Why are white expats in Taiwan leaving for the Philippines?

[Winston]

winston why aren't you dating the filipina and indonesian maids and factory workers?

Because I have no way of meeting them and plus they work everyday and have no freedom and also they tend to be below average. I knew one Indonesian cutie who I liked but she got married.

[Winston]

Update:

Guess what guys? I was just in taichung today. On my way back, at the bus station I saw a tall athletic looking white guy with long hair approaching girls at the train station trying to chat them up.

Every girl he approached leaned away from him as though they didn't want to talk to him and were trying to keep the conversation short. After a while he gave up and sat down in the waiting area.

How do you all explain that? It appears that Taiwan isn't easy for young athletic white guys either. No wonder why most white guys have left Taiwan and many went to the Philippines too. You don't see as many white guys in Taiwan nowadays.

Another update:

You can add rock to the list of expats who fled Taiwan to the Philippines now. He told me he's given up on Taiwan and has a lot more fun and better dating life in the Philippines. I guess nothing beats the Philippines now. Lol

And this fact also validates what I said about Taiwan all along.

What did I say? You don't freaking cold approach girls on the street in Taiwan. It's against their cultural value to be receptive to random strangers. Completely disregarding the cultural difference and trying to run the western game here will only run you into a wall. Like I said, get to know girls through friends and social circles, and watch these girls open up.

Quit beating a dead horse. And what you said above pretty much described all North-eastern Asia (save some parts of China). If you think Taiwanese girls are like that, then boy wait till you go to South Korea and Japan.

Well rock told me for years that cold approach was easy in Taiwan and he had great success with it and so did almost every guy he knew.

I know now that he was twisting the truth and playing devils advocate to try to make me look and feel bad and confuse me. I've caught him red handed doing this about a number of things, to my disappointment. It's no longer a theory, I'm absolutely certain of it and that it's done deliberately, sometimes just for fun or to prove others wrong.

So you gotta learn to take everything he says with a grain of salt since he sometimes will twist the truth for his own hidden agenda.

What I've learned sadly is that not all guys here are lovers of truth and knowledge. Some like to play head games and brag and b.s. and show off to make themselves look big, or put down others to bully them. It's very toxic.

I had assumed that every man here had a philosophers soul and loved truth. I guess I was wrong. It's a fallacy to assume that others are the same as yourself, and sometimes I make that fallacy too.

Regardless, I can't accept this facet of Taiwanese culture and that you have to act super innocent. Cold approaching girls is something I need to be happy. So I guess I'm way too incompatible with Taiwan.

[MrBlueLight]

Let's put it this way, if you want to cold approach in Taiwan, you better be young and good looking, and accept the fact that only bottom-tier desperate girls will be receptive to your approach. I would always take any white expats' reported experiences in Asia with a grain of salt. Through their yellow fever goggles (or what they would call difference in perception of beauty), any of these white expats are hitting on girls that are judged as bottom-tier by the locals. Their 7s and 8s might be what the locals consider as 3s and 4s - girls devoid of attention from local men, so of course they are going to feel that a particular place is "easy". It would be like foreigners coming to America with "fat fever" would feel like the king too.

I put Taiwan in the same train as Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Singapore (Chinese Singaporean only). "Normal" girls from these places are not receptive to cold approach, but social circle is the name of the game.

[hammanta]

I put Taiwan in the same train as Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Singapore (Chinese Singaporean only). "Normal" girls from these places are not receptive to cold approach, but social circle is the name of the game.

I've been saying this awhile but no one seems to listen. Though I've never been to the aforementioned countries, I've heard and read that most relationships start from work and/or through friends. I don't think the girls are completely against dating foreigners, it's just a matter of getting in. That's one reason I could never work from home when abroad because of the lack of available connections. Being extroverted is another positive characteristic that I think one must have to be successful in more closed societies.

[The_Adventurer]

Dude, how long ago was Rock there? I see no reason to doubt that Taiwan may have been good for foreigners 10 - 15 years ago. Places change! Look at what Japan was like in the 80s and 90s, with the whole Charisma Man phenomenon. Japan definitely is nothing like that now.

A time may come when foreigners won't get the time of day in PI.

[chanta76]

Place like South Korea, Japan , Tawian and Singapore have what in common? They are all economic developed Asian countries. The Asian girls in those countries have choices. On top of that the Asian guys in those countries sometimes make more money than western guys do. Saying that in those countries it's not uncommon for the local Asain men to travel to the Philippines, Thailand or Vietnam to look for wives!!

Cold approach doesn't usually work in those countries unless if your really good looking and have great game. Language plays a big role too..so if you don't speak the native language there it doesn't help much.

10 years ago being a white guy was a novelity thing and there was some Asian girls in those countries that would of been interested...but nowadays because over saturation of western guys in those countries that even cold approaches in the club doesn't work..In other words just being white doesn't cut it anymore. If your old it's also a disadvantage..again this is develop Asian countries..

Ideal you have to be young(under30 something) good looking and decent personality. With at least some future going for you(like business or career) . In other words it's become like AMERICA.

In those countries you can try cold approaches in the clubs and bars but its not too different from the clubs and bars in America...this applies to both Asia American guy experience and the whtie guy experience that I observed.

Come on in all places like Japan they had PUA boot camp.

[chanta76]

I think some guys here want to find that fantasy country where you show up and girls fall on your lap. With no effort on your part. It's like no one wants to improve themselves..in the real world it doesn't work like that.

[MrBlueLight]

Dude, how long ago was Rock there? I see no reason to doubt that Taiwan may have been good for foreigners 10 - 15 years ago. Places change! Look at what Japan was like in the 80s and 90s, with the whole Charisma Man phenomenon. Japan definitely is nothing like that now.

