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Would Winston be happier abroad in Europe?

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Re: Forum secrets for VIPs only

Post by yick » February 8th, 2020, 9:44 pm

Winston wrote:
February 8th, 2020, 9:21 pm

Maybe in general yes. But it depends on the guy. Every guy attracts different types of women. Some guys that are charming and have charisma will still date younger women even after they are 40. I saw it in Poland with a tall British guy.

But you gotta understand that in Europe, girls will still hang out with you even if they aren't interested in you romantically. Europe is not like America. The women there do not see guys as all or nothing. In America if a girl doesn't see you as "her type" she won't even be your friend or hang out. But not so in Europe. European and Russian women see nothing wrong with hanging out with a guy even if she's not dating him. They aren't uptight about that. Europeans tend to be very social. If you just want a female coffee companion to go to cafes with or do language/culture exchange with, or see museums with, etc. then that is easy to get in Europe as long as you are a decent, friendly, outgoing, positive, likable guy, or even if you are a backpacker guy.

That's what I'm referring to, about Euro women being SOCIAL. You can even meet up with girls from Couchsurfing and they will show you around and be glad to be your host too. European hospitality is different from America and not as agenda based.

So I'm not talking about romance or sex here. I'm just talking about being social and going out together. That is not hard to do in Europe since women there are pretty open about meeting new people and being social with interesting strangers. It's a very different social atmosphere, much more open, relaxed and inclusive. We all know that. Why are you guys always so focused on sexual relations?
Not everywhere in Europe is the same - first of all - you have language barriers which DO count - go to Spain or France - if you can't speak the languages there then you're shit-out-of-luck most of the time - and a lot of Southern European countries - Spain and Italy - you need to be part of established social circles - a lot of Spanish people have known their friends since primary school! PD talked to Eurobrat about this when he went to Italy and PD was proven correct to a horrendous cost to Eurobrat.

Being British - I can talk about the UK, you would need to get to know these women through work, university, the gym - and it isn't so dissimilar to the United States as you might think - British women can be standoffish and rude, the ugly ones think they're Marilyn Monroe, they'll give you f***ing shade as quick as a parasol :lol: One thing you do have the UK is you can speak English and you're American - if you went to a town or city in the north then you might get people interested in talking to you and getting to know you. How many Americans are in a place like Hull or Warrington?

Like I said, there is a reason why there are lots of British men in Thailand - and it seems to be the same for Scandinavians and the Dutch - we're all sick of the fuckers :lol: Come and show us how it's done, I will always be interested in hearing your experiences but it won't be easy - but the UK is where you will have it the easiest, Spain, Italy, Portugal - do you know any of their languages?

Personally, the best place for you to succeed would be China - or Peru or Colombia - I don't know why you don't go to Latin America and give it a proper go over there.

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Re: Forum secrets for VIPs only

Post by Winston » February 9th, 2020, 2:13 pm

You guys are forgetting one thing.

When I was in Russia I met about 400 to 500 girls via cold approach, most for just brief moments of course. Out of all that, only about 4 or 5 of them had a serious interest in me. That's about a 99 percent rejection rate. And yes this was when I looked younger and was only 30. That may sound bad, but it's not as bad as you think. It's not like the US where 100 percent of white girls I meet say they have a boyfriend or blow me off, especially in California, where white girls are very racist toward Asian guys. At least in Russia you always have some form of female companionship, even if it's just a casual social outing or platonic hang out or culture/language exchange, etc. That's part of life. But at least this is not a 100 percent rejection rate, only 99. So PD was wrong to predict a 100 percent rejection rate with certainty. He was at best only semi-right.

In Europe, I'd probably experience something similar but on a smaller scale. Of course the girls there are not going to be as open to cold approach as in Russia, but much more than in the US at least, so it's somewhere in the middle. I wouldn't be able to meet 400 girls that easily as in Russia, but it wouldn't be zero either. It'd be smaller but regular at least, kind of like in China, where I met maybe 3 or 4 people per week (both men and women), not everyday, but not zero either like in Taiwan or the USA.

So what I'm saying is, I'm not expecting a whole lot. But it should be easy to at least make platonic or casual friends in Europe, both male and female, like what I experienced in Poland, as you can see in my videos. It's not like the USA or Taiwan where I don't even like to go out because the vibe is so weird and awkward and feels super cliquish like high school, that's the worst. To me it's all about the vibe. Europe for me as a great vibe. I'm in my element there and fit in with the culture, down to the core of my soul. When I was in Warsaw, Poland, none of the girls there would give me their number and they were very reserved, but they were polite, so I didn't get a negative or awkward vibe at least. That's what matters most to me, the vibe. As long as it's positive and not negative or awkward or off, then I'm generally ok, even if I'm alone and not dating anyone.

That happened in Warsaw, Poland. And more recently, in Cambodia after Dianne left, I hung out for almost two weeks alone before Rock and Worldtraveler came to join me. During that time I was fine too, because the vibe in Cambodia is nice and relaxed and feels positive, like the vibe you got in America during the 1970's.

So I hope you guys understand my position. And see that I'm not all about sex and getting laid all the time like some of you are. There are other important aspects of life too. I'm not as shallow as some of you are, and do not see all interactions with females as a waste of time unless there's sex involved. I can connect with women emotionally and feel satisfied with that even without sex. So I'm a deeper guy, not a shallow guy like many guys are. So don't project yourselves onto me. I am not a typical western guy. And not all western guys are like you guys anyway.

