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I had to post this article cause this is what happens a majority of the time whenever you go shopping in PI. This is why if you are not someone who researches whatever you want to buy before you go into the store here in PI, you may run into issues allowing one of the sales persons to 'assist' you. It doesn't happen all the time, just probably 2/3rds of the time from my personal experience. This is one of the major reasons why I hate shopping in the Philippines. Better run places are generally Western branded stores cause they have to maintain a standard to keep the franchise going in the country, but they still can be annoying in comparison to their Western counterparts.
http://getrealphilippines.com/blog/2013 ... ng-trying/
Philippine Sales Attendants: A Lack of Training and Trying
June 2, 2013by corey
I should say at the start that I am an American living in the Philippines for eight years now and coming here on and off for 30 years. While I love the Philippines in so many ways, I also detest this Country with issues mostly having to do with many of its cultural traits (thanks to 300 years of Spanish Colonialism and Christianity) which I think are the biggest enemy this Country faces and retards its legitimate growth. Some of these cultural traits are: extreme ignorance, incompetence, complacency, timidity, dependency, entitlement and quite a few other cultural stigmas that are addressed very succinctly here on GetRealPhilippines in many of their articles.
I started to think about one element of life here that I unfortunately encounter all too often, that being â€œLack of Trainingâ€ and how often a person such as myself will find themselves in a store that specializes in some product or products and all the sales attendants/staff are as clueless as you are about what it is you may need to buy even thought you describe to them what it is. I can assure you that this happens to 100% of my expat friends here and it drives them insane. Of course I am exaggerating to an extent (as there are aberrations) but not by much. The fact is when I go into most stores the employees there are of almost no help to me at all except to steering me to the aisle where a particular product category is located.
In no store do I find myself dealing with a level of incompetence more so than hardware stores which require a keen knowledge base by the sale employees there. And of the various hardware stores I have been, and there are many: Wilcon Home Depot, Handyman Home Center, ACE Hardware, Citi Hardware, and finally Trust Home Depot, none are as incompetent as those in Citi Hardware.
For The Record: The other stores were really not much better. The only standout was ACE as they appeared to train their employees better and I had much less stress while shopping in ACE.
Regarding Citi Hardware: Itâ€™s like Citi Hardware management goes out of their way to not train anyone. As an example: Due to the house renovations I have been spending lots of time in Hardware stores in general and in particular Citi Harware as they have better stock than most of the others. During the month of April and May I had been looking more so than anything else, for plumbing and electrical parts for the various plumbing and electrical related jobs I needed to do at home either myself or with installers. This would include: installation of a water tank and all its piping, instant hot water shower, whole home water filtration system, bathroom sink and faucet, two air conditioners with breakers, 10 outlets, outdoor lighting and wiring and a few other projects. I have done this countless time in stores in the States like Home Depot and Builders Square and the well trained sales person there always say â€œOh yea, you need this and thatâ€ and then proceed to gather even more information about the job I intend to pursue and give me more information. They also know five different other ways to do the same project, but geared to different monetary budgets. I mean thatâ€™s fantastic and I walk out of the store feeling confident and just plain happy. Very rarely does something not work out based on advice I have gotten from those stores.
Here is a much different story. I would go into the store, find a sales clerk for the specific department and then I would describe the job or jobs slowly and as clearly as I could about what I was trying to accomplish. Itâ€™s not like what I was asking is rocket science. The jobs are fairly common. I just needed to know what parts to buy. Sometimes I would even showed them diagrams and photos for more clarity. I am sorry to say they were totally clueless even with those aids. And NO!!! Itâ€™s not from any sort of language barrier as they understand perfectly what I am saying. It is just that they donâ€™t know anything about the products they are selling despite being assigned to the given specialty product department. I can apply this to the electrical and paint departments and so on and so forth. I then walk out of the store thinking in a sense what a killer must think about before he kills coupled with how incredibly stupid can people be. I know, PHILIPPINE STUPID. In fact they should coin a phrase like this to describe stupidity. Bill â€“ â€œHey Joe, how stupid was the guyâ€ Joe â€“ â€œHe was Philippine Stupidâ€ Bill â€“ â€œWow Joe, Thatâ€™s really stupidâ€
The other really irritating thing is most of these stores work on a consignment basis which means they donâ€™t buy their inventory. They get it more or less for free and pay for it when they sell it. This often times limits them to what stock they have and on more than one, two, three and even four occasions LOL, they donâ€™t stock the most popular or needed parts for specific jobs. I am talking about parts that 99.9% of people will need to use for a very common work. AMAZING. Or they might have a million feet of 1/2″ piping but no 1/2″ elbow or other connectors for that stocked 1/2″ pipe size. Another sign of absolute stupidity by these store owners.