A time may come when foreigners won't get the time of day in PI.

Upper-middle class Filipinas already don't give foreigners the time of day. It is the majority lower class girls who run to foreigners hoping to escape from their miseries.

[chanta76]

So MrBluelight are those girls your getting in the Philippines ?

I mean if you were in Taiwan getting 2 dates a day...why oh why did you go the Philippines? It's like trading a new BMW for a beat up old volkswagon.

[Billy]

chanta, maybe we can use the car metaphor. When NE girls are BMW then phil girls are what?

well I don´t think they are used volkswagen but maybe a mix between trikes, tuktuks and go kart. I mean the easiness, cheapness and practicality plus fun makes it interesting.

SEA is mostly cheaper and more fake but it´s easier. Now for older guys it´s the last option but I think it is still fun for younger guys. Also I prefer whites and latina girls if I would be young again I would go to asia to experience the easiness of getting nice girls. Most guys when they are young are to proud and without money to go to SEA but if you look at it practically it´s better.

When I was young I could buy a used BMW cabriole for 2k Euro. But I didn´t do it I want to save the money for later as it will buy me freedom. At that time I drove fiat afterwards I had no car. Even if the phil girls are used volkswagen they are cheaper and maybe more practical for a guy who doesn´t have the money for expensive cars.

[MrBlueLight]

So MrBluelight are those girls your getting in the Philippines ?

I mean if you were in Taiwan getting 2 dates a day...why oh why did you go the Philippines? It's like trading a new BMW for a beat up old volkswagon.

Because:
1) I already been to Taiwan. I wanted to go to a place I haven't experienced before.
2) I am actually getting about the same amount of interest from both places. The big difference is conversion from date to bed. In PI, I bang well over half of the girls I date, usually on the first date. In Taiwan, I rarely bang a girl before Date 3, if at all. In fact, I go on more dates in Taiwan, yet bang more girls in the PI. You do the math.
3) Believe it or not, the typical online girls I meet in PI are hotter than the typical online girls I meet in Taiwan. The truly hot Taiwanese girls will not be found online, whereas some truly hot Pinays (models and beauty queens) can be found online. Because a typical Taiwanese 7 have multiple men in her life courting her and buying her gifts, but a typical Pinay 7 is poor and doesn't want to date equally poor Pinoys.
4) The same amount of money that gets me a nice condo with swimming pools and 24 hour security will only get me a rundown flat in Taiwan.

[newlifeinphilippines]

I think some guys here want to find that fantasy country where you show up and girls fall on your lap. With no effort on your part. It's like no one wants to improve themselves..in the real world it doesn't work like that.

you sound so bitter about marriage to your korean girl lol. Im curious though is your wifes sex drive slow? Would you advocate marriage to korean woman?

[chanta76]

Newlifephilippines,

I'm actually trying to help you out. If all the Mr.Bluelights were in the Philippines where do guys like newlifephilippines go?

Regarding my marriage . It's my wife that has higher sex drive than I do. Believe it or not. It's the responsibility and economics and being the leader is the tough part. But I don't think a guy like you will every experience marriage. I mean come on if you struck out in the Philippines you have no hope. And I mean this as no offense.

[newlifeinphilippines]

Newlifephilippines,

I'm actually trying to help you out. If all the Mr.Bluelights were in the Philippines where do guys like newlifephilippines go?

Regarding my marriage . It's my wife that has higher sex drive than I do. Believe it or not. It's the responsibility and economics and being the leader is the tough part. But I don't think a guy like you will every experience marriage. I mean come on if you struck out in the Philippines you have no hope. And I mean this as no offense.

Well thats pretty insulting to say but my standards are much higher for WIFE material than everyone else here. Im not gonna settle for marriage with a slut, catholic, or average looking woman for a wife so there goes most of the country. also you have to live in philippines to look for a wife which i never did, a semi long vacation is not living. Otherwise its a huge gamble and most guys that met their wife either got very lucky and aren't that picky. Heck just on the religion issue alone ive eliminated 95 percent of filipinas for marriage. Throw in someone im attracted to alot and were less than 1 percent. Throw in someone i really click wise personality and were probably down to 1 out of 200. How many are single? Probably almost none. So Finding them on the dating site? Unlikely. Finding them in church? Not so easy. Id probably get struck by lightning before I find a girl that is single and worthy of marriage to me.


I never was looking for a wife. But if i ever go back that would be my end game otherwise its just a waste and alot of risk. maybe im not fit for marriage anyways cause of finances and cause of other issues at hand like im not sure if i want to have kids and i got some emotional issues to work out either way im just gonna grow as a person with or without a woman thats more important for me at this point. Im more concerned about eternity not this foolish women chasing.

[chanta76]

Newlifephilippines,

Your like walking contradiction. You claim you make $20 K a month on some internet business maybe you do and maybe you don't but $20K is plenty to raise a family so I have no idea how economic would be an issue . Unless your lying. I even asked you a couple of time in what you do. Just because I ask doesn't mean I would or someone else would be able to steal or copy what you do. I mean you don't want to divulge which is your prerogative but it makes me suspicious in what you claim.

Many of your threads revolve around a women or even Philippine women along those lines. . You went to the Philippines and it seems to me you have this bitterness because it didn't work out. And realize it's ALLOT HARDER TO FIND SOMEONE.

I never met you so I don;t know what kind of person you really are. Sometimes people have this internet persona. But in some ways I kind of feel sorry for you. Again I don't mean to be insulting. Many posters that come to happierabroad have some mental issues For me it was growing up in America and dealing with American racism that left me bitter and angry.

I think for you. Your not that far apart form that but throw in loneliness and some other complex. It's like your searching for this ideal perfect woman that would be a slave to you..good luck in finding that..because it's just an ideal.