Demand for virgin brides

[ladislav]

I agree.

I could see why women had to be virgins prior to marriage in ancient times but now, it's insanity.

Its insanity in a 1st world Western country and virginity was treasured in the West in the ancient times. It is a norm everywhere else in present times. Most people on earth still treasure virginity.

I would never demand that a woman be a virgin prior to a relationship or marriage=

Good for you and for her.

In my case I have the majority of the world on my side. I also spent ten years in rich Muslim countries and it is a norm there. But it would be insanity to try and get that in the US. But I am not dating in the US.

[Raja]

I agree.

I could see why women had to be virgins prior to marriage in ancient times but now, it's insanity.

Its insanity in a 1st world Western country and virginity was treasured in the West in the ancient times. It is a norm everywhere else in present times. Most people on earth still treasure virginity.

I would never demand that a woman be a virgin prior to a relationship or marriage=

Good for you and for her.

In my case I have the majority of the world on my side. I also spent ten years in rich Muslim countries and it is a norm there. But it would be insanity to try and get that in the US. But I am not dating in the US.

I was to believe that there was little dating of any kind in the traditional Muslim world. If you are not there and your possible marriage partner is that twenty something year old college graduate then perhaps holding out for the virgin is perhaps insanity. It does seems as if contemporary culture has dropped that requirement, even for the men seeking a wife overseas, and the old value of virgin or widow has been translated to any woman without baby daddy issues.

[Jester]

Ever insightful Ladislav. I just wish more people in the West could see this. People in America deplore teen pregnancy, but I have always thought that it is no problem at all. The problem is that we have extended childhoods and no longer have a society catering to teen pregnancy. This causes smaller families and broken families. The first kings were fathers.

I guess Ladislav has been educated by life and hard knocks, with a touch of Soviet rigor. I'm not sure where you got your education, ABCDavid. But I salute you. If not for your youthful avatar, I would think you were over 70 years old with such wisdom.

Hats off to you, and Ladislav as well. No doubt he, like me, is happy to see a man "get it" at such a young age. Your goal of being a Patriarch is right on, right on the mark, stunningly so. It is the right goal especially when the leftover scraps of society are dissolving in front of our eyes.

Your ancestors, Chinese and White, stand erect with pride when they gaze on you.

[Jester]

That's so true .. this scenario works in extended family households; where a couple gets married 18-20 yrs old, has kids, & continue their education with family support... Grandparents do their part by helping to raise the grandkids as well. Extra love & care the children get is always a plus.

+1

If I had had his with Miss M, Miss J, Miss T, Miss S1, Miss L, or Miss S2, or Miss O, I would still be with them. I hope my grandchildren will receive the kind of support they need to live the kind of life you describe. One can hope, one can work.

To me this is Heaven. Lots of hard work -- but HEAVEN. (Who said there is no work in Heaven? Maybe there is...)

[Tsar]

Tsar, can you post those stats about how the more partners a woman has the crazier she's likely to be?

Yes, I was actually considering posting it on this thread. Here it is:

[abcdavid01]

Ever insightful Ladislav. I just wish more people in the West could see this. People in America deplore teen pregnancy, but I have always thought that it is no problem at all. The problem is that we have extended childhoods and no longer have a society catering to teen pregnancy. This causes smaller families and broken families. The first kings were fathers.

I guess Ladislav has been educated by life and hard knocks, with a touch of Soviet rigor. I'm not sure where you got your education, ABCDavid. But I salute you. If not for your youthful avatar, I would think you were over 70 years old with such wisdom.

Hats off to you, and Ladislav as well. No doubt he, like me, is happy to see a man "get it" at such a young age. Your goal of being a Patriarch is right on, right on the mark, stunningly so. It is the right goal especially when the leftover scraps of society are dissolving in front of our eyes.

Your ancestors, Chinese and White, stand erect with pride when they gaze on you.

Thanks Jester. Since joining these forums I've really liked how intelligent everyone is and I feel like I've learned a lot.

You're not the first person to say I sound older, but I only have about a year or two of education. I mean that; I feel as though the first nineteen years of my life were spent sleepwalking. You'll appreciate this...I was about three weeks from jumping off a bridge when I received a message from God. I know I said I was an atheist before and it's hard for me to look at mysticism, but that's the only way I can describe it. So perhaps I've already lived a life and am just starting a new one.

