designer wrote:More of your usual Bullshite I see
The only "messed up logic" is your inability to see a pattern of behavior that is consistent among women collectively. To answer some of your questions. YES many women supposedly apply themselves (Or rather are put in) to "top universities". However many women will tell you that their main desire is to make money. The point of their journey through higher education is dedicated to obtaining money. Education represents nothing greater to them other than status and money. They follow the rules and do what they are told. Few women step outside of that paradigm. As for your bullshite comment about men being more materialistic. That is utter nonsense. As someone who has worked in marketing in new York and London I can tell you that 95% of consumer products are geared towards women. Women are clearly the top consumers in a range of different areas. They are also the most important demographic in the areas of political and social media. Women will buy anything and they (as a result of the disenfranchisement of men) are now an emerging market. As for my incorrect logic related to associating civil unrest with women. Let me make it clear to you that in no way, shape or form shall you have blatant economic, political and social inequality for young men in this country without a violent response. There is no way that all of the universities and their graduates will consist primarily of women and few to no men. There is no way that most men will be homeless while women drive about in BMW's and live in mansions. They are the enemy and are being written into history as so as this system of gross degradation, depreciation and social exclusion of men continues. Unlike you I can connect the dots and I see how each situation is interrelated to the next. they are not isolate. Every institution reinforces the next. There are reasons for why women are being pushed right now. It has absolutely nothing to do 'equality', it has to do with disabling a specific type of process that resides mainly within men. To assess and to analyze situations and to logically react to them. Like this phoney election. Its all about 'the women', why? because Lord Obama knows that he can rally women at his beck and call whenever he feels like it. They are his stormtroopers and they will do whatever he says. They are mindless and will do anything to protect their privilege. Women function as robots, extensions of this system. They are obedient and they follow the rules. They rarely ever get out of line and if they do it is only in their own interest. Women could careless about the issues that concern men. If you are so blind to the blatant levels of male suicide, almost genocidal rates of black male incarceration, the absolutely raving almost 3rd world levels of child poverty in the usa, male cviolent crime victims, male homeless rate, lack of male representation in universities, the lack of male graduates in universities and highschools. Then you are out of your f***ing mind. You sit and watch Romeny and Obama stand around for 2 hours and talk about 'The Women' and who some lesbians can marry and not one ofthose low lifes addressed some of these serious issues facing Men and Children. Then all I can say is f**k You M8. And yes there will be civil unrest and perhaps civil war because any system that is this unjust needs to be dismantled. Many Men will not stand by and allow themselves to be enslaved. Not by mangina scumbags like yourself, nor these nazi inspired feminists. The usa is a consumer society. A consumer society revolves around women because women are the greatest consumers. The corporate, medical and universities go to whoever has the money. In the usa, women have the money and the influence. This is matriarchal society in which men suffer badly. There WILL be War over this is it does not cease. However it shall not end because those who have much to benefit from a system like this shall protect it. America sucks because of people like you. Losers who are so blind to the reality of what is going on. All you know is how to react and to protect this crap. You are so programmed it isn't even funny. Liberal Arts bullshite. And back to women programmers. No, they suck. Just because you know of One 'good' programmer, that means absolutely nothing. Women program for profit. Why was Steve jobs a man? Would a woman have dedicated her time to sitting in a garage with others to develop a new process or system? Without a clear vision of how that newly developed device/process could benefit her financially. The risk would be too high for a woman. Women seek money. if there is no clear pot of gold at the end of the rainbow they wont even begin to hike towards it. A Man will because his dedication may be firmly set in something other than financial. Some men genuinely want to make the world a better place. Why is it that the rates of female college enrollment have increased to surpass men, yet collectively academic standards have fallen dramatically?
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Screw you man and your bullshite Mangina comments. You wanna go head to head with me m8? Let's rumble muther. Its about time someone set you straight. I was at Oberlin college dude. Ivy league and some other world known universities too. And Yeah, I do work in development and some other areas. If i told you with who it would make you eat your ignorant words. In fact you may have seen some of my work before. Let's just say I am associated with Steve in a way. And YES women are given perks for being women in the form of enforced quotas. Many did not earn their place in any given setting. They were PUT in. Yet (skilled) black males are systematically excluded in industry despite that group being the absolutely most disenfranchised and one of the most impoverished in the entire usa. You want to talk liberal bullshite okay, I will hit you up with some real material about inequality. And it doesnt revolve around any women.
I know your game son. You do not have the intellectual edge over me, nor will you play games with me. I know all of the tricks of the trade and f*ck you up with pure Fact. Get the hell out of here with your bullshite mainstream extremist liberal nonesense.
You know mate, it's OK to be someone else in an anonymous place in cyberspace, hide behind a self-righteous forum persona to vent all of your frustrations against the world, society, and why not, women. At least you should try and be consistent with it. In some of your old posts, which I cannot be bothered to dig out, I clearly remember you moaning about being an unemployed designer without a degree, bitter about the state of working class women somewhere in northern England.
