American gives his observations of England

[Winston]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFdnqFR1bPs&NR=1

[dano]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFdnqFR1bPs&NR=1

I lived in England for 2 yrs. so I can relate to what he's saying. I hated living there but if your into art, history, football, drinking or shopping for clothes you might find it interesting. He forgot to mention the weather is depressing eight months of the year and if you took the alcohol out of England there would be nothing to do. Also, its the only country I have been to where I dislike the women more than american women.

[Winston]

Why do you dislike UK women more than American women? They seem so intelligent and down to earth. Isn't that a good thing?

They also seem more cheerful and easy to socialize with.

What if you go to the pubs to socialize with people, but just order coke or iced tea? Wouldn't that work too?

What about rolling green hills and historical castles?

I'm surprised that he said there's no dating in England and that a guy and girl usually hang out together in groups. Ick. With a group, you never know who you're gonna get, but I'm sure most of them are decent folk. But how can you do something more intimate, even hold hands, if you're in a group?

[Rock]

I'm surprised that he said there's no dating in England and that a guy and girl usually hang out together in groups.

Didn't Bella say exactly the same thing???

Interesting that he said as an American, he could get away with breaking some of the implied social restrictions which applied to locals. Sounds similar to the case of foreigners in some Asian countries.

BTW, I also lived in England for over 2 years and was not able to crack the dating code. The London gals seemed to have very high standards. Perhaps I should have tried working on a few of the many resident foreigners but I was very busy with my studies and work.

[Adama]

The advantage of living in England: easy access to Holland, France, Belgium.

Interact with the stuck up, bitchy, know-it-all British women? Not a chance!

The UK government is too fascist and nosy for me though.

[dano]

Why do you dislike UK women more than American women? They seem so intelligent and down to earth. Isn't that a good thing?

They also seem more cheerful and easy to socialize with.

What if you go to the pubs to socialize with people, but just order coke or iced tea? Wouldn't that work too?

What about rolling green hills and historical castles?

I'm surprised that he said there's no dating in England and that a guy and girl usually hang out together in groups. Ick. With a group, you never know who you're gonna get, but I'm sure most of them are decent folk. But how can you do something more intimate, even hold hands, if you're in a group?

UK women are the only women I know of that drink, smoke and sleep around more than american women. When you add that to a high calorie, low protein diet you end up with women that look 10 years older than than they should. Also, they don't wear much makeup which doesn't help. Occasionally, you will find a UK woman like Liz Hurley that does not fit this stereotype, but this is rare. The best looking women I saw in England were always foreigners.

[Adama]

Why do you dislike UK women more than American women? They seem so intelligent and down to ear The best looking women I saw in England were always foreigners.

From which countries???

[BellaRuth]

Just found this thread.

UK women are the only women I know of that drink, smoke and sleep around more than american women... they don't wear much makeup which doesn't help.

Aaah. I think, unfortunately, I'll have to concur with this (apart from smoking, I don't know anyone who smokes anymore). You absolutely cannot underestimate the importance of alcohol here. Casual sex is also incredibly common and in some circles very much expected.

I'd also agree that in general makeup isn't a big issue, but it doesn't seem to be one for other European girls I know.

The healthiest people go to the countryside from what I've seen. That's where you'll find any Liz Hurley types as well. The lady herself owns an organic farm now, as it's the 'done thing'. You'll rarely find them in, say, a run-down average city in the middle of England because there's no quality of life there. You'll need to go to the nicer areas. Having said that, I do know a lot of girls here who are lovely and take care of themselves- but they'll be in the nice pretty countryside places getting fresh air and good food and having a nice relaxed social life rather than scuffling along in the rain in a little no-hoper city with a stomach full of microwaved pasties and sausage rolls.

I see this even where I am right now- I often go to nice countryside areas and everything changes. People dress smarter, they have more pride in themselves, have more hobbies/interests, better social lives, and are generally more friendly and pleasant.

As for dating, yes- there is NO dating, especially not several people, and a lot of hanging around in mixed-sex groups. You get to know someone as a friend, then you become official 'boyfriend and girlfriend'. It's not very... organised, I guess. Take me and my chap- we met on a course and became good friends, I let him know I'd like to be more than friends, that was it we became a 'couple', then we just hung out together as couples do (yes you do go round as couples too Winston, a lot). We didn't have proper dates, just talked, travelled around, etc. I think for a lot of Brits a proper 'date' would be too formal and you'd be under too much pressure, they'd rather just relax and get to know each other without it being a big deal if they don't gel. (My chap's not a Brit tho, but has integrated very well and didn't seem to find this a problem).

J.Adama: Stuck-up, bitchy and know-it-all? I'm not defending my countryfolk here, but I wouldn't describe anyone I know like that. If I hear people moaning that Britain has bad weather, an alcohol problem and a lot of fat no-hopers living off government money, then yes, for instance! But I wouldn't say we are particularly arrogant or bitchy, honestly. I'd even venture that if this has been your experience you've had an unusual one. If anything I think people pride themselves on being down-to-earth. In addition, every (EVERY) foreigner I've spoken to has said he likes the British and finds them friendly, fun and laid-back. These are usually people from mainland Europe or developing countries. There was a survey of refugees recently too asking about their experiences and they said the same thing.

