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http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/14 ... n-20111115
Some chafe at life under Vladimir Putin's rule, but for many others, economic limitations are the prime motivator. Experts say the numbers have reached demographically dangerous levels.
Russians line up for visas outside the U.S. Embassy in Moscow. (Sergei L. Loiko / Los Angeles Times)
November 14, 2011|By Sergei L. Loiko, Los Angeles Times
Reporting from Moscow â€” Over a bottle of vodka and a traditional Russian salad of pickles, sausage and potatoes tossed in mayonnaise, a group of friends raised their glasses and wished Igor Irtenyev and his family a happy journey to Israel.
Irtenyev, his wife and daughter insist they will just be away for six months, but the sadness in their eyes on this recent night said otherwise.
A successful Russian poet, Irtenyev says he can no longer breathe freely in his homeland, because "with each passing year, and even with each passing day, there is less and less oxygen around."
"I just can't bear the idea of watching [Vladimir] Putin on television every day for the next 12 years," the 64-year-old said of the Russian leader who has presided over a relatively stable country, though one awash in corruption and increasing limits on personal freedoms. "I may not live that long. I want out now."
Irtenyev and his family have joined a new wave of Russian emigration that some here have called the "Putin decade exodus."
Roughly 1.25 million Russians have left the country in the last 10 years, Sergei Stepashin, head of the national Audit Chamber, told the radio station Echo of Moscow. The chamber tracks migration through tax revenues.
He said the exodus is so large, it's comparable in numbers to the outrush in the wake of the Bolshevik Revolution.
"About as many left the country after 1917," he said.
They don't leave like their predecessors of the Soviet 1970s and '80s, with no intention to return. They don't sell their apartments, dachas and cars. They simply lock the door, go to the airport and quietly leave.
The reasons are varied. Some, like Irtenyev, chafe at life under Putin's rule, which seems all but certain to continue with the prime minister's expected return to the presidency next year. But for many others, economic strictures are the prime motivation. With inflation on the rise, and the country's GDP stuck at an annual 3% growth rate the last three years â€” compared with 7% to 8% before the global economic crisis â€” Russians are feeling pinched.
Russian nuclear physicist Vladimir Alimov, who now works at the University of Toyama in Japan, said he couldn't survive on the $450 monthly salary of a senior researcher at the Institute of Physical Chemistry of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
"Yes, I miss Russia, but as a scientist I couldn't work there with the ancient equipment which had not been replaced or upgraded since the Soviet times," Alimov, 60, said in a phone interview. "Here in Japan, I have fantastic work conditions. I can do the work I enjoy and be appreciated and valued for it, everything I couldn't even dream of back in Russia."
The wave of emigration, which has included large numbers of educated Russians, has grave implications for a country of 142 million with a death rate significantly higher than its birthrate. A study published this year by the Berlin Institute for Population and Development called Russia a waning power and predicted its population would shrink by 15 million by 2030.
Experts believe that 100,000 to 150,000 people now leave the country annually and warn that the exodus reached dangerous dimensions in the last three years.
"People are going abroad for better college education, for better medical help, for better career opportunities, believing they will come back someday, but very few actually do," said Dmitry Oreshkin, a political analyst with the Institute of Geography. "The intellectual potential of the nation is being washed away, as the most mobile, intelligent and active are leaving."
Lev Gudkov, head of Levada, also sees a political dimension. "The worst thing is that people who could have played a key role in the modernization campaign proclaimed by the Kremlin are all leaving," Gudkov said. "But it appears that the Kremlin couldn't care less if the most talented, the most active Russians are emigrating, because their exodus lifts the social and political tension in the country and weakens the opposition."
But Valery Fyodorov, the head of VTsIOM, says the current emigration has very little to do with politics.
"A majority of those who want to leave the country are already quite successful in Russia," Fyodorov said. "They simply want to live even better and try something new."
"However, I must admit that life in Russia has not been really improving in the last three years, and that of course applies pressure and encourages talk of leaving," he said. "But that is much more connected with economic crisis problems and consequences rather than politics."
About 20% of Russians are thinking about leaving the country and trying their luck abroad, according to various Russian polling agencies, from the independent Levada Center to the Kremlin-friendly VTsIOM. Among 18- to 35-year-olds, close to 40% of respondents say they'd like to leave.