Hope you understand my point.
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Re: Forum secrets for VIPs only

Post by Winston » February 9th, 2020, 2:33 pm

yick wrote:
February 8th, 2020, 9:44 pm
Winston wrote:
February 8th, 2020, 9:21 pm

Maybe in general yes. But it depends on the guy. Every guy attracts different types of women. Some guys that are charming and have charisma will still date younger women even after they are 40. I saw it in Poland with a tall British guy.

But you gotta understand that in Europe, girls will still hang out with you even if they aren't interested in you romantically. Europe is not like America. The women there do not see guys as all or nothing. In America if a girl doesn't see you as "her type" she won't even be your friend or hang out. But not so in Europe. European and Russian women see nothing wrong with hanging out with a guy even if she's not dating him. They aren't uptight about that. Europeans tend to be very social. If you just want a female coffee companion to go to cafes with or do language/culture exchange with, or see museums with, etc. then that is easy to get in Europe as long as you are a decent, friendly, outgoing, positive, likable guy, or even if you are a backpacker guy.

That's what I'm referring to, about Euro women being SOCIAL. You can even meet up with girls from Couchsurfing and they will show you around and be glad to be your host too. European hospitality is different from America and not as agenda based.

So I'm not talking about romance or sex here. I'm just talking about being social and going out together. That is not hard to do in Europe since women there are pretty open about meeting new people and being social with interesting strangers. It's a very different social atmosphere, much more open, relaxed and inclusive. We all know that. Why are you guys always so focused on sexual relations?
Not everywhere in Europe is the same - first of all - you have language barriers which DO count - go to Spain or France - if you can't speak the languages there then you're shit-out-of-luck most of the time - and a lot of Southern European countries - Spain and Italy - you need to be part of established social circles - a lot of Spanish people have known their friends since primary school! PD talked to Eurobrat about this when he went to Italy and PD was proven correct to a horrendous cost to Eurobrat.

Being British - I can talk about the UK, you would need to get to know these women through work, university, the gym - and it isn't so dissimilar to the United States as you might think - British women can be standoffish and rude, the ugly ones think they're Marilyn Monroe, they'll give you f***ing shade as quick as a parasol :lol: One thing you do have the UK is you can speak English and you're American - if you went to a town or city in the north then you might get people interested in talking to you and getting to know you. How many Americans are in a place like Hull or Warrington?

Like I said, there is a reason why there are lots of British men in Thailand - and it seems to be the same for Scandinavians and the Dutch - we're all sick of the fuckers :lol: Come and show us how it's done, I will always be interested in hearing your experiences but it won't be easy - but the UK is where you will have it the easiest, Spain, Italy, Portugal - do you know any of their languages?

Personally, the best place for you to succeed would be China - or Peru or Colombia - I don't know why you don't go to Latin America and give it a proper go over there.
Hi yick,
Yes I agree that not everywhere is the same in Europe. That's why results may vary. It also depends on the guy too. Different guys attract different people and different experiences. You guys forget that and keep assuming all guys are the same.

Even if I went to Italy and experienced what Eurobrat experienced, that everyone is cliquish, that doesn't mean I will meet zero people or have zero friends. There's always some older guy who is deep and philosophical and eccentric and loves talking about deeper subjects. Every city as those types. Plus it's easy to meet people in hostels, meet.com, and couchsurfing.com or hospitalityclub.org. If you've used those, then you know what I mean. And Europe is legendary for its great hostel life. Sure most of the people you meet in hostels are just gonna be your friends for a few days or a week, but some people do form lifelong friendships from hostels too, so that's always a possibility. Plus I've met hostels friends and then later met them somewhere else again when we crossed paths again.

Also, Eurobrat went to Romania and said that the girls there were much more approachable and friendly and spoke good English. So yes, not every European country is the same. Also, many younger people speak English now, so the language barrier isn't as bad as you think. That's left brained thinking. I never had a problem with language in Russia. My electronic dictionary filled in all the gaps.

Plus, being Asian and having a friendly approachable face, I do stand out in a way and have a novelty factor, especially to those Europeans who are intrigued by the mystique of Asia and "the far east". It's not like in California where 100 percent of the white girls won't even hang out with me because they think whites and asians are not supposed to ever mix, which I experienced during the entire 1990s decade.

I've met a lot of British women, especially travelers types, and they seem way more open minded and friendly than American women. So I don't know why you guys always lump British and American women together. They don't seem as hateful or toxic and seem a lot more good natured and civilized. And I've watched British TV since the 1970s and noticed that the people in them look a lot more down to earth and normal, not off.

Also if you ask people in the UK, no one would agree that British and Americans are the same. They can cite many differences between British and Americans.

Yes it's true that in China I should do well and be able to find a wife. In Asia women are not as picky about looks or hung up on physical attraction, as much as white women are. Asian women care more about the practical aspects of life, and aren't fixated on having a handsome husband or having physical chemistry. They will date ugly men or older men too, as long as there is good kino and rapport. Especially SE Asian women. That's the advantage I have with Asian women, even though they cannot hold the intelligent conversations that white women do, or have their own opinions like white women do.

Yes Chinese women are more likely to consider me for a serious relationship than white women. But as Rock and others have pointed out, I'm not compatible with Chinese culture nor with what a Chinese guy is supposed to be like. I am content, not ambitious. I do not seek to make more and more and more money like Chinese culture expects us to. I am not a workaholic. I am a minimalist. I focus on truth seeking, spirituality, meaning, philosophy, higher consciousness, etc. None of that is compatible with Chinese culture, which is 100 percent practical and all about career success and making more and more money. So it's hard for Chinese women to get serious about me once they know the real me. I am not 100 percent practical and materialistic and conformist, which is what Chinese culture is all about, which I"m sure you know by now Yick.