I was so exasperated the other day with Citi Hardware I actually called their headquarters in Davao City to complain (yes, I did use expletives) and to ask a simple question. The question came down to â€œWhy donâ€™t they hire specialists in their various departmentsâ€. I am not talking about many, perhaps one during each shift for each department. And it probably wouldnâ€™t even cost them very much (Maybe an extra few hundred pesos for each specialist daily) and would probably easily be more than offset by increased sales through their expertise. I mean how many customers they must be losing now from not knowing what to sell a customer due to sales attendant ignorance. What I suggested is to have a licensed Plumber, Electrician, Painter, etcâ€¦ to deal with issues customers have and what did I get in response. The typical Philippine repenting consisting of the usual â€œIâ€™m so sorry sirâ€, â€œIâ€™ll look into this sirâ€ and then a lot of EXCUSE mumbling saying not much of anything at all. Of course nothing happened and I expect nothing will. This unfortunately is so typical of the Philippines which surprisingly enough, is a Country that supplies the world with millions of their skilled and highly trained workers. Hmmmmmm, so itâ€™s okay and a good thing to send people overseas with necessary training, but here letâ€™s just hire people maybe for five months and then lay them off because we donâ€™t have to pay them full time benefits or if we do hire full timers, still not train them as that will cost too much money as well.
Companies here, just donâ€™t get it or really care. To them itâ€™s all about saving money and cutting corners. There is no marketing savvy at all. They donâ€™t realize that by having an educated sales staff will ultimately result in a happier customer, a more loyal customer and one that will BUY MORE from them!!! Hello. Interestingly enough, most of the sales people are college educated. What a waste!!!
And I also notice the sales staff has no inspiration or desire themselves to suggest this to management or take time to perhaps educate themselves on their particular department and merchandise. It is not part of their culture to challenge authority and I think they are terrified to do so. Maybe this is a strong case for Unions here.
It is just the same complacent attitude thatâ€™s keeps the Philippines in the proverbial toilet while sister Countries like Vietnam and Cambodia are making leaps and bounds and will soon leave the Philippines in their rear view mirror.
Imagine the Philippines not having any OFWâ€™s. Where would the Country be then? Wallowing in their own defecation and probably crying about it like its not their fault or spending hours on end in Church like their prayers will be answered thereâ€¦..WHAT A JOKE.
What is really amusing is that many of the OFWâ€™s who return back to the Philippines for a holiday after spending a good amount of time in another Country also get frustrated with life here. They actually end up preferring to live overseas and itâ€™s not just about the money they earn. They like the modern conveniences and quality of life. That is easily accomplished here if Filipinos would just get off their asses and do something about it. Most OFWâ€™s only come back home for retirement to take advantage of low costs and services not affordable in the foreign country they were living in previously.
The bottom line is the Philippines needs to change and NOW!!! In my experience since People Power came into existence the Philippines improved only due to the OFW market. There are still so many problems here and many of them are cultural in keeping the Country down. Some are of course political and then there is corruption. All in all the Philippines like most Countries is its own worst enemy. Now If the people take the same attitude they have when going overseas and apply it back here then just watch how things change here for the better.
I certainly will be looking forward to that day.
On a closing (this segment) more positive note, proper training is of course being accomplished here in the Philippines by the smarter companies. In fact, most of the International food chains like Starbucks Coffee provide in depth training to their staff on and ongoing basis. Starbucks may not have the best coffee in the World, but they have without question the most well trained staff I have ever encountered. To be able to remember customer names, drinks, smile, be cheerful (even when they donâ€™t want to) and able to handle any task in the store requires very formal training on behalf of the company and extreme dedication and commitment by the employee. BRAVO to Starbucks and all the stores that get it right and DO UNDERSTAND the importance of excellent customer sales service.
FYI: I am not some spoiled, demanding foreigner that looks down on Filipinos. In fact I live with my wife, son and daughter in one of the poorest Ghettos (by choice) in the Country. I love the Philippines and it hurts me terribly when I have to write as I am doing above. If you hate me for what I write I can live with that but I do it only because I care. But I too am reaching my limits of patience and may decide to move away within a few years after my daughter gets a little older.
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor and stoic philosopher, 121-180 A.D.
The Philippines has the worst brain drain of any country I've ever lived in. Any Filipinos with even the slightest ambition immediately leave this country and never come back. Most of the people that choose to stay here don't give a dam about anything.
The sales staff of most stores can't even answer the most basic product questions after years of working there. You have to know exactly what your looking for when you go to purchase something or the sales staff will give you the wrong information and they don't care either.
Sales staff and receptionists in China are generally fairly useless, especially if they're young.
Receptionists in big buildings are just employed to look pretty.
Then again if you were getting paid $1 an hour you'd probably not put much effort in either.
Well said. If you have to ask them about the product, you might as well sell it to yourself.
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