Winston in China! Updates and Photos

[Yohan]

I think, Winston is still looking out for replacement, I wonder his next destination... after Russian girls, Philippines girls, Chinese girls, who will be the next...

My guess is, he'll stick with Chinese chicks for a little longer. They will come and go, he'll get his heart broken a few more times...

My guess is he will move on, maybe looking out for Desi girls somewhere in India, Nepal or Sri Lanka?

As a fact, there is almost no information about Indian women in HappierAbroad Forum, I wonder why? This wide area of Asia covers over 1 billion people.

[The_Adventurer]

The gender ratio is so badly skewed in the Philippines that filipinas are easy. If you just go about your business, something will fall into your lap.

Contrary to the claims of some, it doesn't happen instantly. I would say, though, about three to four months in, girls at the stores, markets and restaurants we frequented would be very upfront about their feelings. In one case, a girl at the convenience store down the block had her friend come up to me and say, "My friend wanted me to tell you that she is in love with you." Something similar happened at the SM Supermarket with the checkout girl that I would see and make small talk with every time I buy groceries. When I wasn't around, my American friend asked her if she was interested in me and she flat out said yes.

I think time is an important factor in this, though. You are not some foreigner who shows up and then disappears. It is evident you are there to stay.

[momopi]

Announcement:

Hi all,
Part 3 of my China photo album is now ready. It contains more than 700 images of nice scenic sites around Zhuhai, Zhongsan and Macau. Hope you find them interesting. To view all thumbnails on a single page, click "All" above the album.

Winston's 1st Trip to China - Part 3 Zhuhai, Zhongsan, Macau
https://happierabroad.shutterfly.com/pictures/1423

What camera are you using for the photos ?

I used my smart phone and portable camera. The albums combine images from both. I mentioned this before. Why do you ask? I set my camera images on 2 megapixel so the images don't take up too much space, since I take thousands of pictures. How do you like my China albums so far?

2 mp? What is the max size memory card your camera will take?

[droid]

In one case, a girl at the convenience store down the block had her friend come up to me and say, "My friend wanted me to tell you that she is in love with you."

+1 Nice
(somebody has to do the +1's since jester is not around)

[Winston]

Dang man. You guys are jumping the gun here. You guys are way too pessimistic and gloomy. And your comments are lame and dumb and unwarranted.

Marcos, despite what Lisa did, we still had a soulmate connection for months. If you see our chat history, you would see that. That's something very rare and special, beyond words. Maybe you've never had a soulmate so you can't understand that.

At least with Lisa, it was a genuine relationship. She was intelligent and helped pay for stuff. Filipinas don't do that. Marcos, I'll bet you that Lisa is way smarter than your Filipina wife. Dating a FIlipina doesn't feel genuine. They use you and leech off of you shamelessly. The relationship feels economically motivated.

Rock, yeah you are right. Middle class Filipinas are very snobby and not easy to get at all. And that goes for any Filipina who has any money, not just the middle class ones. But in China, I can date normal girls with money who will occasionally treat, and who have normal intelligence and education too. That's the big difference.

Plus, here in Shenzhen, 80 to 90 percent of the girls are hot, attractive, cute or doable. But in Philippines that percentage is only 5 percent. That's a HUGE difference.

Yohan, are you STUPID or something? Why would I need to move on from China? I have a new girlfriend in Shenzhen now, remember? Plus on dating sites, I get a HIGH response rate from Chinese women, so my potential here is still VERY GOOD. So why are you implying that I ought to try other countries for dating now, when all the data indicates that China is still a very good prospect for me? Why don't you try to say something positive for once? Why do all your comments about China have to be NEGATIVE? Geez. Why don't you bring some balance into your viewpoints?

Why so many dumb comments today? Why the lack of understanding?

[Winston]

Btw all, zboy1 has found a serious girlfriend and is considering marrying her. And ethan_sg is in guangzhou now with his new sweetheart whom he says is very feminine and brings out the knight in shining armor in him. So i guess china is a dating paradise for asian americans.