One of the few to have returned is computer engineer Alexey Petrov, who came back in 2003 after four years in Argentina. He opened an Internet cafe in Buenos Aires, only to face economic crises there.
Recalling his emigration experience, Petrov, 38, cited the Russian adage "It is good where we are not" and pointed out that the whole world is afflicted with the same economic problems people in Russia are now fleeing.
"Most of the time I was away I was consumed with nostalgia, and it is one thing to be a tourist abroad and quite another to be an alien resident," Petrov said. "Now I know that if you ignore politics and stay away from it, you can lead a normal existence in Russia and be happy with little things life offers to you every day."
But politics can still intrude, with an atmosphere that can sometimes feel threatening. Take a recent day, when thousands of young people wearing the old imperial white, yellow and black flag and carrying extremist and ultranationalist posters marched the streets of Moscow screaming obscenities. Police stood aside.
Even though poet Irtenyev's wife, Alla Bossart, knows she will miss her cozy dacha near Moscow, as a former columnist of Novaya Gazeta she is well aware that in the last 10 years, five of her colleagues, including crusading reporter Anna Politkovskaya, have been killed.
On the morning she left Moscow with her husband and daughter, Bossart had to return from the taxi to her already locked apartment to pick up some things she had forgotten. And then she had to go back again to switch off the light.
As she walked down the steps again, she muttered an old Russian saying under her breath: "It is a bad sign to return."
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor and stoic philosopher, 121-180 A.D.
As usual, another Russia-bashing article that does not take into account other countries' emigration statistics. And just look at the picture- a grim faced cop in a police state checking the documents of desperate Russians standing in line in subzero temperatures in order to go to the US.
100,000-150,000 a year emigrating? That is one in a thousand? One tenth of one percent? Hardly a drove. Anyway, to keep it in perspective- so is just about everyone else! It is called globalization!
You want droves? Go to Manila airport. And statistics? One tenth of Filipinos are now living abroad.
Americans are also leaving. Is it 150,000-300,000 a year? Same percentage as Russians.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/200 ... ng-america
Same in Britain, by the way:
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... he-UK.html
200,000 a year? The percentage is even higher. In the meantime, a huge number of Iranians, Arabs and Pakistanis have moved to the UK to fill in the void.
And look at what is happening in Spain.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... ad-better-
And one of the most popular programs on German TV is Good-bye Deutchland.
http://jonjayray.wordpress.com/2007/09/ ... migrating/
Even Aussies are leaving. 40,000 a year or so. Considering that their country's population is one sixth of Russia, the percentages are even higher.
Here is an interesting, very truthful and a sad article about Canadians ( mainly Chinese Canadians who are going back to China) One of the strange things is that in Canada, if you speak foreign languages it seems to be a liability. The same happened to me in the US and when I worked for Brits in Saudi. Being a polyglot is not only not a plus, but an irritating minus. Strange! I have long suspected and heard about Canada one thing- it is a conservative, wimpy country, multicultural on surface only but deeply racist inside. After the person is naturalized and all, they still call him Chinese and still do not trust him. What hipocricy! Now, let's pretend we are one big happy multicultural family ( as long as you know your place; and now go and mix some noodles for us) I am glad I am not living there.
http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?cont ... 114_104114
Oh, and one more thing- Russia gets 11 million ! work migrants a year. Many of those stay. How come it is not mentioned?
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A brain is a terrible thing to wash!
This is crazy. South Americans and Asians are coming to North America, Americans are going there. Europeans are leaving for Dubai, Arabs are moving to Europe. Feminized, beaten-down Anglo men want to move to Eastern Europe, Polish/Ukranians/Russians want to move to England. Is that the jist of it?
More people need to start moving to Africa. Before China owns all of it.
There was a survey some years ago about the countries where people are friendly to immigrants and want them to come. It turned out that the friendliest ones and the ones who liked foreigners the most were predictably the Philippines and, surprisingly black African countries. Now, S. Africa is a bit of an exception and so is probably Zimbabwe and Namibia, but again, I have not lived there for a long time. But places like Botswana, Gabon, Senegal, Cameroun, the Central African Republic, the Gambia, Benin are very friendly with great people and they apparently love immigrants. One guy I knew lived in C. African Republic and told me he was treated like a king by the locals. And he was a Jewish guy from Mass.
A brain is a terrible thing to wash!