Obviously the solution would be for me to find Chinese women who are more open minded and westernized, or more freespirited and non-materialistic. Those exist too, however, like I said many times, the problem is that those type of Asian women tend to only want WHITE MEN, not Asian men.

Thus I'm in a no win dilemma that only God or fate can fix or remedy. There is no logical solution to this. My looks and race contradict my personality and soul. Hence my inner and outer are at conflict. That's what makes me an ENIGMA. So I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Basically, I connect better and have more in common with white women, but white women are not physically attracted to me, and only asian women will take me seriously for a relationship, but they are so different from me. So what can one do?

What solution do you suggest then? I've explained all this before, but no one is taking all these factors above into account. Maybe because they are mentally lazy and don't like to think too much. I don't know. But no one has come up with a logical solution for this dilemma and contradiction so far.

Do you understand the problem now?
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Re: Forum secrets for VIPs only

Post by yick » February 9th, 2020, 4:53 pm

Winston wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:33 pm

Hi yick,
Yes I agree that not everywhere is the same in Europe. That's why results may vary. It also depends on the guy too. Different guys attract different people and different experiences. You guys forget that and keep assuming all guys are the same.
I know a lot of this is your ego talking which is why you blew up at PD the way you did - you can't have it that it will end in failure because you're so charming and handsome that you cannot fail - I completely disagree with PD on him saying you CAN'T get ANY women because that isn't possible if you are there long enough and are working, studying or doing something where you are meeting women. So the first thing you need to do is make a plan where you can stay there three or four years - and learn the language if you're not going to bother with the UK (and I don't know why you wouldn't - you speak the language after all) - the UK - well, women who would be interested in your company will already have established social circles that are very hard to break into - which is why Tinder and such online crap is how to meet women these days because it is hard to do it in real life - and even then, it is a sausage market with most blokes on there zeroing on the few women who are average/above average who aren't single mums.

I am not saying you CAN'T - but don't think you are going to turn up there for three months at a time and woo people into becoming your friend - it will need something a bit more substansial than that - I am having the same conversation with you as PD did with Eurobrat - and like PD did with Eurobrat - I will give you tips and advice on how to meet and actually bed British women - so stay tuned - if you're smart - you'll follow my advice later on.
Even if I went to Italy and experienced what Eurobrat experienced, that everyone is cliquish, that doesn't mean I will meet zero people or have zero friends. There's always some older guy who is deep and philosophical and eccentric and loves talking about deeper subjects. Every city as those types. Plus it's easy to meet people in hostels, meet.com, and couchsurfing.com or hospitalityclub.org. If you've used those, then you know what I mean. And Europe is legendary for its great hostel life. Sure most of the people you meet in hostels are just gonna be your friends for a few days or a week, but some people do form lifelong friendships from hostels too, so that's always a possibility. Plus I've met hostels friends and then later met them somewhere else again when we crossed paths again.
It isn't a zero sum game and I never said it was. But I don't think hanging around hostels with people in their early twenties is going to lead to anything because you're twice their age - hostels and hanging around backpackers I have found is where a very superficial level of friendliness and bohomie exist but nothing deep usually comes out of it. Or are you still in touch with these people you have met at these hostels all these years later? Course not, because they're people you meet in passing - they have lives to go back to - which of course, you're not part of.
Also, Eurobrat went to Romania and said that the girls there were much more approachable and friendly and spoke good English. So yes, not every European country is the same. Also, many younger people speak English now, so the language barrier isn't as bad as you think. That's left brained thinking. I never had a problem with language in Russia. My electronic dictionary filled in all the gaps.
I was the one who said not every European country is the same - of course, lots of the youth speak some English - some speak better English than me - again, when you were in Russia - you were in your twenties, you're not now. You need to realign your stratergy for something that is going to work and in the short term - patience young man - I will come to it soon.
Plus, being Asian and having a friendly approachable face, I do stand out in a way and have a novelty factor, especially to those Europeans who are intrigued by the mystique of Asia and "the far east". It's not like in California where 100 percent of the white girls won't even hang out with me because they think whites and asians are not supposed to ever mix, which I experienced during the entire 1990s decade.
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I'll tell you something right now - there are PROPER fascists in power ALL over Europe - the most right-wing American politician wouldn't be seen as particulary right-wing, racist or fascist - there is a lot of soft anti-Chinese sentiment in most of Europe. There is lots of racism and xenopohobia all over Europe - don't think that it is some racist free paradise - it isn't.

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I've met a lot of British women, especially travelers types, and they seem way more open minded and friendly than American women. So I don't know why you guys always lump British and American women together. They don't seem as hateful or toxic and seem a lot more good natured and civilized. And I've watched British TV since the 1970s and noticed that the people in them look a lot more down to earth and normal, not off.
I KNOW lots of British women and have two sisters of that demographic - are they 'more friendly and open minded' than American women - not really, and they're a lot more facisitic in what they want in a man - they want Olly Murs or someone who looks like him and will wait for the c**t until he turns up. However, this only applies if you go to the UK and meet them on their home turf - the same rule applies as it does with American women for the most part.

