Freedom to Colombia

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

I just opened FB and saw this posted in an expat group. I wanted to post it here as well. From my experience here in Colombia (been here 5 months this year and another 6 months in 2016), it is very hard to join into the social culture here as a foreigner. Not only do you have to speak Spanish fluently, but you have to be on their same wavelength in terms of cultural norms / way of thinking. Just as in America, the normies fit in with everyone, well it's the same thing here. To be honest the women are hot here and the weather is nice here, but it's damn hard to make friends with Colombians as a gringo. Also, there's tons of Venezuelans who migrated (and are still migrating) to CO. Even though they speak Spanish, their culture in Venezuela is still much different than CO. I'm not sure if Colombians readily accept them in their social circles. In summary, unless you have Colombian or Latin ancestry and / or speak Spanish fluently and / or are "all in" on Latin America, then Colombia is just a nice place to visit.

From FB Group:

The true about how the majority of paisas feel about you:

I prefer to post this anonymously since I am colombian (not paisa though) and don’t want paisas hating me . This is what I can tell you having lived in Medellin most of my life and speaking with many many paisas (relatives and friends).

• Paisas don’t really care about you unless you’re one of the few/rare exceptions (you’re probably not), of gringos that get accepted into tight paisas’ social circles (family or friends). Not even other colombians are easily accepted in those groups because those are formed in childhood/school/college. Beware though, since they can fake really well that they care about you but you will only know if they do if you need help from them and can’t give anything in return.

• In accordance with the first point, don’t expect there will be a social unrest asking to protect the foreigners from gangs or from the women that are drugging you left and right. In paisas’ minds if that happens is because “stupid gringos” keep using Tinder and feel like “ballers” that can get women here easily just because you’re a foreigner. Also colombians feel they have more pressing issues to worry about and after decades of brutal violence the news of a gringo getting drugged is not as relevant as you would like to think.

• Paisas only really think about gringos for one reason: gentrification. They’re harvesting ill feelings towards gringos because they believe you made everything be more expensive here, to the extent they feel they can’t afford to live in a good neighborhood in their own city anymore.

• You will never be considered Colombian (unless one of your parents is Colombian, or you look colombian and have lived here many years and speak spanish 100% fluently). But other than that even if you marry a colombian and have kids and live here you will be always be seen as “el gringo”.

• Majority of paisas (specially women) that actively approach you do so because they see you as a walking ATM or as a way to get a green card.

• The majority of “hihg-end” paisas I have talked to think gringos are dumb and uninteresting since they feel the only value you bring to the table is your money. They would rather hang out with europeans or asians since they feel they’re more educated and interesting.

• If you’re a black american you might be mistaken by colombian but in a bad way because many paisas are really racists (they will never accept this though).

• For american women dating long-term in medellin is hard because paisas are generally very traditional and feel you’re “too independent” and “cold” compared to paisas.

In resume they want to get as much money/benefits from you without having to deal with you as much as this is possible without giving the strategy away. Many times is not even because they’re “evil” is just that thousands of them are in survival mode since there are not many opportunities to improve their income situation.

Damn.. I guess the grass isn't greener on the other side. I don't know you should try Spain instead? Columbians tend to be selfish and greedy bastards who only care about making money. They are sociable and friendly, but they are not perfect either. I know because I worked them in the past.

[Lucas88]

I just opened FB and saw this posted in an expat group. I wanted to post it here as well. From my experience here in Colombia (been here 5 months this year and another 6 months in 2016), it is very hard to join into the social culture here as a foreigner. Not only do you have to speak Spanish fluently, but you have to be on their same wavelength in terms of cultural norms / way of thinking. Just as in America, the normies fit in with everyone, well it's the same thing here. To be honest the women are hot here and the weather is nice here, but it's damn hard to make friends with Colombians as a gringo. Also, there's tons of Venezuelans who migrated (and are still migrating) to CO. Even though they speak Spanish, their culture in Venezuela is still much different than CO. I'm not sure if Colombians readily accept them in their social circles. In summary, unless you have Colombian or Latin ancestry and / or speak Spanish fluently and / or are "all in" on Latin America, then Colombia is just a nice place to visit.

From FB Group:

The true about how the majority of paisas feel about you:

I prefer to post this anonymously since I am colombian (not paisa though) and don’t want paisas hating me . This is what I can tell you having lived in Medellin most of my life and speaking with many many paisas (relatives and friends).