Btw, here is an interesting interestingcomparison of guangzhou and shenzhen that ethan_sg wrote to our wechat group:

Ethan_sg:

"Guangzhou is a city with much more soul than Shenzhen. Shenzhen is soulful compared to Singapore, but it can't compare with Guangzhou. Shenzhen is more like a place to work but Guangzhou is more like a place to live. There is probably a higher percentage of career women in Shenzhen than Guangzhou. Guangzhou tends to possess more of the softer, family oriented types. The parks in Guangzhou put those in Shenzhen to shame. Despite being a more traditional city than Shenzhen, Guangzhou appears to be more international than Shenzhen. Some parts of Shenzhen are designed in an overly pragmatic and utilitarian fashion. While Shenzhen is the more efficiently designed of the 2 and almost certainly has a better subway system , Guangzhou possesses a greater sense of communality and soul. Shenzhen tends to strike me as a place designed pragmatically for Chinese to work , a place that merely serves as a means to an end. Guangzhou feels more like a place to live, an end in itself. If you like efficiency, Shenzhen is probably the number one city for that in China. But Guangzhou has more soul. The pearl river which encircles much of the city center seems to be the center for communal activities such as picnics and outdoor singing, slowing down the pace of life, and soothing the people's souls"

I guess guangzhou is a better place to live then.

[Winston]

Well Marcos,
You are an exception then. But that's not what 90+ percent of expats in the Philippines experience, including the other guys in the forum. I am skeptical of your claims about your wife and her family. Can we see photos of them or some evidence? You could be making all this up and we'd never know. It sounds implausible though. A Filipino who majored in philosophy? Yeah right. That would be very rare.

I'm just speaking of my experiences. And if the majority of expats say they have the same experience, then it's valid and real. Anyone here who has been to the Philippines reports the same thing. So what I say is very true and real, and your experiences do not discredit that in any way. The truth is the truth. Filipinos do not like to pay for stuff. That's a fact. I have thousands of examples as proof, and so does everyone else here. You can ask experts like Mr S or Ladislav who have spent many years in the Philippines. They will easily say that all I say is true, as true as 2+2=4. No one debates it except you.

[Rock]

I got to know a girl a couple months ago who graduated from UP Dillman. She's bright, tall, attractive, and drives a late model SUV. She is from a business owning family (Winston, I can send you her photos on wechat group but keep private). But UP Dilman is one of top academic institutions in Philippines. It doesn't exactly contain your garden variety local.

I agree w/Winston however that less than 5% of girls you see in Phlippines are attractive (IMO). Metro Manila by far has the largest concentration so once you get out in the provinces, the number falls to even noticeably lower levels.

But as for Shenzhen, it's much lower for me than it is for Winston cus so many are too skinny and/or too short.

Yes, many Filipinos (but far from all) tend to believe foreigners (Asians, whites, even black Africans) should be the treaters and behave accordingly by opportunistically leeching lol.

But, when I've visited people's homes, more often than not, I was the one being treated to food and drink.

BTW Winston, do you remember my Taiwanese friend from the Bay Area? She was in Metro Manila for business a few months ago and invited me out with her Filipino classmate (they studied together in Europe). We went up to Gramercy 71 (the place you are afraid to go near the edge cus it's so high lol) and had a big dinner plus drinks. When the check came, it was well over 4,000 Pesos. Guess who insisted on paying the whole bill??? It was her classmate who by the way looks pure Malay. Yep he treated us to everything. And yes, while he has a very good job, drives a decent car, etc. he's not rich or anything like that.

[Yohan]

Yohan, are you STUPID or something? Why would I need to move on from China? I have a new girlfriend in Shenzhen now, remember? Plus on dating sites, I get a HIGH response rate from Chinese women, so my potential here is still VERY GOOD. So why are you implying that I ought to try other countries for dating now, when all the data indicates that China is still a very good prospect for me? Why don't you try to say something positive for once? Why do all your comments about China have to be NEGATIVE? Geez. Why don't you bring some balance into your viewpoints?
Why so many dumb comments today? Why the lack of understanding?

