Argument # 2 I would reject because to quote House "everyone lies." I consider myself to be a fairly honest straightforward person but even I fudged on my dating profile a bit. So I assume that a woman who says on POF that she wants marriage or a committed relationship is usually open to casual sex with the right person and the right circumstances.Winston wrote:Davewe,
There's something else we forgot to consider - Evolutionary Biology. As we've discussed here before, women are hardwired NOT to have casual sex too freely because if they have many children without fathers, then they will be screwed. So for survival's sake, they are hardwired to be more choosy than men about who they have sex with. Thus the argument from evolutionary biology, which says that women are NOT hardwired for casual sex, is a very big argument AGAINST your claim that most women like casual sex (one night stands, flings, etc.)
So in summary, two big arguments go against your argument:
1. The argument from evolutionary biology that women are not hardwired for casual sex.
2. The fact that every female profile on dating sites (such as POF) says that they are not looking for intimate encounters or casual sex outside of relationships.
Those are two biggies. What are your arguments to the contrary?
I think we can logically conclude that women are not actively or consciously looking for casual sex, though they can be tempted into it of course. And of course, we all know that women are far MORE choosy and picky about who they have sex with, than men are. They are far more inhibited and usually require love and commitment first before they will give a man sex, in accord with their hardwiring. Of course, some women do have casual sex. But either way, getting casual sex for a man is NOT easy (except for prostitutes and really poor or desperate women of course). I'm sure we can all agree on that.
Any dispute with the above Davewe?
But it's an interesting subject. After all if a woman has only had casual sex with one man in her life we might consider her pruddish; if she's had casual sex with 100 men we consider her a whore. So again, back to the definition of what is a woman who likes casual sex?
As to point #1, this is even more interesting to me. I am certainly no evolutionary biologist but I have a buddy who did study it thoroughly and has some interesting theories. In a tiny nutshell (cause he has written lots about it) he says traditional monogamy is about property. Women way back when were just as promisculous as men. They were biologically driven to obtain as much seed as possible and the competing sperm literally duked it out to see which would fertilize the egg.
Do you know why in most cultures the oldest child inherits the property and titles? Because that was the child most likely to have the husband's DNA. The powerful man married a young virgin, and impregnetted her early. But by kid #2 he no longer could know who's child it was. So many cultures evolved to insist on virginity and monogamy, not because they are women's nature, but in order for the man to be ensured that his line would continue at least via the first child. It's an interesting theory and I have only scratched the surface. My friend believes that women are just as slutty as we are but our cultures have evolved to strongly discourage females sluttiness in order to pass down property and titles - in other words to ensure the mans DNA goes forward. After all, by definition you know the woman's DNA goes to the next generation; this was the way to ensure the man's did the same.
Bottom line for us - women do like casual sex. Do they like it as much as men - maybe not. Are they pickier? Probably. But still they do like it, do seek it and will give it up. Of course I am practical and know I can get more and better partner(s) abroad than I can in the West, so that's my preference.
See Will N's recent trip report to see what Filipinas think of casual sex - lol!
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