• Paisas don’t really care about you unless you’re one of the few/rare exceptions (you’re probably not), of gringos that get accepted into tight paisas’ social circles (family or friends). Not even other colombians are easily accepted in those groups because those are formed in childhood/school/college. Beware though, since they can fake really well that they care about you but you will only know if they do if you need help from them and can’t give anything in return.

• In accordance with the first point, don’t expect there will be a social unrest asking to protect the foreigners from gangs or from the women that are drugging you left and right. In paisas’ minds if that happens is because “stupid gringos” keep using Tinder and feel like “ballers” that can get women here easily just because you’re a foreigner. Also colombians feel they have more pressing issues to worry about and after decades of brutal violence the news of a gringo getting drugged is not as relevant as you would like to think.

• Paisas only really think about gringos for one reason: gentrification. They’re harvesting ill feelings towards gringos because they believe you made everything be more expensive here, to the extent they feel they can’t afford to live in a good neighborhood in their own city anymore.

• You will never be considered Colombian (unless one of your parents is Colombian, or you look colombian and have lived here many years and speak spanish 100% fluently). But other than that even if you marry a colombian and have kids and live here you will be always be seen as “el gringo”.

• Majority of paisas (specially women) that actively approach you do so because they see you as a walking ATM or as a way to get a green card.

• The majority of “hihg-end” paisas I have talked to think gringos are dumb and uninteresting since they feel the only value you bring to the table is your money. They would rather hang out with europeans or asians since they feel they’re more educated and interesting.

• If you’re a black american you might be mistaken by colombian but in a bad way because many paisas are really racists (they will never accept this though).

• For american women dating long-term in medellin is hard because paisas are generally very traditional and feel you’re “too independent” and “cold” compared to paisas.

In resume they want to get as much money/benefits from you without having to deal with you as much as this is possible without giving the strategy away. Many times is not even because they’re “evil” is just that thousands of them are in survival mode since there are not many opportunities to improve their income situation.

I've still never been to Medellín but, whenever I'm in Latin America, I always try to appear as less "gringo" as possible (well, technically I'm not a gringo since I'm European). Integration is the aim. I associate exclusively with locals and avoid interaction with gringos (I dislike most Americans anyway). I speak nothing but Spanish all the time. In Peru, I was integrated into my girlfriend's family. I was therefore frequently treated like a local, not a foreigner. In Mexico, I stayed with friends and was introduced to a broader social circle through them. Wherever you are, you have to have some kind of meaningful ties (marriage, real friendships, community life, etc.) that root you to the host country in order to truly integrate. Obviously, in Latin American countries, fluency in the language is necessary for this. Fortunately, I'm fluent in Spanish since I studied it obsessively and then lived in Hispanic environments for years at a time.

Anyway, I'm not particularly interested in living in Medellín long term. I've heard about the gentrification due to the influx of expats and how many of the locals are pissed off that foreigners are driving up rent prices and making living in a good neighborhood more difficult for them. I don't want to be seen as yet another asshole expat and outsider making life worse for the natives of the city. I'd prefer to live in a smaller and less cosmopolitan city where there are far fewer foreigners and where locals are less likely to treat me with hostility.

Moreover, I would like to live in a place where I'm rarer as a European and therefore more attractive to local women. Medellín seems to be already saturated with Caucasian foreigners due to all of the expats and tourists and so I'd be merely another foreigner among many all competing for the attention of women. I wanna go somewhere where being a European guy turns heads due to the novelty and women pursue me as though I were a rare treasure.

I've been looking at Pereira, Armenia and Bucaramanga as possible alternatives to Medellín.

Fortunately, I'm not really interested in dating "high-end" Paisas. I couldn't care less about their lighter skin or their supposed social status. I much prefer dark-skinned Latinas and mestizas with a more rainforest Indian phenotype anyway. For me, artificial status hierarchies mean nothing. Even if I do get an urge to bang some Paisa barbie with big silicone titties, I'll just hire an escort for $50. But, outside of such curiosity, I'll happily stick to my darker mestizas and mulatas with big butts.