I wouldn't recommend the UK as an alternative to America for the purposes of this site but I don't think you can merge the two by any means. We do have our differences.

[Winston]

Why do you dislike UK women more than American women? They seem so intelligent and down to earth. Isn't that a good thing?

They also seem more cheerful and easy to socialize with.

What if you go to the pubs to socialize with people, but just order coke or iced tea? Wouldn't that work too?

What about rolling green hills and historical castles?

I'm surprised that he said there's no dating in England and that a guy and girl usually hang out together in groups. Ick. With a group, you never know who you're gonna get, but I'm sure most of them are decent folk. But how can you do something more intimate, even hold hands, if you're in a group?

UK women are the only women I know of that drink, smoke and sleep around more than american women. When you add that to a high calorie, low protein diet you end up with women that look 10 years older than than they should. Also, they don't wear much makeup which doesn't help. Occasionally, you will find a UK woman like Liz Hurley that does not fit this stereotype, but this is rare. The best looking women I saw in England were always foreigners.

Well as long as they are friendly and approachable, that's what counts.

I met some older British blonde women in their 40's once in Red Square in Moscow, and they enjoyed flirting with me and having me put my arm around them. They thought it was cute. They wanted me to go to see the Bolshoi Ballet with them but I didn't have a ticket. lol

But anyhow, they seemed a lot more good natured and easy to talk to than American women their age. That's for sure.

[Winston]

Bella,
How do you get "casual sex" in the UK if it's so common? Some guys here said they went there and never got any dates. I mean, if you meet a girl who is proper and civil, you can just say "hey wanna have sex" like they do in sitcoms. That'd be inappropriate.

Are you supposed to buy her drinks and see if she gets drunk and then take her home? Is that how guys do it? I hate using alcohol to seduce someone. That's so lame and low quality.

Or do you just wait for her to touch you and say seductive words?

[BellaRuth]

Are you supposed to buy her drinks and see if she gets drunk and then take her home? Is that how guys do it? I hate using alcohol to seduce someone. That's so lame and low quality.

Haha, you got it!

Seriously though... you don't need to get her drunk. A girl I know likes casual sex and doesn't get overly drunk all that often, to be fair. If I was a guy in a club and wanted casual sex... it's pretty simple, I guess. Eye her up. See if she looks back. Ask her if she would like a drink. If that goes well, get some dirty dancing thrown in there. Then you're probably in. Don't have a great deal of experience here as I'm usually the lass to say that I have a boyfriend, but that's how it usually works. Just make yourself obviously interested and friendly and you'll know if she's up for it. That's what clubs are for here!

[designer]

Britain is a Police state and its women are arrogant and far worse than american women.

[***JP***]

Britain is a Police state and its women are arrogant and far worse than american women.

Also the women in Britain are a bunch of sluts. They cheat on their boyfriends or husbands every chance they get. From my experience British women are even worst than american women. They are selfish, play too many games and of course they are not faithful. I wouldn't touch a English bitch even if I had a 10 foot pole. Oh I also forgot to mention most of those women are a bunch of drug addicts too.

[ringspun]

I'm English and I agree with all you guys, the majority of English women are cunts, up their own asses, out for what they can get and totally untrustworthy... been burnt? hell yes...

All I can say is a trip out to Germany, Poland, Thailand and even the US refreshes my belief in women again, but here it is no good.

You also are right the majority of people here drink and work, thats all they do, its a shit country and if it were not for my young children I would be out already, it however does not stop me traveling which I do very often... Philippines for Xmas!

[publicduende]

Bella,
How do you get "casual sex" in the UK if it's so common? Some guys here said they went there and never got any dates. I mean, if you meet a girl who is proper and civil, you can just say "hey wanna have sex" like they do in sitcoms. That'd be inappropriate.

Are you supposed to buy her drinks and see if she gets drunk and then take her home? Is that how guys do it? I hate using alcohol to seduce someone. That's so lame and low quality.

Or do you just wait for her to touch you and say seductive words?

You guys sometimes baffle me. Some of you are complaining that UK doesn't have many nice girls, the kinds you would want to engage in long-term relationships with. Then an equal number of you moan about lack of fortune in having casual sex, with sits at the opposite end of the scale.

In UK at least, the girls you can have easy casual sex with are not the girls you would seek for long-term relationships and marriage. Having sex is as easy as popping in a local pub on a Thursday, Friday or Saturday night, finding a random excuse to start chatting to a group of 2 or 3 girls chatting alone. Before you know it you'll be snogging them in a corner, or fingering or being blow in the toilets. And the rest happens at home. My first year in London was a bit crude on that sense, but very revealing. At least it told me (the hard way) that that kind of mindless promiscuity lost most of it raunchy excitement after the first few times. Luckily I was a postgrad student and also had access to better (intellectual, cultural) quality girls, many of who also happened to be decent to good looking.

Where to find girls for long-term relationships? Hm they have to be upper class girls, who will have had a good family upbringing and gone to good schools and possibly a good uni as well. I have met a fair number of them. Definitely shier and less noisy than the Little Britain kinds of girls, and perhaps for this reason less easy to spot.