However, there is a way of meeting and having sex with British women... yep, stay tuned - because I am going to give you the secret that you have been craving - you have hit the right track with what you said right there - where did you meet these 'traveler types'?
Also if you ask people in the UK, no one would agree that British and Americans are the same. They can cite many differences between British and Americans.
Yes, but the women are hard work - why do you think there are so many Brits in Thailand shagging Issan whores, is it because our women are any bloody good, do you actually read the posts contributed here by your British posters? If you go and have a read of them do you think it is that different to America? Why is it just American women that are 'toxic'?

Thus I'm in a no win dilemma that only God or fate can fix or remedy. There is no logical solution to this. My looks and race contradict my personality and soul. Hence my inner and outer are at conflict. That's what makes me an ENIGMA. So I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Basically, I connect better and have more in common with white women, but white women are not physically attracted to me, and only asian women will take me seriously for a relationship, but they are so different from me. So what can one do?

What solution do you suggest then?
GLAD YOU ASKED! :lol:

Follow these steps. Don't deviate from them... and when you come back here at the end of it - you will be able to tell PD that you got sex with a British woman.

1) Book a package tour to Spain in the summer - on the Costa del Sol, Benidorm is a good place for this
2) Stay at a hotel full of Brits - here, you will be able to meet and get to know Brits and have the chance to hang out with them - Brits are different on holiday, they're more likely to befriend and hang out with people they have just met - it might be the sunshine, the paella or whatever but I have always found to be the case that Brits on holiday are a lot more friendlier, relaxed and basically a whole lot nicer. Especially on the package tours.
3) Dress nice and go out to the bars at night and there will be FULL of drunken, young British women wanting to f**k someone that night - they will have what they call 'beer goggles' on so you can get lucky with a British woman way out of your league - if you're charming and you can make them laugh - you'll be in there - the thing is - the social dynamic is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to how it is back home - as they wouldn't be seen dead with you (or me or Marcos or whoever...) on holiday - the theory is that they will never see you again - so the chances of you getting laid with a young British woman are pretty good - especially if you are as charming and as funny as you say you are - you will be able to achieve this feat - there are men I know who bed up to twenty women on holiday.
4) And for whatever reason the Brits aren't doing it for you - then there are Germans, the Dutch, Swedes, Norwegians - tons of young white women in bikinis topping up their tan before they have to go back to cold, shitty, snowy Stavanger or Hull or wherever...

There isn't an excuse here, these package tours are cheap! You can even get all in package deals where you get wine and beer (plus your three meals a day and whatever snacks, hot dogs, burgers, chips, sandwiches are on offer) gratis on the hotel premisises - the thing is, we all know you want to get laid and the deep and philisophical discussions with women in Bremen or Wolverhampton - you don't give a shit about really! :lol: Your MO is about getting laid and it always has been.

If you want to f**k European women - especially Brits, Scandinavians, Germans and the Dutch - you need to do it in a place where they won't be judged, where they won't be scrutinized by their long term peers, friends and family, where there is an escape route where they have the option never to see you again and that - should be your plan for this year - you do that (and get into some kind of shape - do some running between now and July and try and lose some weight...)and you'll be able to give PD a two fingers victory salute.

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Post by hypermak » February 9th, 2020, 6:42 pm

I am slowly catching up with your old exchange with PD on this topic and I also have the little info PD gave me about this.

Again, I can't talk for him and can only give you my opinion, as a European citizen who has lived or visited several Euro countries. Malta is technically not part of Europe but it gravitates around the European cultural sphere.

When you were in Russia, as you say, it was more than a decade ago and times were different, both for Russia and Europe. As you might have read on the press, most European countries right now are squashed between a financial crisis and a migrant crisis, which is effectively an identity crisis. The countries who are the most reluctant to welcome more migrants from Africa and the Middle East, like Poland and Hungary, are the one doing comparatively better. Maybe not a coincidence.

Now, the effect of more migrant in our societies is not immediate and not that dramatic, but because of the press banging on it constantly, it changed the average man's perception of the stranger, any stranger, be them from a poor country in Africa or a rich country like the US or Canada.

At least in my opinion, this makes Europe kind of a hard nut to crack. If you have money yes, you could move there and start hitting the local bars or clubs, chatting up random women in English or their respective languages, if you speak them or you can be bothered to learn them.

The problem I, and PD, see is that it's not as easy as you think to make meaningful friendships in, say, Barcelona or Prague just out of a random conversation had in a bar, while half drunk. By meaningful friendship I mean one where you guys are hanging out at least a few times a month, genuinely enjoy talking about different topics and, in case of a woman, both of you might see the friendship evolving into something deeper.

I agree with PD that, not just in Europe but everywhere in the world, the better girls are usually taken from an early age. Sure, you could try developing a platonic relationship with them if both they and they boyfriends/husbands are OK with it. Most of the time it won't go down well with the men, especially in Eastern Europe where men are much more possessive and territorial (and so are women, TBH).

You could obviously try with the small army or single women, usually divorcess or single moms who go to the pub to get some relief from a life of working to paying bills and feed their kids. As @yick says, there is no shortage of these kinds of women in the UK. They are usually in their early 30s to late 40s, usually (with some notable exceptions!) not so well in shape anymore. Life is taking a toll on them and you can clearly see them the way they talk, they behave and from whatever happens after that night.

The "beer goggles" thing it's just a myth IMHO. Unless the woman is almost passed out and you need to carry her while she is semi-conscious but unable to stand or walk, any woman you meet in a pub will have decided within the first 10/15 minutes from meeting you, if she wants to take you to her place or be taken to yours, for some sex. Even if she is drunk or very drunk, she will still remember her initial impression and still reject you, more or less politely.

