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Re: MGTOW Lesson for the Gynocentric Cucks

Post by OutWest » September 5th, 2017, 10:08 am

Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
Most MGTOW arguments do not apply to me, since the family legal system where I live is not stacked against men like the system is in many western countries. If you point that out to MGTOWs on some of the forums, they just insult you.
The difference between you and and Yohan is that while you both are married, Yohan is smart enough to be "red pill aware" in that he fully appreciates the myriad pitfalls of marriage for men and has been wise enough to craft his life in ways that avoided them. Some might even consider Yohan a MGTOW, but others would not given his status as a married man. To me, his moniker does not matter because he is unmistakably red pill and of similar mindset of MGTOW and that is what is important.

In contrast, you and most other married men live in the fog of blue pill existence where you smugly parrot the harmful nonsense you've been taught by family and religion which are detrimental to yourselves and other men.

It is only when you have been either financially, psychologically, legally, and/or physically harmed by your marriage that the light bulb goes off. It does not matter that you wife is Asian or you do not live in the West, you are still at risk that you would be foolish to ignore and you would be evil to deny in front of young men.

About your recurring complaint of being insulted by MGTOW. If you don't want to be beat upon the face, ensure you first throw no punches.

Finally, there is a married man who considers himself a MGTOW who beautifully describes in the below video how his marriage is a restraint on his freedom and peace of mind as a man. I implore you to watch it to gain a better understanding of MGTOW.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBkyNRPJWBQ[/youtube]

Marriage as a function of the state is undeniably grim. There are other limits on freedom of course. Debt, mortgages, relatives, conscience and duty, and finally, failing health and death. Your personal economic situation will likely determine many of your options.
I am married with kids. This coming year we set sail for an extended voyage in the South Seas. Are MGTOWs happier or more free? Maybe some are, contrarian included, but I have the MGTOW s I know personally as well as the married men beat by a country mile. Personal circumstances vary. A married man sailing the South Seas may very well be happier than the MGTOWs sitting in their mothers basement apartment, dreams and all.
In general, the state and its many women are slave masters.
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Re: MGTOW Lesson for the Gynocentric Cucks

Post by OutWest » September 5th, 2017, 10:09 am

Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
Most MGTOW arguments do not apply to me, since the family legal system where I live is not stacked against men like the system is in many western countries. If you point that out to MGTOWs on some of the forums, they just insult you.
The difference between you and and Yohan is that while you both are married, Yohan is smart enough to be "red pill aware" in that he fully appreciates the myriad pitfalls of marriage for men and has been wise enough to craft his life in ways that avoided them. Some might even consider Yohan a MGTOW, but others would not given his status as a married man. To me, his moniker does not matter because he is unmistakably red pill and of similar mindset of MGTOW and that is what is important.

In contrast, you and most other married men live in the fog of blue pill existence where you smugly parrot the harmful nonsense you've been taught by family and religion which are detrimental to yourselves and other men.

It is only when you have been either financially, psychologically, legally, and/or physically harmed by your marriage that the light bulb goes off. It does not matter that you wife is Asian or you do not live in the West, you are still at risk that you would be foolish to ignore and you would be evil to deny in front of young men.

About your recurring complaint of being insulted by MGTOW. If you don't want to be beat upon the face, ensure you first throw no punches.

Finally, there is a married man who considers himself a MGTOW who beautifully describes in the below video how his marriage is a restraint on his freedom and peace of mind as a man. I implore you to watch it to gain a better understanding of MGTOW.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBkyNRPJWBQ[/youtube]

Marriage as a function of the state is undeniably grim. There are other limits on freedom of course. Debt, mortgages, relatives, conscience and duty, and finally, failing health and death. Your personal economic situation will likely determine many of your options.
I am married with kids. This coming year we set sail for an extended voyage in the South Seas. Are MGTOWs happier or more free? Maybe some are, contrarian included, but I have the MGTOW s I know personally as well as the married men beat by a country mile. Personal circumstances vary. A married man sailing the South Seas may very well be happier than the MGTOWs sitting in their mothers basement apartment, dreams and all.
In general, the state and its many women are slave masters.
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Re: MGTOW Lesson for the Gynocentric Cucks