[Jester]

One of the things I hate about America is the fact everything is designed for maximum social isolation. The extended family which was like a mini-community died decades ago. It was also a way for people to make new friends.

True.

As ABCDavid says, we have to start from where we are, and build it up again. We will.

"Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools"

[Jester]

I agree.

I could see why women had to be virgins prior to marriage in ancient times but now, it's insanity.

Its insanity in a 1st world Western country and virginity was treasured in the West in the ancient times. It is a norm everywhere else in present times. Most people on earth still treasure virginity.

I would never demand that a woman be a virgin prior to a relationship or marriage=

Good for you and for her.

In my case I have the majority of the world on my side. I also spent ten years in rich Muslim countries and it is a norm there. But it would be insanity to try and get that in the US. But I am not dating in the US.

+1

[Jester]

....I received a message from God.

Message from God... starts at 1:34



Sorry couldn't resist...

[abcdavid01]

One of the things I hate about America is the fact everything is designed for maximum social isolation.

Things have to be looked at holistically. Contemporary artwork is horrifically degenerate, architecture included. House sizes get larger every decade while families grow smaller. So now dad's in one room watching tv, mom's in another room using a computer, and the one teenager is locked up in their room texting. With microwave dinners they can go a whole day without even seeing each other.

[Ghost]

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[Andrewww]

@Ghost, unfortunately you won't get a virgin without commitment unless you're still in high school, alpha or not.

In places where virginity is still treasured you'll have to deal with the girls' parents and that's easier said than done. Safe to say that many of them will always prefer guys of the same race or nationality vs foreigners. Scenarios where the 2 lovers run away and live a happy life are for the movies.

[ladislav]

Ah, but this is where the America-worshipping Filipinos come into play. A great many of the poorer ones love marrying their virgin daughters off to foreigners/Americans. ( foreigner= American in the Philippine culture) especially if you go South. While deep inside they might prefer guys of the same nationality they know that choosing an American for a son in law means someone who, although arrogant and pompous, is responsible with money and has some kind of word of honor. Many also dream of having mixed grandkids with high noses.

I just dream of being promiscous

I have done that for a number of years ( if not decades) and yes, great memories, but also had my heart broken many times because you still want to fall in love and even promiscous women want to fall in love- we are just wired for that- and you can't love because you are so free. Also, after 44 or so, your libido starts going down, you start having problems keeping it up and then one day you wake up with a viagra hard on, another piece of meat by your side who does not want to be with you and is just texting her friends. She is watching the TV while u bang her because she does not love you and is not even interested in you as a friend- she just does not talk to you. Great fun for the body.

Promiscuity is Ok as a distraction not as a goal in itself. It can be viewed somewhat as wanting to drive so many cars or travel to so many countries. Except the urge to fall in love is strong and if you do and then move on because you are promiscous, the pain will linger for years.

There are no easy answers.

[ILoveBlackAmericanWomen]

One of the things I hate about America is the fact everything is designed for maximum social isolation.

Things have to be looked at holistically. Contemporary artwork is horrifically degenerate, architecture included. House sizes get larger every decade while families grow smaller. So now dad's in one room watching tv, mom's in another room using a computer, and the one teenager is locked up in their room texting. With microwave dinners they can go a whole day without even seeing each other.

That's soo true.

[terminator]

I am not in a hurry to get married but I ain't marrying a non virgin. Yeah, I know, people will say but look at you- you are not a virgin yourself , but hey, I am the one who will be buying a house and supporting the kids. I dont want money from the woman, but at least for her to be a virgin. And if she is not, then she can go fly a kite.

Yes, I agree - except I am not going to have a monogamous marriage, but a virgin would help me commit. Faithfulness is just a trap for men that I'll avoid at all costs.

As long as you pay the piper, you call the tune. And if you are not to be faithful, usually it means that your support will have to be generous enough to subdue her grumbling.

Yes, I'm sure she will make me pay. But being faithful is a major trap for guys because it gives the woman all the power over sex. So next time my girl with-holds sex, I'll go elsewhere and take the power back. I really see monogomy is a noose around men's necks so I'm avoiding it.