Forget about "cold approaches", they will only make you look like a fool, a creep, or both. I saw some candid cameras shot in Italy and Spain and basically only the most handsome young guys, I mean model looking, were able to get the interest of a pretty girl on the spot, with phone number exchange and all. Remember this is the Instagram generation, where every girls believe she deserves only the best and the hottest, and can hide her real self behind heavily filtered pictures and videos.

So my understanding is that, like most men here, you are looking for young, pretty girls whom you can have a nice, deep connection with. Those are not easy to find in any place in the world. What I found so far in the Philippines is nice sex partners who, surprisingly, turned out to be good conversations and, after all, good friends.

I am still seeing the consultant who comes here once a week, she is in her early 30s like me, never married, no kids and very much in shape. We never miss our romps but after that she never fails to impress me in terms of what we can talk about: culture, politics, history, what we have in common, what our dreams are, where we see ourselves in 3, 5 or 10 years... I am not tying the knot with her any time soon, but I can say I do have a special connection with her. We are OK to continue like this, without commitment, and that is a blessing for the 2 of us.

Based on the people I met in Europe, and I include Austria, Spain, France, Germany etc. I can comfortable say finding a girl who is still young and unmarried but not-career obsessed, still pretty and in shape, and a good conversation is much harder in those countries than in the Philippines.

In Europe, you might well find the woman or women of your dreams, and I for one wish you do, if and when you decide to set foot there. The chances are quite a big higher, though, that you will be stuck in a city or two, without much to do, feeding your soul off random encounters with men or women in pubs, bars or hostels that never go past that night's chitchat. It will be hard to find someone young, pretty, unmarried and available for something casual.

As I said, you might have some luck with divorcess and single moms who are around your age, however I guess they would be a long shot from what you desire, correct?

Then you say there are other aspects in life than sex. I agree 100% with that. That is why, if you do move to Europe, you can't just be a backpacker looking for some random encounters. To get that level of integration with us, the locals, you would probably need to learn the local language well, have a social status, which means a job or at least something that gets you into a social circle. There's also grooming and appearance but I assume you're OK with that already.
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You guys are forgetting one thing.

When I was in Russia I met about 400 to 500 girls via cold approach, most for just brief moments of course. Out of all that, only about 4 or 5 of them had a serious interest in me. That's about a 99 percent rejection rate. And yes this was when I looked younger and was only 30. That may sound bad, but it's not as bad as you think. It's not like the US where 100 percent of white girls I meet say they have a boyfriend or blow me off, especially in California, where white girls are very racist toward Asian guys. At least in Russia you always have some form of female companionship, even if it's just a casual social outing or platonic hang out or culture/language exchange, etc. That's part of life. But at least this is not a 100 percent rejection rate, only 99. So PD was wrong to predict a 100 percent rejection rate with certainty. He was at best only semi-right.

In Europe, I'd probably experience something similar but on a smaller scale. Of course the girls there are not going to be as open to cold approach as in Russia, but much more than in the US at least, so it's somewhere in the middle. I wouldn't be able to meet 400 girls that easily as in Russia, but it wouldn't be zero either. It'd be smaller but regular at least, kind of like in China, where I met maybe 3 or 4 people per week (both men and women), not everyday, but not zero either like in Taiwan or the USA.

So what I'm saying is, I'm not expecting a whole lot. But it should be easy to at least make platonic or casual friends in Europe, both male and female, like what I experienced in Poland, as you can see in my videos. It's not like the USA or Taiwan where I don't even like to go out because the vibe is so weird and awkward and feels super cliquish like high school, that's the worst. To me it's all about the vibe. Europe for me as a great vibe. I'm in my element there and fit in with the culture, down to the core of my soul. When I was in Warsaw, Poland, none of the girls there would give me their number and they were very reserved, but they were polite, so I didn't get a negative or awkward vibe at least. That's what matters most to me, the vibe. As long as it's positive and not negative or awkward or off, then I'm generally ok, even if I'm alone and not dating anyone.

That happened in Warsaw, Poland. And more recently, in Cambodia after Dianne left, I hung out for almost two weeks alone before Rock and Worldtraveler came to join me. During that time I was fine too, because the vibe in Cambodia is nice and relaxed and feels positive, like the vibe you got in America during the 1970's.

So I hope you guys understand my position. And see that I'm not all about sex and getting laid all the time like some of you are. There are other important aspects of life too. I'm not as shallow as some of you are, and do not see all interactions with females as a waste of time unless there's sex involved. I can connect with women emotionally and feel satisfied with that even without sex. So I'm a deeper guy, not a shallow guy like many guys are. So don't project yourselves onto me. I am not a typical western guy. And not all western guys are like you guys anyway.

Hope you understand my point.

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Re: Would Winston be happier abroad in Europe?

Post by yick » February 9th, 2020, 7:07 pm

@hypermak Great post - I will defend my position on the 'beer goggles' comment though.

I am talking specifically about British girls on holiday, NOT back home in the UK - in Benidorm, Magaluf, Torremolinos - you know where I mean, the package holiday deals a lot of Brits go for - and I stated my reasons why it might work out for him (also I was very CLEAR about this distinction), I also added the caveat that it would depend on his charm and being able to make these British girls laugh - making a girl laugh in the UK goes a long way to her opening up to you and seeing you as a romantic prospect - even if only for the night, now, when it comes to Winston dating women in Europe and being on their home turf away from a holiday scenario - then I agree with you that he needs to be there long term, learn the language if he is outside of the UK and probably the Netherlands, having something going on regards work, study, hobbies where he can meet women.

