Dating Middle Class Filipinas?

[davewe]

I was discussing with a friend the 'money' matter, and he told me:
" it is not a 'tradition', it is called 'poverty' " !!! And he continued: " They search for a fool, one man to work, and feed all the family back in their country! "
Quite shocking point of view, but I examine everything, as we do not live in a world of angels.

I don't know, maybe it's a good idea to declare somewhere in the profile, something that some filipinas already say in their profiles, 'not ask for money', or something like that.
May be this could discourage filipinas with this topic in mind, as a primary priority.
It is a different topic what I will decide about it later. But just back off the ones who search primarily for sponsors.

You are too focused on the money issue. Your criteria contradict themselves... you will not find what you are looking for this way. You want:

-A simple, traditional Filipina = tends to not come from a well-to-do family
-A girl who does not require financial support for her family = a financially independent, middle class girl
-A girl who does not want children = almost always an educated woman, almost always a career woman and not traditional

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Sorry, but this money issue is going to bite you in the a**. You won't find a "simple" Filipina girl who has no career, wants to stay at home and be a housewife, when you refuse to give her parents any support and refuse to give her children. This is why you are failing. You will have to look for the higher income Filipinas, or else you will fail. Mark my words.

+1

And since he is not higher income himself, he will not find one of these elusive middle or upper class Pinays. Finding an attractive, youngish Pinay who has a good job and/or money, and is interested in a Westerner who does not have a good job and/or money is like looking for a unicorn.

This is why many men fail abroad. Their requirements are contradictory.

Dave-

You got it. Most western men are so clueless. Given demographics of the country, most pinays are poor.
The middle class is less than 10%, and most are a world into themselves. Then you have Western dorks
Panting after them, when in reality, those girls are out of their class. I mean, really, you do not have to be very up the scale to not worry much if your lovely wife wants to send her mom a couple of hundred bucks every month.

What in the hell is wrong with these clueless nimrods?
Even if you don't have much money, you should be able to man up. If you are that obsessed with not spending money, why in the hell would you be looking for a wife?
Most of these fuc*ers are just looking for a filipina blow up doll. Their hearts are not any place that a pinay, rich or poor, would find a home. I do not mind seeing such men getting ripped off, they deserve it.

Thanks for saying it more directly than I did! "Filipina blow up doll" is exactly right and it sickens me. I have a couple of Filipina friends and even a sister in law who would love to meet a nice Western man, but do I know any? The girls are in most cases too good for the guys. I fixed up one couple (married and about to have a kid) and joke with Janet that we could set up a matchmaking service if only I knew more good Western men.

The problem is not finding a good Filipina!! There are plenty of them. It's finding a deserving Western man; there's not enough of those!

[davewe]

In any case, anybody could set his requirements in a filipina girl that he is interested in, set expectations from the beginning of their contacts,
and then see if she will accept them or not.

It's totally reasonable to establish requirements and set expectations but your requirements sound like a Burger King commercial, "Hold the parents, hold the kids..."

I don't think it much matters, since I doubt you're ever going to get to PI.

[mentor]

In any case, anybody could set his requirements in a filipina girl that he is interested in, set expectations from the beginning of their contacts,
and then see if she will accept them or not.

It's totally reasonable to establish requirements and set expectations but your requirements sound like a Burger King commercial, "Hold the parents, hold the kids..."

I don't think it much matters, since I doubt you're ever going to get to PI.

Set the right expectations from the start, less trouble later.

It is not necessary to visit ph.
I can get tickets to the chosen filipina to visit me.

[davewe]

In any case, anybody could set his requirements in a filipina girl that he is interested in, set expectations from the beginning of their contacts,
and then see if she will accept them or not.

It's totally reasonable to establish requirements and set expectations but your requirements sound like a Burger King commercial, "Hold the parents, hold the kids..."

I don't think it much matters, since I doubt you're ever going to get to PI.

Set the right expectations from the start, less trouble later.

It is not necessary to visit ph.
I can get tickets to the chosen filipina to visit me.

And the hits keep coming

You will never learn the culture without spending time in the Philippines and even getting to know her family. You ask all kinds of questions about what the culture is like and what the women believe in without doing the obvious - visit there.

As to the notion that you will simply buy a plane ticket and she will be on your doorstep - again it's a delusion. The girls don't have passports and getting a tourist Visa to most Western countries is a huge pain.

You ask questions, ignore the answers, which is why I am confident you will never do anything but post on a forum.

Since you now admit you have no desire to even visit the country whose women you are so interested in, commenting further is pointless.

[HappyX10]

Can someone really be as naive and ignorant as mentor. You're not a mentor, you're the pupil. You will be schooled very fast by the type of women that will be "attracted" to the sad game you are playing. At best you will get a 2 and out. Thanks for the green card sucker

[HappyX10]

Can someone really be as naive and ignorant as mentor. You're not a mentor, you're the pupil. You will be schooled very fast by the type of women that will be "attracted" to the sad game you are playing. At best you will get a 2 and out. Thanks for the green card sucker

[mentor]

You said all these against me, but I am thinking that I am just bothering the existing order....

