2,630
Laos 2,592
Singapore 2,501
Spain 2,495
Romania 2,408
Columbia 2,268
Mexico 2,141
Ghana 2,005
Paraguay 1,880
Sweden 1,805
Egypt 1,747
Ukraine 1,699
Poland 1,653
Uzbekistan 1,503
Netherlands 1,129
Ireland 1,026
Switzerland 1,023
Saudi Arabia 1,007

Total Foreign residents in Japan: 2,232,189
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Yohan wrote:
Adama wrote:
1 -

[*]Then there are the wackadoo Manginas Going The Other Way who will advise young men to wait until their retirement years, then go overseas to find a wife. Yeah that's right. Let your youth burn away, and then you'll get a nice woman at age 55. What kind of woman do you think a man is going to get at age 55?

2 -

[*]There are other Manginas who even admit than in Thailand and Japan that most Expats will get the undersirable women, such as single moms, but they write as if that is okay. If that isn't okay in the states, why is it okay in a foreign country?

3 -

They also have an award, named after an MGTOW who died of natural causes in his 50s...
about 1 -

What kind of man do you think a woman is going to get at age 55?
If you read a little bit daily news, you will notice that mainly old women are lonely and bitter, but not old men.

about 2 -

It's not OK in Western countries, but it is OK in a foreign country where laws are different. Why should laws be the same all over the world?

about 3 -

You are probably talking about Randall Shake Award (nickname khankrumthebulgar). This well-known MRA/MGTOW was married twice, had 5 children and several grandchildren from Dallas, USA. After his death, his son and his nephew are still active as MRA/MGTOW.
He strongly urged US-young men to travel to abroad and to communicate with people outside of USA.
For this activity he received plenty of highly abusive hate-mail from feminists because of the strange law in USA which restricts communication between women living overseas and US-male citizens by Marriage Brokers/Introduction Agencies.

Maybe you hate him so much as he was also promoting Buddhism instead of Christianity.
Because receiving hate mail makes you a hero for the cause. Right.

Yup, complete mangina. Go overseas as an old man to marry undesirable women.


These men must think differently. I want a young woman, not an old one. One who can have my children. Not me adopting some other man's children, which is absurd. Why would I buy another man's children? I didn't make them.

These men don't even know they are manginas. They don't even value good things in life. Look at them recommend only prostitutes, or to marry only older women after your youthful fire has been extinguished.

This is a movement for SUCKERS. You'd have to be an idiot to follow these people, or a sleepwalker. They want you to waste your life on hookers and the hope of marriage to single moms after age 55. Why even bother then? Just buy the log cabin in the woods and live off the land. I'd rather do that than have to move to Thailand just to marry an old woman who's a single mother. Yet that's what Manginas recommend.

Who does this benefit, by the way? This benefits women. Single mothers get to benefit from the back up plan which Yohan would have us all become. Their safety net. Who does it put extra burden on? The man who has to purchase another man's children. How is this not feminism?

Or they recommend prostitutes and that women should only have babies by artificial insemination. That was actually written in another thread earlier.

Surely these are not wise men.
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Adama wrote:Or they recommend prostitutes and that women should only have babies by artificial insemination. That was actually written in another thread earlier.

Surely these are not wise men.
That was me, but you are distorting. Get rid of child support laws and the women can then get pregnant the normal way, but outside marriage. Then they are forced to give sex to men in exchange for money. I'm no fan of regular prostitution. I want a mistress. My own private whore. Or maybe a woman shared with a couple of other guys rather than the whole town. I don't give a rat's ass about having children of my own. A system like this benefits men like me who are primarily concerned about sex with attractive high quality women. Those men who are primarily concerned about passing on their own genes is a different story. I think those men are fighting a hopeless battle. The system I'm proposing is actually the direction society wants to go, if the men would just unite. Though maybe I, and society, are indeed not wise in wanting to go down this road.
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I would love to know where you are getting your information Adama. Not one expat I know has married a single mom or undesirable woman. I know many who have married or hooked up with virgins 15 - 20 years younger though. Even in the "evil" South Korea, contrary to what everyone says, what I saw with my eyes was that foreigners were getting some very nice, and beautiful women. Even the African barber who cut my hair (didn't want to cut my hair) had a gorgeous young wife. H was not old, but according to what people around here say, he should have been with an obese, older single mom. That's just not what I see on the ground.

A good friend of mine in Japan, a black guy, got with a young doctor who was also a black belt. I don't know. Maybe the fact that she could kick a dude's ass made her undesirable?
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