Swedish feminism / American Feminism

[Quiet_observer]

Swedish feminist figured out early that it wasn't about having what the men have. Instead of trying to emulate men and masculine behaviors while hating the very thing they emulate ( like American women ) , Swedish women decided to aim for something completely different. For the most part, they maintained their feminine nature. They let boys be boys. Its really interesting to think about. Yohan made a good point when he said that feminism in Sweden is more about EQUALITY of sexes. I observed this on many occasions while I were there- but couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks Yohan.

[Cornfed]

It doesn't really matter. It is clear that feminism is a giant hoax and the whole thing is about destroying the white race. If they use slightly different methods in different places, so what?

[Yohan]

This is really the difference with feminism in USA/UK and feminism in these small Scandinavian countries in Europe, and also I can say in the German / Slavic speaking area in Central and Eastern Europe.

Many feminist issues a la USA/UK do not exist. A short summery...

In USA this feminist discussion is getting immediately hateful and often mixed up with strong racist remarks - 'destroying the white race' -
however there is no progress, as USA is a legal chaos and people are hateful against each other. It's against ALL men and against ALL women...

This is not the case in Scandinavia, also in Germany such feminist discussion in general remains civilized.

Yes, it took a while, but for example alimony in Germany is not a topic anymore as it is in USA - the new family law since 2008 limits strongly any alimony claim to maximum 3 years - the law says, divorce means also to work during a transition period to become totally financially independent from the former spouse, with or without children does not matter. 3 years financial support for the ex-wife and after it's zero. You are forced to 'Go your own way', if you like that or not' as a woman is irrelevant.

Child support is also regulated in percentages of the actual earning, no court will send you to jail if you are jobless and cannot pay child support, the system is much more lenient, more tolerant.

Of course unlike USA medical insurance is totally out of question, as the national health system is for everybody, nobody is excluded if living there. This includes foreigners with proper visa. Any medical bill is not a headache.

To look out for a foreign wife/even if she is of different race - this was never any issue, no discussion about visa, a 'marriage license'? Are you kidding me?

Abortion, not a topic anymore. The solution was found somewhere in the middle. How do you even know a woman is pregnant during the first 3 to 4 months? OK, if she wants an abortion, she can keep it as a secret, no objection, abortion during this time is legal. Who cares? After that, carry out the child. No right for late abortion.

OK, feminism exists, father's rights are not so clear either, but by far it is not what I see from USA, with one side totally against abortion, and the other side even supporting abortion a few days before birth. In Europe people are looking for a solution somewhere in the middle.

There is also a discussion going on about 'herbivore' men in Japan, it's similar to MGTOW. -

It's about economic concern, not really about legal concern, not about hating women, but the question is why should I create problems which do not exist for me now, problems I can avoid?

Should you sell out yourself only because you are a man, working day and night to pay for housing loan, to pay for the best education for your children etc. What about myself as a man? Who cares about me?

You might call the ideology of MGTOW to be selfish a little for the male, but it is not hateful against ALL women.

MGTOW is strongly against radical feminism, a toxic movement, rampant in USA, which is looking out for privileges and advantages with the sole justification of being a female. -

This has nothing to do with EQUALITY anymore. It's about to extort money from companies, from individuals, from public funds for the benefit of some certain groups of women (in USA indeed mostly 'white'). Needless to say, exactly these women are financially already fairly good off and they never care about other females who are below their own status.

I think, Cornfed sees only feminism in the Anglosphere, especially in USA and I agree, feminism in English speaking regions is really a bad hateful movement against all which you might consider 'male'.

No male in USA is safe, even not small boys, see the following links, what I read here would be classified as 'idiotism' anywhere else in this world.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/12/us/si ... uspension/

Amid a tidal wave of negative publicity, a Colorado school system has let a 6-year-old boy return to school and said it won't classify his kissing a girl on the hand as sexual harassment.
The story of first-grader Hunter Yelton made national news and spurred outrage this week after word spread that his school near Colorado Springs suspended him for the kiss and accused him of sexually harassing the girl.
On Wednesday night, CNN affiliate KRDO reported that Canon City Schools Superintendent Robin Gooldy met with Hunter's parents. The superintendent then changed Hunter's disciplinary offense from "sexual harassment" to "misconduct."

http://www.kxxv.com/story/5785699/4-yea ... ng-teacher

4 -year-old Accused of Improperly Touching Teacher

BELLMEAD- A four-year-old hugged his teachers aide and was put into in-school suspension, according to the father. But La Vega school administrators have a different story.

Damarcus Blackwell's four-year-old son was lining-up to get on the bus after school last month, when he was accused of rubbing his face in the chest of a female employee.

The prinicipal of La Vega Primary School sent a letter to the Blackwells that said the pre-kindergartener demonstrated "inappropriate physical behavior interpreted as sexual contact and/or sexual harassment."

Blackwell says it's ridiculous that the aide would misread a hug from a four-year-old. Blackwell wrote to administrators demanding that the whole incident be expunged from his son's academic file because his son is too young to know what it means to act sexually.

David Davis, the executive director of the Advocacy Center in Waco tends to agree with Blackwell. He says assuming the boy has not had sexual encounters, or been inappropriately exposed to pornography, most four-year-olds are sexually innocent.