He might weigh in on what he really wants, I don't think he wants single mums slightly younger than him, if he does, well - he's in luck in the UK! There are plenty of those, but you know as well as I that even the most below average British woman thinks they're Scarlett Johansson and have rather unreasonable expectations of men and what they can command as romantic interests. Winston seems to think they're more reasonable than American women - are they? I don't think they are - and if he thinks he is just going to stop random women on the street like some PUA artist then he is going to get arrested or some white knight will beat him up sooner or later. There is no big difference between The States and the UK regards what they see as 'harrassment'.

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Re: Would Winston be happier abroad in Europe?

Post by hypermak » February 9th, 2020, 7:41 pm

yick wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 7:07 pm
@hypermak Great post - I will defend my position on the 'beer goggles' comment though.
Thanks.
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February 9th, 2020, 7:07 pm
I am talking specifically about British girls on holiday, NOT back home in the UK - in Benidorm, Magaluf, Torremolinos - you know where I mean, the package holiday deals a lot of Brits go for - and I stated my reasons why it might work out for him (also I was very CLEAR about this distinction), I also added the caveat that it would depend on his charm and being able to make these British girls laugh - making a girl laugh in the UK goes a long way to her opening up to you and seeing you as a romantic prospect - even if only for the night, now, when it comes to Winston dating women in Europe and being on their home turf away from a holiday scenario - then I agree with you that he needs to be there long term, learn the language if he is outside of the UK and probably the Netherlands, having something going on regards work, study, hobbies where he can meet women.
Oh LOL Benidorm..Magaluf...the open air orgy of young, working class Britain you mean! :D

You know how many young happy go lucky young people we have in my industry, from waiters and waitresses to kitchen/chef assistants to young chefs. I know literally hundreds of those young men and women who go there every summer, religiously. Sometimes Ibiza but those 3 places you mentioned have the reputation of the ultimate cesspits of depravation. Many colleagues invited me several times and I always refused. I prefer spending my holidays with my friends and my family back in Italy.

If you are British, lived in Britain or have been to those places, you probably know who is the typical man or woman who goes there. Winston could forget about spiritual connections, deep conversations, and the likes. If he goes there, it will all be about showing off sixpacks and chiseled hairstyles, having immediate (if shallow) chemistry with the opposite sex and talking the deed within the first hour of meeting. Yes, the chances of meeting a girl who is completely wasted and will probably vomit on your crotch while giving you a BJ, are higher but...I mean, is it worth it? :)

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For the little I have read about Winston's preferences, that would be his definition of hell, especially if he can't sample the effects of beer goggles soon enough and standoffishness and rejections, the rudeness of the "drunken blokes" all around him, perhaps the odd street/bar fight, will take away all of the fun.

I personally would never enjoy a hellhole like that and, no offense to you if you partake in it, those I knew in London who were Magaluf regulars had all the same kind of personality traits: uneducated, loud, foul-mouthed, often with a criminal record for drugs or abuse-related stuff, no real direction in life, etc. You know what I mean...
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He might weigh in on what he really wants, I don't think he wants single mums slightly younger than him, if he does, well - he's in luck in the UK! There are plenty of those, but you know as well as I that even the most below average British woman thinks they're Scarlett Johansson and have rather unreasonable expectations of men and what they can command as romantic interests. Winston seems to think they're more reasonable than American women - are they? I don't think they are - and if he thinks he is just going to stop random women on the street like some PUA artist then he is going to get arrested or some white knight will beat him up sooner or later. There is no big difference between The States and the UK regards what they see as 'harrassment'.
Again I can speak by personal preference but I do seem to agree with you. 40-something pub slappers with a history of alcohol/drug abuse or working class single mums on their free night, are not really something one can have much more than a one-night stand with. No man would want more than that and the ladies know it, most are in fact contented with it. In several years in London, I only had one of such encounter, she was a divorced mom of 2 but at least cute, in decent shape and with two nice melons (I am a breast man!).

Absolutely agree with you on the fine line between drunken approaches and harassment leading to a court case and a conviction. The appalling stats are than 25% of the make working population, and I mean across all social statuses, has a criminal record. Of course there are the burglars and those who didn't pay a parking ticket, but a good bulk of these convictions are the rather unsubstantial abuse charges from ex-wives, ex-gfs and occasional sluts who can, essentially, get away with murder.

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Re: Would Winston be happier abroad in Europe?

Post by Shemp » February 9th, 2020, 7:47 pm

Poverty feels humiliating for older men and Winston will probably feel poor in Western Europe, so we can rule that out, in addition to greater difficulty of the women.

Best idea is go for low cost cities in a poor country, so he feels relatively wealthy, without much visa issues for Americans, implying second tier Ukraine. Big city like Kharkiv where foreigners don't stand out. Assuming he doesn't want more children, go for women in their 40's, since their children are normally grown by then.

B1+ fluency in Russian will be essential. That will require about 4 years assuming an hour per day of study, less than 4 years if he studies several hours per day.

If he hasn't done the 90 unit Pimsleur, start with that.