Post by OutWest » September 5th, 2017, 10:09 am

Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
Most MGTOW arguments do not apply to me, since the family legal system where I live is not stacked against men like the system is in many western countries. If you point that out to MGTOWs on some of the forums, they just insult you.
The difference between you and and Yohan is that while you both are married, Yohan is smart enough to be "red pill aware" in that he fully appreciates the myriad pitfalls of marriage for men and has been wise enough to craft his life in ways that avoided them. Some might even consider Yohan a MGTOW, but others would not given his status as a married man. To me, his moniker does not matter because he is unmistakably red pill and of similar mindset of MGTOW and that is what is important.

In contrast, you and most other married men live in the fog of blue pill existence where you smugly parrot the harmful nonsense you've been taught by family and religion which are detrimental to yourselves and other men.

It is only when you have been either financially, psychologically, legally, and/or physically harmed by your marriage that the light bulb goes off. It does not matter that you wife is Asian or you do not live in the West, you are still at risk that you would be foolish to ignore and you would be evil to deny in front of young men.

About your recurring complaint of being insulted by MGTOW. If you don't want to be beat upon the face, ensure you first throw no punches.

Finally, there is a married man who considers himself a MGTOW who beautifully describes in the below video how his marriage is a restraint on his freedom and peace of mind as a man. I implore you to watch it to gain a better understanding of MGTOW.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBkyNRPJWBQ[/youtube]

Marriage as a function of the state is undeniably grim. There are other limits on freedom of course. Debt, mortgages, relatives, conscience and duty, and finally, failing health and death. Your personal economic situation will likely determine many of your options.
I am married with kids. This coming year we set sail for an extended voyage in the South Seas. Are MGTOWs happier or more free? Maybe some are, contrarian included, but I have the MGTOW s I know personally as well as the married men beat by a country mile. Personal circumstances vary. A married man sailing the South Seas may very well be happier than the MGTOWs sitting in their mothers basement apartment, dreams and all.
In general, the state and its many women are slave masters.
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Re: MGTOW Lesson for the Gynocentric Cucks

Post by MrMan » September 5th, 2017, 10:20 am

Contrarian Expatriate wrote: The difference between you and and Yohan is that while you both are married, Yohan is smart enough to be "red pill aware" in that he fully appreciates the myriad pitfalls of marriage for men and has been wise enough to craft his life in ways that avoided them. Some might even consider Yohan a MGTOW, but others would not given his status as a married man. To me, his moniker does not matter because he is unmistakably red pill and of similar mindset of MGTOW and that is what is important.
You haven't been paying attention. On this issue, I am more aligned with Yohan than you are. I am aware of some of the dangers of the western legal system. I also warn men (on forums like this or elsewhere as I have opportunity) of the dangers of marrying the wrong type of woman who will divorce them and the problems with the legal system. I married a foreign woman and I live overseas, like Yohan.

I don't know if he lives overseas as an anti-divorce strategy. I don't. I didn't marry a foreigner to avoid the potential dangers of the family law court system in the US. I also would not say that there are no women in the US or other western countries who would make good wives, but I do think that good wives are in the minority.

You, on the other hand, insult men who marry or who think marriage is a good thing and try to convince men not to marry. Marriage is a good thing, if done rightly. Western culture and legal system are messed up.