Blackwell got a response from the La Vega administration. The sexual references on the discipline referral were removed. But the thing that makes Blackwell most upset is they told him "your request for an apology by the aide and removal of all paperwork regarding this incident is denied." Now the young student's file will refer to the incident as "inappropriate physical contact." And Blackwell says he will continue to fight the district.

[cdnFA]

Swedish women decided to aim for something completely different. For the most part, they maintained their feminine nature. They let boys be boys. Its really interesting to think about. .

The Swedes seem even bigger on the whole gender being a social construct garbage than even American ones. Also in Sweden they have much more access to power.

Maybe individual swede women are that way but it isn't because of feminism but despite it.

[Adama]

Western European feminism is better than American feminism. That must truly suck because those men who even experienced a lite version of feminism had to take the escape hatch to Japan.

[Quiet_observer]

[quote="Yohan"]In USA this feminist discussion is getting immediately hateful and often mixed up with strong racist remarks - 'destroying the white race' -
however there is no progress, as USA is a legal chaos and people are hateful against each other. It's against ALL men and against ALL women...

Exactly! And the only people who seem to be so concerned with the White Race dying ( Here on-line ) are the Americans. I am bloody offended by this comment. Because this comment shows just how much of a bubble the Americans are happy living in. Americans do not represent the entire white race and there is a good reason whites ended up in America. Whoever wrote their history books did a good job of covering much up. If they knew who lead European people across the waters ( And to America ) they would have shat their pants. So, to hear Americans jump on the "Destroying the white race" bandwagon is frustrating. I have more of a right to be concerned with the "Destroying of the white race" than many Americans do. This global "white brotherhood" that the Americans seem infatuated with does not support them quite the way they think it does. They will be in for a shock should they seek shelter in foreign white lands after it ( America ) has collapsed and burned. That is 200% certain. They will atone for their sins of global ignorance. Many of these Americans should take the trip to any Scandinavian areas and look around. Sure, you can talk to me about how horrible blacks are in America till you are blue in the face, but I will laugh in your face as Id rather be dealing with black Americans than the Black Muslims we have to deal with back home. In fact, lets trade. I swear the Americans would not last 3 months should thir blacks be swapped out with muslims. They live in such a bubble and dont know how good they have it. Even today. I try to ignore the "Death of the white race" conspiracy nuts. Its the AMERICAN WHITEs they are concerned with. THEIR OWN!! They don't care about the rest of us, I guess. hahah. Its ok. We know better.

[quote="Yohan"]There is also a discussion going on about 'herbivore' men in Japan, it's similar to MGTOW.

I am well aware of the Herbivore man movement. And even it is much different from the mgtow movement. But unfortunately, it is critical in Japan. I hope they continue moving forward.

[quote="Yohan"]You might call the ideology of MGTOW to be selfish a little for the male, but it is not hateful against ALL women.

I would never call the MGTOW ideology SELFISH. In fact, I constantly say here that MGTOW is a Non-violent response to Leftist feminism. When MGTOW fails, Hyper masculinity will be the next big movement. And that one will see a HUGE witch hunt. American men simply have no choice but to keep to themselves as every little move they might make in this society could see them chopped in half.

[quote="Yohan"]This has nothing to do with EQUALITY anymore. It's about to extort money from companies, from individuals, from public funds for the benefit of some certain groups of women (in USA indeed mostly 'white'). Needless to say, exactly these women are financially already fairly good off and they never care about other females who are below their own status.

Yes friend, you are right. American Feminism benefits white women only in America. Black women have been fierce feminists since the 60s and white women never supported them. Even today. Black women have endlessly tried to reach out ( or, Break Bread ) with white feminists but they do not wish to align with minority women. This will play against them at some point... And you are also correct about most divorced white women owning land and homes today. Special thanks to divorce settlements and the like. I'm telling you, Yohan..... I can feel something brewing here... Its under the surface... It almost white-hot. I think a witch-hunt is brewing.

[quote="Yohan"]I think, Cornfed sees only feminism in the Anglosphere, especially in USA and I agree, feminism in English speaking regions is really a bad hateful movement against all which you might consider 'male'.

I agree with you. But here in America, the males aren't united either. They will continue to fall to feminism. They are just as bitter and racist towards each other as can be. To MGTOW's credit, their men are well united and are diverse. For example, the white MGTOW male has learned black history and is empathetic to the black mans plight against his feminist women. He also observes his woman playing the same game today. The "Born in china" man who came to America will tell you to your face that he doesn't trust any American born Chinese women. He does not consider them Chinese. In fact, he says they are bat-shit-insane. He watches her marry a white american man and takes him to the bank in a divorce.

[Quiet_observer]

Western European feminism is better than American feminism. That must truly suck because those men who even experienced a lite version of feminism had to take the escape hatch to Japan.

Well, lets be honest Adama... More white American men are grabbing asian women fresh off the boat and have been since the 80's. Probably more white American men go for Asians than European men today or even back then. German men were infamous for dating and marrying Asians. American men have beat them. Why? Because most Asian women would prefer American citizenship over EU. And special thanks to Americas feminist system, its getting easier for women to get here, marry, divorce and walk away with the house, the car and some serious spending money.

[josephty2]

Most American feminists you speak of, probably like to watch movies you don't like.

Edit: you probably don't remember which movies you left the theatre early or returned the DVD back to the mailbox if you used Netflix/Blockbuster/Redbox.