Now a big reset, and you're an Ivy league graduate who has worked in London and NYC and has been associated to Steve (Jobs, I suppose). And claiming to have an edge on me, who have been working in IT and commercial software development for more than 15 years and have directly worked with more women, some smart some dumb, than you probably met in your entire life. I honestly thought you were one of the better poster in terms of a balanced, polite discussion, but apparently you forgot your medication today, and you sound like any All That Is Man, or Peter Nolan, salivating on sexist stereotypes and baseless statements about society and the academic world, and laying random insults.
I frankly don't give a damn about the Obama vs Romney political cock fight, as I know as well as you do that it's just a dog & pony show put up to keep the polarised (or polarisable) electorate happy with the idea that the democratic two-party system is alive and kicking. USA as a society is in terminal decline, much like Japan, only without the traditional social cohesion that is still strong with the Japanese people. The levels of materialism and dehumanised consumerism are shocking even to a "liberal" (as you label me) like me. That's stuff I remember writing in detail, as a reply to one of your posts nonetheless. If you are trying to argue things like these with me, you're smashing an open door.
What I simply can't accept in your train of thought is that you seem to put women on top of the evil pyramid and deem them the prime movers of all the shite that's going on in the world. When in fact, as I said before, they are equally victims, equally manipulated by the status quo. Their status as power consumers is leveraged and directed towards the same mechanism of desires and consumption, just like men. I wouldn't say 95% of the consumer goods are meant for women, I would say women make for a better, more manipulable consumer demographic because of their natural desire to look good, compete with their peers on aesthetic statements and follow fashion and glamour like sheeple. The marketing and advertising industry have simply re-engineered their messages to target women because they are more vulnerable. Yes, agreed. Yet, more and more status symbols are now unisex, even those traditionally associated with men like cars and electronic gadgets, as you mention. So if a man shows off his new luxury golf set, or his flashy sports car, that's OK because "boys will be boys". If a woman does the same, all she passes for is a materialistic bitch. What kind of logic is this?
Equally, I can't accept your statement about women being in university only for money, while men are only motivated by higher intellectual purposes. Suffice to say your following post contains an article that exposes American universities as steeped in military-grade camaraderie and all about cheap excitement and group intoxication. Maybe sororities also have those rituals and entitled skanks from families of ancient wealth. Yet it is a fact that, despite all the general dumbing down of the education systems worldwide, it's women who score better than men. And with more and more young women who enter academia to stay and flourish in it, wouldn't that be a case where it's women who are less interested in commercial exploitation of their research output, compared to men?
Granted, some women are in for profit, probably on a lesser extent than men, yet they still are in for it. And so what's the problem?
And why all this fuss about Steve Jobs anyway. Now acclaimed as a messiah of consumer electronics, Steve Jobs was only able to steal a few ideas here and there and use his talented team of designers and a horde of obedient Chinese product engineers to give Apple an unprecedented brand status. He didn't invent anything. He didn't envision anything. All he actually did is apply his unortodox, bullying and capricious management style to refine his product ideas to perfection. A few days after the death of Jesus Jobs, Dennis Ritchie, inventor of C, was also found dead. Not a decent mention on the mainstream press, for somebody who truly shaped the software industry forever. Oh but to you that's yet another one of those evil woman conspiracies, isn't it?
You are deluded, man. Just like Cornfed above, you guys seem to be locked in some sort of romantic idea of men being the sole torch bearers of civilisation, whether from a moral, intellectual or social standpoint. Funny how you reverse that famous "behind a great man there's always a great woman" saying into "if he's a bad man, it must be because of the bad women behind him". There are plenty of bad men and plenty of bad women, and a plethora of reasons why they turned out like that. If though you can't see the beauty in people, boys and girls alike, because of the shield of hatred and mistrust that you built for yourselves, it's entirely your loss. Mankind will continue unabated in their path of development, or self-destruction, totally oblivious of a few of us little men behind a keyboard.
And another thing about your desire for violent change: easy to say that from the comfort of an anonymous account and a PC screen. When those radical moments come, your paranoias and fabricated world won't save you from reality. Or maybe yes, somebody might save you. Mind you, it could be a woman.
I may be ignorant about the human condition (albeit I'm unsure what amazing life experience makes you think you have such an edge over me and many other adult posters here), but if there's one thing I know very well, that's the software engineering industry. Women are a minority in this industry, it's a fact. Some of them are mediocre to bad, granted, but that also applies to male developers in a similar percentage. There is nothing an intelligent, motivated woman software engineering can't to compared to her male counterpart, there's no evidence of the contrary, apart from some raunchy humour people - even myself - like to pull out for lunchtime break laughs. The only bias I have noticed is that women do tend to be slightly less ambitious than men, if anything because they don't feel the pressure of to strive to improve their skillsets in order to get promotions and/or pay rises.