If you really valued men's individual freedom to 'go their own way' so much, then you would realize that some men want to get married. Some men want to have children. The way to address them is to point out the red flags and pitfalls of marrying the wrong type of woman. There are risks involved when we make choices. The man who chooses to marry in the US has some legal and social risks. But there is also the risks involved in not getting married, that a man may end up alone, or that he may get to an age where he is low in the pecking order for attracting a desirable spouse because of his age, but decides late in life he wants to marry.
It is only when you have been either financially, psychologically, legally, and/or physically harmed by your marriage that the light bulb goes off. It does not matter that you wife is Asian or you do not live in the West, you are still at risk that you would be foolish to ignore and you would be evil to deny in front of young men.
You are quite pessimistic. I've got a good quality wife who has a good idea of her role as a wife, a strong morals, including morals related to marriage. She's hard-working and has a lot of good wifely and motherly skills.

If you are an atheist, what does 'evil' mean to you anyway? Don't you think all we are is a bunch of molecules bumping around anyway.
About your recurring complaint of being insulted by MGTOW. If you don't want to be beat upon the face, ensure you first throw no punches.
Throwing punches at a MGTOW is pointing out holes in their reasoning. In the conversation with another individual, I'd point out that his arguments that marriage was always bad idea was dependent totally on being in western culture and a legal system where the deck was stacked against men. It did not apply to men who married foreign women from certain other cultures and lived abroad. When there is no logic to support the argument, the MGTOW started calling names. You rather quickly started throwing the 'cuck' name around when I pointed out some problems with your argument. It is very middle-schoolish behavior. At least one other poster besides me has called you on it. If you can make your case base on the strength of your arguments, then you do not have to resort to name-calling or insulting a man's wife.
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Post by MrMan » September 5th, 2017, 10:24 am

Yohan,
What is the difference between being red pill (as in subscribing to manosphere philosophy) and being a MGTOW in your opinion?

My understanding was that MGTOW are 'red pill' men who decide not to marry and either are opposed to all marriages for men, ever, or else want to kind of go on strike against marriage until someday it becomes a more fair institution again.
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Post by Contrarian Expatriate » September 5th, 2017, 11:01 am

OutWest wrote:In general, the state and its many women are slave masters.
That is really it in a nutshell! Too bad the concept is lost on many men like our skeptic MrMan.
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Post by Contrarian Expatriate » September 5th, 2017, 11:07 am

MrMan wrote: I've got a good quality wife who has a good idea of her role as a wife, a strong morals, including morals related to marriage. She's hard-working and has a lot of good wifely and motherly skills.
When your wife is 40 pounds heavier and 10 years uglier/meaner, you will not feel the same about her. I guarantee you will want to throw her back. Just wait :lol:
MrMan wrote: If you are an atheist, what does 'evil' mean to you anyway?
So now I am an atheist? Reeeaaally?
:roll:
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Post by Yohan » September 6th, 2017, 1:36 am

MrMan wrote:Yohan,
What is the difference between being red pill (as in subscribing to manosphere philosophy) and being a MGTOW in your opinion?

My understanding was that MGTOW are 'red pill' men who decide not to marry and either are opposed to all marriages for men, ever, or else want to kind of go on strike against marriage until someday it becomes a more fair institution again.
These are two different things, you misunderstand something, let me try to explain it to you.

The definition of MGTOW which is accepted by many others I meet in forums or also personally is about as follows:

MGTOW– Men Going Their Own Way. This is a broad term to describe men that choose to define their lives based on their own desires. Some men choose to marry, some live the PUA lifestyle, some ghost, etc. The MGTOW philosophy does not attempt to constrain men into some pre-defined lifestyle.

It is not so easy to become MGTOW, as the media, government related offices, many feminist-friendly people next to you in Western society will immediately respond with 'shaming language' against you.

It would be maybe good for you if you check out WHY men choose to become MGTOW.
Their true stories might be a good eye-opener for you.

In general MGTOW are against feminism. Against a legal situation which clearly gives preference to a female even in a case of severe wrongdoing.

MGTOW do not hate ALL women, as they are intelligent enough to understand that hate is a way to nowhere, self-destructive.
However MGTOW are often men who made some bad experiences in their life and are now strongly risk-averse.

But what is wrong with being risk-averse as a man? Can anybody explain?