Then the Assimil Russian course: www.amazon.com/Superpack-Learn-Russian- ... 2700580265

Then work through these anki decks using Anki app for smartphone:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/549290451
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/604511069
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1926209718

At same time, listen to podcasts with transcripts, such as those at https://russianpodcast.eu/

Buy both universal Ru-En and ExplanatoryBTS Ru-Ru dictionaries for ABBYY app for smartphone. No, Google Translate is not an adequate substitute for dictionaries.
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Re: Would Winston be happier abroad in Europe?

Post by yick » February 9th, 2020, 7:54 pm

@hypermak

'Oh LOL Benidorm..Magaluf...the open air orgy of young, working class Britain you mean!'

Absolfuckinglutely! :lol:

I think Winston lies to us with all this finding spiritual Europeans malarkey - I think he watches 'La Balon Rouge' a few too many times on You Tube and gets whimsical about Europeans having a higher sense of spirituality than the people around him (wherever he is...) I think if he spent any time there, he would suffer from 'Paris Syndrome' what Japanese people suffer from when they end up going to Paris and it's nothing like they thought it would be and they get depressed. :lol:

The best thing for Winston to do is go to Magaluf, Benidorm, Ibiza - apparently - he is funny, charming and has the guts of a pitbull on acid and will approach the most beautiful women in his line of vision - if all that is true - he'll get laid - there will be plenty of half tanked, blonde and blue eyed slappers from places like Middlesbrough, Tredegar and Walsall who would be up for him pumping them for two minutes or so if he can make them laugh... that's the most important caveat with all this - I don't think he could go to anywhere in western Europe and pull that dopey schtick of approaching random women on the street and getting numbers - it just cannot work in today's climate - which you most accurately and succintly pointed out on why.

But on holiday, he will be able to do this and pull it off.

He wants to get laid and if he is honest with us all, he'll admit it - my advice still stands as his best course action, he has got five months to get into shape and book his trip - if he spends a month out there in Benidorm and Magaluf and have an all-inclusive in a Brit packed hotel where he can meet all the Brits he wants around the breakfast table or the lounge by the swimming pool - he's gonna get laid! I'll put money on that bet for sure!

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Re: Would Winston be happier abroad in Europe?

Post by yick » February 9th, 2020, 9:00 pm

Best place for Winston if he wants to make friends and have interaction is South America and Colombia and the 'Coffee Triangle' around Medellin - one of the smaller cities there like Pereira. People are lovely there and friendly and the weather is top notch all year round, or go to Argentina where again - people are very nice - I don't know about getting with women there but Portenos are known for being culture buffs - winter there is a bit shit though.

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Re: Would Winston be happier abroad in Europe?

Post by hypermak » February 9th, 2020, 10:56 pm

yick wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 7:54 pm
I think Winston lies to us with all this finding spiritual Europeans malarkey - I think he watches 'La Balon Rouge' a few too many times on You Tube and gets whimsical about Europeans having a higher sense of spirituality than the people around him (wherever he is...) I think if he spent any time there, he would suffer from 'Paris Syndrome' what Japanese people suffer from when they end up going to Paris and it's nothing like they thought it would be and they get depressed. :lol:

The best thing for Winston to do is go to Magaluf, Benidorm, Ibiza - apparently - he is funny, charming and has the guts of a pitbull on acid and will approach the most beautiful women in his line of vision - if all that is true - he'll get laid - there will be plenty of half tanked, blonde and blue eyed slappers from places like Middlesbrough, Tredegar and Walsall who would be up for him pumping them for two minutes or so if he can make them laugh... that's the most important caveat with all this - I don't think he could go to anywhere in western Europe and pull that dopey schtick of approaching random women on the street and getting numbers - it just cannot work in today's climate - which you most accurately and succintly pointed out on why.

But on holiday, he will be able to do this and pull it off.

He wants to get laid and if he is honest with us all, he'll admit it - my advice still stands as his best course action, he has got five months to get into shape and book his trip - if he spends a month out there in Benidorm and Magaluf and have an all-inclusive in a Brit packed hotel where he can meet all the Brits he wants around the breakfast table or the lounge by the swimming pool - he's gonna get laid! I'll put money on that bet for sure!
Hmm I don't know...if it's that kind of fun he needs, I think he is having a better and cheaper deal in Angeles City where he is! :)

Going to a place where you can share shitty beer in plastic cups for 10 EUR a pop with a loud, potty-mouthed lass from Middlesbrough and before your tongues, if not something else, lock you will be as intoxicated as her and 100 EUR poorer...if Winston was already in Europe he could try. I doubt that, as a human experience, this would be more fulfilling than having sex with petite brown single moms in Angeles or Malate down here.

The $1,000 of the flight alone, so 50,000 PHP, over here will buy at least 10 1 or 2 hour sessions with gorgeous, model-like girls. That's more than he can hope to get in 2 weeks of Magaluf debauchery.

But then if he wants/needs to get deeper connections and a less materiastic vibe, as he really says, perhaps neither places are a match.

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Re: Would Winston be happier abroad in Europe?

Post by yick » February 10th, 2020, 1:39 am

hypermak wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 10:56 pm
yick wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 7:54 pm
I think Winston lies to us with all this finding spiritual Europeans malarkey - I think he watches 'La Balon Rouge' a few too many times on You Tube and gets whimsical about Europeans having a higher sense of spirituality than the people around him (wherever he is...) I think if he spent any time there, he would suffer from 'Paris Syndrome' what Japanese people suffer from when they end up going to Paris and it's nothing like they thought it would be and they get depressed. :lol:

The best thing for Winston to do is go to Magaluf, Benidorm, Ibiza - apparently - he is funny, charming and has the guts of a pitbull on acid and will approach the most beautiful women in his line of vision - if all that is true - he'll get laid - there will be plenty of half tanked, blonde and blue eyed slappers from places like Middlesbrough, Tredegar and Walsall who would be up for him pumping them for two minutes or so if he can make them laugh... that's the most important caveat with all this - I don't think he could go to anywhere in western Europe and pull that dopey schtick of approaching random women on the street and getting numbers - it just cannot work in today's climate - which you most accurately and succintly pointed out on why.