Nobody can force me to do things I do not believe.
There are people who go there to just f@@ck girls, and even ruin them (pregnancy, abortions, sexual abuse, etc). Especially in Asia. Totally unacceptable of course, but they do exist and in vast numbers!
There are people who go all the way the traditional way. Good girl, family, follow all traditions, kids, marriage etc.
And there are others, like me, who want something else, as I described elsewhere. Respect, love, take care, etc, but also I have some conditions to set up. But no! This cannot be accepted here! I should be 'back to order'!

I hoped that we could have an open-minded discussion, and not 'you have to do this otherwise you are jerk' style.
The attack to me here, gives me the impression that anybody should 'agree' and 'accept' specific 'rules' or 'opinions' in order to be an honored member of this community.
It is a pity though.

[davewe]

You said all these against me, but I am thinking that I am just bothering the existing order....

Nobody can force me to do things I do not believe.
There are people who go there to just f@@ck girls, and even ruin them (pregnancy, abortions, sexual abuse, etc). Especially in Asia. Totally unacceptable of course, but they do exist and in vast numbers!
There are people who go all the way the traditional way. Good girl, family, follow all traditions, kids, marriage etc.
And there are others, like me, who want something else, as I described elsewhere. Respect, love, take care, etc, but also I have some conditions to set up. But no! This cannot be accepted here! I should be 'back to order'!

I hoped that we could have an open-minded discussion, and not 'you have to do this otherwise you are jerk' style.
The attack to me here, gives me the impression that anybody should 'agree' and 'accept' specific 'rules' or 'opinions' in order to be an honored member of this community.
It is a pity though.

This wasn't a discussion or debate between people who have similar experiences, since you have none. You asked and wanted answers to specific questions. People who have lived in the Philippines, traveled often to the Philippines, married or had serious relationships with Filipinas all gave you the answers you were asking for (on this and other threads). You choose to ignore the advise. While that is your right of course there no point in having this "open-minded discussion." You have no information to impart about the Philippines and Filipinas, therefore it's a one sided discussion. It's no different from an adult telling a 4 year old child that 2+2 = 4 and having the child scream that it equals 5. No sense in debating.

[HouseMD]

You said all these against me, but I am thinking that I am just bothering the existing order....

Nobody can force me to do things I do not believe.
There are people who go there to just f@@ck girls, and even ruin them (pregnancy, abortions, sexual abuse, etc). Especially in Asia. Totally unacceptable of course, but they do exist and in vast numbers!
There are people who go all the way the traditional way. Good girl, family, follow all traditions, kids, marriage etc.
And there are others, like me, who want something else, as I described elsewhere. Respect, love, take care, etc, but also I have some conditions to set up. But no! This cannot be accepted here! I should be 'back to order'!

I hoped that we could have an open-minded discussion, and not 'you have to do this otherwise you are jerk' style.
The attack to me here, gives me the impression that anybody should 'agree' and 'accept' specific 'rules' or 'opinions' in order to be an honored member of this community.
It is a pity though.

This wasn't a discussion or debate between people who have similar experiences, since you have none. You asked and wanted answers to specific questions. People who have lived in the Philippines, traveled often to the Philippines, married or had serious relationships with Filipinas all gave you the answers you were asking for (on this and other threads). You choose to ignore the advise. While that is your right of course there no point in having this "open-minded discussion." You have no information to impart about the Philippines and Filipinas, therefore it's a one sided discussion. It's no different from an adult telling a 4 year old child that 2+2 = 4 and having the child scream that it equals 5. No sense in debating.

+1

He's mad delusional and doesn't understand the culture at all.

[mentor]

I appreciate the information given here and in other threads. If I thought I knew everything, I would not look here at all. But I know I miss information. How I estimate everything I read, is a matter of personal preference.
I reject the incrimination of alternative tactics and pathways (as mine) and I reject personal attacks.

[HappyX10]

Uhh Mentorless, by chance are you a Mormon or a that Jehovah witness that knocked on my door last month? Seriously have you ever had a relationship with a female since 5th grade? Lastly have you ever had intimate relations with a woman. Sorry I have to ask all pertinent questions

[Johnny1975]

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/dcexperien ... fined.html

[Mr S]

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/dcexperien ... fined.html

That's a pretty good synopsis of the classes in the Philippines, although I think it's a little dated but still relevant.

[Raja]

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/dcexperien ... fined.html

And I would guess most of those getting into the Filipino middle class are getting the C- class in the article. Maybe raised as a B before the family or a just a single member needing support has fallen on hard times

[Dragon]

I appreciate the information given here and in other threads. If I thought I knew everything, I would not look here at all. But I know I miss information. How I estimate everything I read, is a matter of personal preference.
I reject the incrimination of alternative tactics and pathways (as mine) and I reject personal attacks.

This guy is a class A retard. $1 Quadrillion bet that he's going end up flying in a gold-digger/scam artist that will divorce-rape him.