You mistaken MGTOW as a failure to act with women in a sexual way, but in my case for example this is totally wrong.
It's more about that MGTOW - like I myself - do not want to get laid by Western females as they deeply mistrust them, they are worried they might do something to harm them.

However 'mistrust' is not exactly the same as 'hate'.

I myself did not become MGTOW because I could not find a woman. I found indeed many, however not even one was a Western woman.

I became MGTOW because I was always badly treated by women while still in Europe. Women who were in no position to be ever to act in a sexual way towards me.

I hardly remember any woman who was nice to me when I was still a small child. This includes my mother, my half-sisters, a foster daughter living with my mother, violent female neighbors, aggressive female teachers in elementary school, catholic church related females (and also males), women at the work place....

Most mistreatment I suffered in my life as a child and young man was done to me by females.
The idea to move away from such a place and from such people was nothing but the logical result of my upbringing and life as a young man in Europe.

Simply said I never had the desire to get laid by any Western woman, I am totally disinterested in such an issue.

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Some of our MGTOW members in the forum where I have also admin rights wrote a few definitions about MGTOW.
Just a few examples:


MGTOW Definition:

1. men going their own way - applies to all men who don't subscribe to the "traditional lifestyle" i.e. go to school, graduate college, find a girl, settle down, get married, have kids, etc/etc...singular is mghow - man going his own way

2. this term is often used in conjunction with men's rights terminology, as men's rights activists (MRA), often view the traditional lifestyle as setting them up for failure - w/ 1/2 marriages ending in divorce, approximately 3/4 of those divorces being initiated by the female, and 4/5 of those divorces resulting in child custody for the female and child support being provided by the male... a male who gets married today has a very high chance of being divorced by his wife and never seeing his kids while being forced to support them financially...

3. A sort of motto that punctuates MRA statements...it should be of note that the phrase MGTOW is not so much an anti-female acronym as it is geared more towards a general political, economic, and cultural system that fails both males and females...

4. Used to describe men in general who

A - work hard but try to avoid certain people,
B - expatriate males who choose to live abroad,
C - even male johns who choose to get all their sexual needs satisfied solely through prostitutes/escorts
(what some divorced males wish they did, realizing they would have had more sex and ended up better off financially)...

5. MGTOW is a male reaction to the excesses of feminism.


Well, that's about what I consider as 'MGTOW'. Just to give you an idea how to understand this term.
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Post by MrMan » September 7th, 2017, 4:06 am

Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
MrMan wrote: I've got a good quality wife who has a good idea of her role as a wife, a strong morals, including morals related to marriage. She's hard-working and has a lot of good wifely and motherly skills.
When your wife is 40 pounds heavier and 10 years uglier/meaner, you will not feel the same about her. I guarantee you will want to throw her back. Just wait :lol:
I've been with my wife from her 20's and now into her 40's. I'm not thinking about throwing her back. I don't know if she'll ever get fat, and I seem to be looking older faster than she is.
MrMan wrote: If you are an atheist, what does 'evil' mean to you anyway?
So now I am an atheist? Reeeaaally?
:roll:
Sorry if I misinterpreted some of your previous comments, which I don't feel like searching through or looking up. Do you have any religious beliefs?
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Post by MrMan » September 7th, 2017, 4:11 am

Yohan,

That definition sounds like a grab-bag of random things. Am I a MGTOW if I work overseas?
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Post by Contrarian Expatriate » September 7th, 2017, 4:18 am

MrMan wrote:
Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
MrMan wrote: I've got a good quality wife who has a good idea of her role as a wife, a strong morals, including morals related to marriage. She's hard-working and has a lot of good wifely and motherly skills.
When your wife is 40 pounds heavier and 10 years uglier/meaner, you will not feel the same about her. I guarantee you will want to throw her back. Just wait :lol:
I've been with my wife from her 20's and now into her 40's. I'm not thinking about throwing her back. I don't know if she'll ever get fat, and I seem to be looking older faster than she is.
MrMan wrote: If you are an atheist, what does 'evil' mean to you anyway?
So now I am an atheist? Reeeaaally?
:roll:
Sorry if I misinterpreted some of your previous comments, which I don't feel like searching through or looking up. Do you have any religious beliefs?
Give it time, your wife will turn horrid and fat soon enough. If you're the one turning horrid more quickly, that should be a clue as to how healthy and happy your marriage has made you. Perhaps she might just throw you back as happens quite often.