[Lucas88]

Damn.. I guess the grass isn't greener on the other side. I don't know you should try Spain instead? Columbians tend to be selfish and greedy bastards who only care about making money. They are sociable and friendly, but they are not perfect either. I know because I worked them in the past.

Spain is a really nice place to live. It features clean and well-ordered modern cities, cultural sophistication and a laid-back pace of life. Nowadays the economy isn't doing too well (actually it hasn't been doing too well for over 15 years). However, Kangarunner has location-independent income and the cost of living isn't as high as it is in places like the US and UK, so he should be okay in that regard.

In Spain, outside of touristic areas, knowledge of Spanish is a must (you guys have gotta get good at languages). However, as soon as you learn Spanish to a decent level, it becomes relatively easy to integrate.

One thing that I must warn you about Spain is that there is absolutely no "white god" factor. Nobody is going to worship you because you're a White American or Brit. You have no major advantage in the dating market and have to compete with many attractive Spanish and other European men.

Fortunately, in any major Spanish city there are many foreign women from all over Latin America, Eastern Europe and elsewhere. You could probably date some of those foreign women with relative ease. Anecdotally, I met my Peruvian ex-girlfriend in Spain (she was a student studying for her master's degree at the University of Valencia). However, you need to be fluent in Spanish to meet people among these immigrant communities.

[kangarunner]

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[kangarunner]

I just went to this outside restaurant for lunch and got the "menu del dia". I was just minding my own business and the waitress working there with a big Colombian ass wearing tight jeans was cleaning the table in front of me and literally bent over so that her big fat ass was directly in front of my face. She stood there for about 5 seconds and all I could think about was putting my face right in her big ass. Colombian food is tasty but eating ass is even better.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

I just went to this outside restaurant for lunch and got the "menu del dia". I was just minding my own business and the waitress working there with a big Colombian ass wearing tight jeans was cleaning the table in front of me and literally bent over so that her big fat ass was directly in front of my face. She stood there for about 5 seconds and all I could think about was putting my face right in her big ass. Colombian food is tasty but eating ass is even better.

Mmmmm... Colombian ass.

[Lucas88]

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That's what I like about the Spanish-speaking world – you can move to one of the 20 plus countries where Spanish is spoken and learn the language and then easily move to another country and still use the same language if ever you get bored of the first country, encounter problems or simply desire a change.

If you get tired of Colombia and start to crave a new life in a modern and sophisticated European country, you can move to Spain and still be able to communicate perfectly well with the locals. Then, if a few more years down the line you get bored of Spain's excess of civilization, you can move to, say, Mexico and once again enjoy the more wild vibe of the Nuevo Mundo as a completely fluent Hispanophone. Getting tired of the heat? You can up sticks and move to southern or central Chile or some high-altitude city in the Andes. No longer liking the cold? You can come down to the Caribbean and enjoy a hot subtropical climate all year round. So many diverse places to explore speaking a single language.

The situation is similar with Portuguese. You've got various regions of Brazil with vibrant culture and smoking-hot ladies from the modern European cities of the southeast to the semi-lawless regions of the northeast and finally the Amazonian region with its rainforests and the city of Manaus. Each region has its own distinct culture, ethnic composition, climate zone, etc. Then, if ever you want a change from Brazil, you can take your Portuguese and experience a more laid-lack European pace of life in Lisboa or Porto, or if you're feeling adventurous, you can even go to Angola or Mozambique and enjoy all of the big butts!

That's the beauty of making a cultural and linguistic region with many different countries included therein such as Hispanoamerica or the Lusophone world our HA location.

[69ixine]

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That's what I like about the Spanish-speaking world – you can move to one of the 20 plus countries where Spanish is spoken and learn the language and then easily move to another country and still use the same language if ever you get bored of the first country, encounter problems or simply desire a change.

If you get tired of Colombia and start to crave a new life in a modern and sophisticated European country, you can move to Spain and still be able to communicate perfectly well with the locals. Then, if a few more years down the line you get bored of Spain's excess of civilization, you can move to, say, Mexico and once again enjoy the more wild vibe of the Nuevo Mundo as a completely fluent Hispanophone. Getting tired of the heat? You can up sticks and move to southern or central Chile or some high-altitude city in the Andes. No longer liking the cold? You can come down to the Caribbean and enjoy a hot subtropical climate all year round. So many diverse places to explore speaking a single language.