Why is my comment STUPID?

What you write now about China, you wrote a few years back about Philippines, I also remember some comments from you about wonderful Russian girls...

It's not really 'negative' what I said about you - but I said I expect you will move on sooner or later to some other countries and try out girls over there - the question is only which countries? India? Why not? This forum does not provide much information about a wide area with over 1 billion people.

Different people have different opinions. Why shall I write something positive about China in general, if I see nothing really positive with this country? I see no reason why I should 'balance' (balance = self-censorship?) my viewpoints.

Keep in mind, I am not a Chinese, I see China as an outsider, not as an insider. My acceptance criteria are about what fits me best and not what fits an overseas Chinese best.

As I said before, if I had to choose between China or USA, I will choose USA any time. I would also prefer EU, Japan, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia and even Cambodia to China. I see absolutely nothing which is attractive for me about the People's Republic of China.

[smallcheese]

Well Marcos,
You are an exception then. But that's not what 90+ percent of expats in the Philippines experience, including the other guys in the forum. I am skeptical of your claims about your wife and her family. Can we see photos of them or some evidence? You could be making all this up and we'd never know.

I don't have to prove anything, but here's my wife and me at the campus of University of the Philippines Diliman in Quezon City. I know you have a great fondness for bar girls, but this is what a high quality and educated Filipina looks like. I will be removing the picture shortly.

She graduated earlier this year. With a baby. Pretty impressive if you ask me, and she was back into shape very quickly too.

Congratulations Marcos!!! You have a beautiful wife and daughter. I'm sure you must be very happy and proud of them!

I myself am married to a beautiful Filipina. Not only does she have a degree in secondary education teaching English (she currently teaches English at the college level) but she will attain her master's degree soon too. She was a beauty pageant winner in the past and also earned extra money in college, modelling for photo shoots.

Beauty and brains together with more traditional family-focused values in a Filipina? Marcos and I are one of many, many examples of how it is very possible, contrary to anything that Winston says. But you have to start looking in the right places first.

The problem with Winston is that he wasn't looking for higher quality, educated women in the Philippines when he was there. Chasing low hanging fruit like bar girls in Angeles City is not what most men would consider high quality, educated women. Even if he tried though, I don't think higher quality Filipinas would be interested in someone like Winston. And yet, given his very limited experience with high quality, highly educated women, Winston chooses to disparage all Filipinas in one fell swoop.

Winston was lucky though that he had a son with a Filipina who is responsible and loving towards their son. Though she may not be highly educated, I think Dianne has much higher qualities to admire than Winston.

As I said in another thread, Winston's problems in life can be traced to his bad karma. I have no idea how much negative karma he's generated over his lifetime but I imagine it must be a lot. Much more than even what we've read about on this forum. Hence all of the problems and issues that Winston suffers through daily. Simply praying and chanting won't change Winston's karma. He needs to change it through his actions, which need to be positive and he needs to have a lot more of them. But based on what we're seeing to date, I don't think life will get any better for him in the long run. Only time will tell.

[smallcheese]

Yohan, are you STUPID or something? Why would I need to move on from China? I have a new girlfriend in Shenzhen now, remember? Plus on dating sites, I get a HIGH response rate from Chinese women, so my potential here is still VERY GOOD. So why are you implying that I ought to try other countries for dating now, when all the data indicates that China is still a very good prospect for me? Why don't you try to say something positive for once? Why do all your comments about China have to be NEGATIVE? Geez. Why don't you bring some balance into your viewpoints?
Why so many dumb comments today? Why the lack of understanding?

Why is my comment STUPID?

What you write now about China, you wrote a few years back about Philippines, I also remember some comments from you about wonderful Russian girls...