And about your assumption of my religious beliefs, people who make up facts to suit their pathetic arguments are idiots. Since that is a recurring pattern you have, such would indeed describe you sir.
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Post by Cornfed » September 7th, 2017, 4:30 am

I actually agree with a lot of what CE says in this thread. The disagreeable posts should be interpreted within the context that:
1. He does not have any genetic legacy worth propagating.
2. He is a ward of the state. Therefore he does not need a family to support him, because the ZOG is forcing us schlubs to support him.

In this context, what he is saying makes perfect sense for him. Tragically it may make sense for many others as well, given the current environment.
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Post by Yohan » September 7th, 2017, 10:20 am

MrMan wrote:Yohan,
That definition sounds like a grab-bag of random things. Am I a MGTOW if I work overseas?
MGTOW means simply said 'men going your own way'.

In my case, yes, I consider myself as MGTOW.
I never had any personal relationship with a Western woman.
I left Europe in 1972 for Asia and never came back and have no intention to do so in future - even not now after my retirement.

Let me add, MGTOW are often accused by feminists of something which is simply said not true - for example being notorious all-out women-haters or serial rapists.

MGTOW is somehow about to 'move away'. To prevent and to avoid troubles before they even exist.
MGTOW has something to do with I would say 'passive resistance'.
MGTOW is about to learn out of your mistakes you made as a man and decide not to be silent about it, not to be ashamed about it to share your bad experiences with others.
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Post by MrMan » September 7th, 2017, 11:17 am

Contrarian Expat,

I didn't say you were an atheist. I said "If you are an atheist...".

I look normal for my age. But I'm a white man. Some of these Asian women just don't seem to age as much, but tend to age more than my wife. I went with my wife to her high school reunion. Some woman I'd never met before said something like, "I used to be young and good-looking" in Indonesian. That was an odd comment. She said that because my wife still looked young, thin, and pretty. My wife could be in a room full of women in their 20's and still be the best looking woman in the room.

Looks don't last forever, though. But they can last longer for an Asian woman who takes good care of her skin and is naturally pre-disposed to look you. Age catches up with all of us. You may look like you are in your 30's, but it doesn't last forever.
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Post by Contrarian Expatriate » September 7th, 2017, 1:44 pm

MrMan wrote:Contrarian Expat,

I didn't say you were an atheist. I said "If you are an atheist...".

I look normal for my age. But I'm a white man. Some of these Asian women just don't seem to age as much, but tend to age more than my wife. I went with my wife to her high school reunion. Some woman I'd never met before said something like, "I used to be young and good-looking" in Indonesian. That was an odd comment. She said that because my wife still looked young, thin, and pretty. My wife could be in a room full of women in their 20's and still be the best looking woman in the room.

Looks don't last forever, though. But they can last longer for an Asian woman who takes good care of her skin and is naturally pre-disposed to look you. Age catches up with all of us. You may look like you are in your 30's, but it doesn't last forever.
Married men like yourself who have their lives and well-being destroyed by female whims are a dime a dozen.

I only support men of advanced age married in an age-gap manner, because after the creation of kids, the man's wealth and well-being stay intact after such a female whim. I am in my 50s dating a 19 year old who wants my children. The chance to seriously date a 19 year old of superior morals and mindset will likely never come again so I am seriously thinking about taking her onboard. But marriage just is not in the cards for me for the aforementioned reasons.
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