Rock wrote:
A person does not feel constant velocity. You only sense movement when acceleration or deceleration is involved. OR Newton's first law of motion is false. Does an astronaut in space traveling at thousands of miles per hour relative to earth's surface feel anything? According NASA and other space programs, the answer is no. So you say NASA is lying. Well see the last paragraph of this post to get my view on that in frame of the bigger picture.
"When viewed in an inertial reference frame, an object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by an external force." Since moving at constant velocity is what your body does without any forces on it, there's no need for a net external force, and in fact there mustn't be one. If there's no external force, there's no possibility of what you would feel, i.e., an unevenly applied external force.
Of course, note that constant velocity is not the same as constant speed. If you're on a merry-go-round, your speed is constant, but your velocity is not. Velocity is a directional quantity and the direction is continually changing, which counts as Acceleration. And since you are caused to accelerate by a force applied through one part of your body (again hopefully a comfortable part), you can feel it.
As for stars, how do you or I actually know what they are. Which human has visited any star? For you and me, they are but tiny lighted dots in the dark sky. All we know is what we've read, what others have told us, etc. We cannot be sure what they really are. That even goes for the moon. Humans are tiny ants in a seemingly limitless universe. Our perception and understanding is as limited as our size. We are best equipped to deal with and understand everyday up close and personal life issues. The farther you go out into space or in the opposite direction (subatomic realm), the less understanding God has given us. It's a mystery for now Winston. Everything this guy or you think or talk about is pure conjecture, mental masturbation, nothing more than that. So whether you believe the earth to be round, flat, triangular, a random blob, illusionary or anything else your imagination can conjure doesn't matter. It's just a belief, your belief, not a fact. We have so-called facts which seem more plausible but in reality, there is no such thing as absolute fact for we humans. We can only guess at anything and everything based on what our senses and mind inform us. And neither or senses nor mind are infallible or limitless. Both are easy to fool via illusions and societal programming. So get a grip, have a beer, and flirt with some Taiwan girls lol.
Can you give me a real life example where a person is moving on something and feels zero motion? Even on a plane or train, you feel slight motion, especially when the plane or train shakes or experiences turbulence. Please give me one example in real life where you are moving but feel no movement at all, not even the slightest. Even in an elevator, you feel movement.
Remember that the Earth is supposedly moving at VERY HIGH speeds, in multiple ways. It is supposed to be rotating at 1000mph, orbiting the sun at 67,000mph and the whole solar system is moving through the galaxy at 500,000mph. That's official astronomy. These are VERY HIGH speeds, not slow speeds. Yet we feel zero motion. Theory does not match reality.
Also remember that the Earth wobbles in its orbit, and tilts differently during the seasons, in the official model. Yet we feel no wobble or tilt. If a plane or cruise ship tilted or wobbled, we would feel it.
Why do you quote NASA as an authority? Did you forget that NASA has lied about many things in the past murdered a number of people in cold blood. I gave many examples earlier in this thread. Why would you trust such an institution? It's not like NASA is an honest saint or virtuous angel. Come on now. Get real. Why is NASA an authority on truth and honesty? Why would NASA never tell a lie? Because it's big and powerful and you worship that and wish that power = truth right? That's human bias. We all want to believe that government is a big caring daddy that tells the truth. It's an emotional bias not grounded in reality.
Yes I agree, we can't know what the stars are. But how do you know the universe is large and limitless? It could be just the Earth and the dome above it, for all we know. That's what the Bible says, that there is a firmament in the sky, and above it water. This means there is a dome barrier of some sort with water above it, as well as water below the Earth. You are sort of Christian. Well that is what your Bible says. Some ancient Indian texts say that too. Ask Starchild about it.
Did you know that science and NASA has recently said that the Van Allen Belts have now solidified into a solid force field that cosmic rays can't pass through? They sort of admitted that there's a force field around the Earth. It was even mentioned on the History Channel. That would indicate a dorm. And it means that we are trapped on Earth, even though we are protected from forces outside the Earth.
Yes this is all speculation. I agree. Neither of us have been higher in the sky than what a plane can take us. For all we know, the dome in the sky could be just a giant planetarium. Maybe the reason the sky is blue in the daytime, is because there's water above the dome? Also, keep in mind that rainbows can't be produced indoors, only outdoors. And rainbows are arc shaped, which may possibly reflect the dome shape above the Earth. So rainbows may be evidence of a dome above us.
Also please keep in mind that we do not see the moon spinning or rotating either. We don't even know for sure that the moon is a spheroid. Look at it through a telescope. You can't be sure it's even a ball. It could be a disc for all we know. Same with the sun.
Either way, please watch the whole hour video of that black guy's (Dave Murphy) presentation. If you care about this subject and want to discuss it, it's only fair that you listen to his whole presentation first. Otherwise, it's unfair for you to be casting judgment without watching it in full. So be fair please. It's only an hour long. If you can't invest an hour in it, then you shouldn't be discussing it. That's not fair. Not all his points are speculative. Some are simple and practical and can be observed by the average layman. If you watch his presentation, you would see that.
If either of us has the time, we can go to Google sometime and Google questions such as:
- "How do we know the stars are suns?"
- "How do we know how far away the stars are?"
- "How do we know the Earth is moving?"
- "What makes the sky blue?"
- "Why are rainbows arc shaped?"
Etc.
Then we can hear what mainstream science has to say about those questions, and see if their answers make sense or not. But it'd require time investment of course, which we are all short on. There are hundreds of things to do in life. We all have checklists of hundreds of things to do. And limited time. So we cannot do all that we would like to in one day.