The situation is similar with Portuguese. You've got various regions of Brazil with vibrant culture and smoking-hot ladies from the modern European cities of the southeast to the semi-lawless regions of the northeast and finally the Amazonian region with its rainforests and the city of Manaus. Each region has its own distinct culture, ethnic composition, climate zone, etc. Then, if ever you want a change from Brazil, you can take your Portuguese and experience a more laid-lack European pace of life in Lisboa or Porto, or if you're feeling adventurous, you can even go to Angola or Mozambique and enjoy all of the big butts!

That's the beauty of making a cultural and linguistic region with many different countries included therein such as Hispanoamerica or the Lusophone world our HA location.

speaking of amazonas,this is a great news!

[Lucas88]

speaking of amazonas,this is a great news!

Iquitos has good women with their exotic jungle Indian phenotype and a whole lot of fire and passion!

I'm not sure about whether I want to live in a rainforest city though. I imagine that the heat and humidity will be brutal.

Still, I'd like to visit Iquitos and hit it off with the sultry jungle indiecitas and eat out their tropical pvssies!

[CaptainSkelebob2]

I've been back in the US for over 10 months and can tell everyone here that the majority of this country is a miserable existence. Unless you have some sort of power in America or you love what you do for a living or you have a lot of high quality friends (unlikely for many people), the majority of Americans are on an endless misery treadmill that leads to death.

All of us growing up in America were lied to. The school teachers lied to us. Our parents lied to us because they didn't know any better. Everyone lied to us. The only friends I had who helped me were the people who told me THE HARSH TRUTH. Anyone who doesn't say the truth about life is not your friend.

I think the majority of people in America are robots. At least that's what I see.

There's a spiritual void in this country. Tons of Christian churches but the Christians are not real Christians at all. They're fake and artificial.

The healthcare system is f***ed up.

Another thing is that it seems as if everyone in this country is out to screw over everyone else. If you're a man, then you're in direct competition with every other man.

Everything is overpriced. EVERYTHING. Even when you think you're making enough money to be comfortable, the system figures out a way to screw you over. You can never be truly free in America because of the high costs.

The culture is f***ed up with woke, 100+ gender pronouns, trans this, trans that, what is a woman, what is a man, women have more power than men, and because of this men feel emasculated in society. It's all gone to shit.

The "American Dream" is a big marketing scam. It starts out as a "Dream" and ends with "You're Fukked".

I now despise Americans at this point in my life and I never talk to them or associate with them when I go abroad.

I was in Las Vegas and did enjoy it there. But other than the Strip which is fun, the locals in Vegas stay in their cliques.

Finally now on Jan 14, I will get on a plane out of this black hole and finally experience real freedom.

I will post photos here when I get to Colombia....

Great post bro!

I live in Miami and it's okay I supposed, but you're right, America is quite soulless and a real rat race and I've started to long for a more relaxed pace of life. Most Americans are douchebags too. They might act friendly with their plastic smiles but make no mistake about it. America is all business and competition. They'll stab you as soon as you show them your back!

Miami has some good tale. The foreign born latinas are hot and fun. Not so much the US born americunts.

I'm thinking of latin america. Maybe Colombia or Brazil.

Thanks for the post. I'll check out the videos too.

[kangarunner]

I hate that country and I always will. I made this because my entire life story is about getting lucky and getting to a place of freedom that I never had in America. Americans are not loving people, they're not kind people, they're not nice people. They're selfish, awful, nasty people.

[kangarunner]

I f***ing LOVE COLOMBIA. I LOVE NOT BEING IN AMERICA WITH ALL THE ROBOT, CLONE-LIKE PEOPLE.

[Moretorque]

I f***ing LOVE COLOMBIA. I LOVE NOT BEING IN AMERICA WITH ALL THE ROBOT, CLONE-LIKE PEOPLE.

The guy in the video is a girl...Who is it, I would like a date..

[Cornfed]

I f***ing LOVE COLOMBIA. I LOVE NOT BEING IN AMERICA WITH ALL THE ROBOT, CLONE-LIKE PEOPLE.

This looks like some kind of "gym fail" parody video.

[kangarunner]

I'm really happy living abroad. I love the freedom of living abroad outside of America. It just seems that the culture here in Colombia is so much more sane and normal than America. I'm really happy to be here.