It's not really 'negative' what I said about you - but I said I expect you will move on sooner or later to some other countries and try out girls over there - the question is only which countries? India? Why not? This forum does not provide much information about a wide area with over 1 billion people.

Different people have different opinions. Why shall I write something positive about China in general, if I see nothing really positive with this country? I see no reason why I should 'balance' (balance = self-censorship?) my viewpoints.

Keep in mind, I am not a Chinese, I see China as an outsider, not as an insider. My acceptance criteria are about what fits me best and not what fits an overseas Chinese best.

As I said before, if I had to choose between China or USA, I will choose USA any time. I would also prefer EU, Japan, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia and even Cambodia to China. I see absolutely nothing which is attractive for me about the People's Republic of China.

Another example of the bad karma that Winston generates, all on his own. Why does Winston feel the need to call someone stupid? Simply because he disagrees with what someone says?

For someone who is in his forties already, this seems emotionally immature. It seems like he glossed over what was written, saw something he didn't like and reacted emotionally to it.

Does Winston act like this in real life too? Does he call people stupid or curse at them in front of their face if he disagrees with them? It's easy to be brave on an Internet forum (even the most timid of cowards can act tough on the Internet) but how does he act in real life? My advice to you Winston is don't do this in real life. You won't like what might happen to you.

BTW, I am Chinese, have lived and traveled in both China and the U.S. And if I had to choose, I would choose the U.S. over China in spite of all of the problems in the U.S.

[Yohan]

Well Marcos,
You are an exception then. But that's not what 90+ percent of expats in the Philippines experience, including the other guys in the forum. I am skeptical of your claims about your wife and her family. Can we see photos of them or some evidence? You could be making all this up and we'd never know. It sounds implausible though.
.....
I'm just speaking of my experiences. And if the majority of expats say they have the same experience, then it's valid and real. Anyone here who has been to the Philippines reports the same thing...

Why should he make it up? Out of what reason?

It's more about that here in this forum are 2 groups of people, one group (the larger one) is going to Philippines only for cheap sex, while the other one (small one, a few people only) have nothing to do with all this sex-life, bar-girls etc. etc.

I belong to the small group in this forum with a lot of connection to Philippines, but without any sex-relationship. So you think, because your experience is different in Angeles City, this speaks for all foreigners visiting the Philippines and the others, who are not into Angeles sex-life are making up their stories?

[momopi]

If anyone thinks having to pick up the tab in PH is bad, be happy that it's not worse like this guy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p032t97v

[Yohan]

I think your analysis is spot-on, Yohan. It usually is. When it comes to love, romance and traveling, the Philippines is like the Wild West, and we're the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. You decide who is what.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoples ... sband.html

http://chinapic.people.com.cn/forum.php ... id=5762811

WildWest or not, it seems the Filipina is still the better mother, when the father of her children abandons them...

Desperate Chinese woman offers to give away her three sons to strangers for FREE after being abandoned by her husband

I think, this Chinese woman is a scammer, a professional liar and beggar.

[Yohan]

If anyone thinks having to pick up the tab in PH is bad, be happy that it's not worse like this guy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p032t97v

There is plenty of advice on the internet about what to do and what not to do in Thailand in case you consider to buy a property.

If foreign men are scammed by Thai women it's really their own fault. You cannot help such men.

I also wrote several times here in this forum, what to do and what not to do in Thailand. A foreigner cannot own land in Thailand - only condominium.

If such land-transactions on behalf of a foreign boyfriend are arranged with a 'workaround' by his Thai girlfriend, how can he be surprised that the house and land belongs to her and not to him?

The golden rule is easy: Buy a condominium unit in foreigner's name and make sure it is fully paid with foreign currency and ONLY the foreigner's name is registered in the land-title BEFORE marriage with a Thai woman. This condominium will be yours forever, even after divorce. In Thailand the property law is very strong and overrides the family law in case of divorce.

It is not the fault of Thailand, if foreigners acting like idiots, love-blind because of 'yellow fever'.

China has now similar regulations regarding property ownership.