But on holiday, he will be able to do this and pull it off.

He wants to get laid and if he is honest with us all, he'll admit it - my advice still stands as his best course action, he has got five months to get into shape and book his trip - if he spends a month out there in Benidorm and Magaluf and have an all-inclusive in a Brit packed hotel where he can meet all the Brits he wants around the breakfast table or the lounge by the swimming pool - he's gonna get laid! I'll put money on that bet for sure!
Hmm I don't know...if it's that kind of fun he needs, I think he is having a better and cheaper deal in Angeles City where he is! :)

Going to a place where you can share shitty beer in plastic cups for 10 EUR a pop with a loud, potty-mouthed lass from Middlesbrough and before your tongues, if not something else, lock you will be as intoxicated as her and 100 EUR poorer...if Winston was already in Europe he could try. I doubt that, as a human experience, this would be more fulfilling than having sex with petite brown single moms in Angeles or Malate down here.

The $1,000 of the flight alone, so 50,000 PHP, over here will buy at least 10 1 or 2 hour sessions with gorgeous, model-like girls. That's more than he can hope to get in 2 weeks of Magaluf debauchery.

But then if he wants/needs to get deeper connections and a less materiastic vibe, as he really says, perhaps neither places are a match.
See, I agree with you - I would personally move my arse to Mataki and try and get with a higher quality of girl - a nurse or someone who works in a bank and one that has definitely been to university - I don't know if I am talking out of my arse here or if that is feasible for him but he has a mental block with blonde, white chicks - this is what 'Happier Abroad' and the whole Winston Wu phenonema has all been about - his wholesale rejection by said women - it doesn't matter that he has had sex with hundreds if not thousands of women and has had more sex than me if I had live a hundred lifetimes - this rejection eats deep into his soul - in fact, he might have mentioned it on this thread of the thread our posts have been moved from on how racist and horrible the blonde girls were back in his High School in California and European girls surely cannot be as racist as they.... :(

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Re: Would Winston be happier abroad in Europe?

Post by Winston » February 25th, 2020, 1:44 am

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February 9th, 2020, 9:00 pm
Best place for Winston if he wants to make friends and have interaction is South America and Colombia and the 'Coffee Triangle' around Medellin - one of the smaller cities there like Pereira. People are lovely there and friendly and the weather is top notch all year round, or go to Argentina where again - people are very nice - I don't know about getting with women there but Portenos are known for being culture buffs - winter there is a bit shit though.
Yeah a NZer guy named El_Caudillo recommended Argentina. He said it was very European like and the men there like to have philosophical conversations and the women there are cool with flirtations from random strangers. So he said I might like it. Have you been there? What did you think of it? I met a Colombian bar girl once in Tijuana, Mexico and danced with her and French kissed her passionately. She was so sensuous, like a real woman. Very busty too. It was a cloud 9 experience.

Here's some photos of me and her:

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Re: Would Winston be happier abroad in Europe?

Post by yick » February 25th, 2020, 1:57 am

Winston wrote:
February 25th, 2020, 1:44 am
yick wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 9:00 pm
Best place for Winston if he wants to make friends and have interaction is South America and Colombia and the 'Coffee Triangle' around Medellin - one of the smaller cities there like Pereira. People are lovely there and friendly and the weather is top notch all year round, or go to Argentina where again - people are very nice - I don't know about getting with women there but Portenos are known for being culture buffs - winter there is a bit shit though.
Yeah a NZer guy named El_Caudillo recommended Argentina. He said it was very European like and the men there like to have philosophical conversations and the women there are cool with flirtations from random strangers. So he said I might like it. Have you been there? What did you think of it? I met a Colombian bar girl once in Tijuana, Mexico and danced with her and French kissed her passionately. She was so sensuous, like a real woman. Very busty too. It was a cloud 9 experience.

Here's some photos of me and her:

https://southwestusacanyons.shutterfly. ... tures/1657

https://southwestusacanyons.shutterfly. ... tures/1656

https://southwestusacanyons.shutterfly. ... tures/1652

https://southwestusacanyons.shutterfly. ... tures/1651

https://southwestusacanyons.shutterfly. ... tures/1655
Been there twice actually and lived there once - I liked it a lot - Latin American women are definitely easier to approach and are more used to men approaching them (mind you - a lot of men just whistle, catcall or go 'que tetas' or que culooooooo') Argentinian women are hard work but I find them (and Latins in general...) easy to befriend - you would get further intergrating in social circles in South America than you would in Spain or Italy.

Argentina is like Spain but with friendlier people - as they say about Argentinians - they're Italians who speak Spanish but think they're British etc

If I was going to give you some advice with this one is go to a student city - Rosario, Cordoba or my favourite - Mar del Plata - though I like Buenos Aires - you are going to get better value in one of the cities north of there.

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My favourite part of South America is Colombia, modern, clean, nice, friendly and polite people - but give Argentina a go but I recommend Colombia as number one pick.

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