Why is North Korea so underrated on the world stage?

[Outcast9428]

North Korea! Traditionalist!? Don’t make me laugh you commie shill…

“Although these numbers are difficult to come by in the iron-clad North Korea, researchers believe women are the breadwinners in 80–90 percent of homes. This dramatic change has had tremendous consequences in this patriarchal society. Women across the country, empowered by their new money-making abilities, have become less obedient to their husbands and have started controlling a lot of the household decisions. Many North Korean women refer to their husbands as "puppies" or "pets," because they are unable to do anything productive but still must be taken care of and provided for. Women now make about twice and much as what men used to get paid.[better source needed]

But with this change, women in this country are facing increasing domestic violence. Scholars who survey North Korean defectors claim they have yet to interview a woman that hasn't experienced some sort of violence in the home. They believe it is because of the immense power shift that has occurred inside the homes of people across the country. Men are frustrated with their new-found lack of power.

Albeit with heavy obstacles, women are still leading the charge for civil disobedience, an unusual occurrence in North Korea. When new restrictions are imposed on the markets, women are very vocal and prominent in the protests.

These changes have resulted in women preferring to wait longer to get married and men being forced to accept their subordinate roles as husbands. This power change in life has resulted in another in death: it is now men that are forced to beg when their spouse dies, instead of the other way around.”

North Korea makes America look like Hungary by comparison.

[Outcast9428]

I can’t believe you were so stupid as to reveal your agenda Mercer… Demoralize the right, convince right wingers that every country on Earth is overrun with feminism and then promote communist shitholes as the only alternative. You are a NWO shill and that is clear as day now. It explains why you call everybody with authentic conservative views a “tradcuck” and demand they accept the blackpill. You also pretend to be against degeneracy while promoting mega degenerate douchebags like Andrew Tate and the users who’s dicks you suck the hardest are the most degenerate users here like CaptainSkelebob and GeraldButler. You seem to really love degenerate men Mercer.

It’s all coming together. I knew there was something off about you.

[MrMan]

I can’t believe you were so stupid as to reveal your agenda Mercer… Demoralize the right, convince right wingers that every country on Earth is overrun with feminism and then promote communist shitholes as the only alternative. You are a NWO shill and that is clear as day now. It explains why you call everybody with authentic conservative views a “tradcuck” and demand they accept the blackpill. You also pretend to be against degeneracy while promoting mega degenerate douchebags like Andrew Tate and the users who’s dicks you suck the hardest are the most degenerate users here like CaptainSkelebob and GeraldButler. You seem to really love degenerate men Mercer.

It’s all coming together. I knew there was something off about you.

I think it's more likely that he's stirring the pot, maybe teasing you a bit.

[Yohan]

Is it because westerners can't accept a real traditionalist culture?

To answer your question in a short form:

It has nothing to do with not accepting a 'real traditionalist culture'.

The only problem with North Korea is the Kim Jong-un regime and its political system, about how this regime is treating a large part of its own citizens.

It is plainly wrong to treat own citizens like prisoners, who are not allowed to keep any personal contact even to relatives living abroad, not even in form of a phone call or a letter.

It is also plainly wrong to prohibit a large group of its own citizens to leave their own village and to let two million ordinary countrymen dying of hunger, while a certain elite class is playing golf, visiting gyms and swimming pools and are eating expensive imported food in restaurants...and so on and so on.
It is disgusting that a government gives the order to soldiers to shot every countryman at sight who tries to leave over the border.
It's crazy to produce and fire rockets and missiles all the time while the county of 26 million people is internationally one of the poorest of this world.

The critics about North Korea is not about the people living there.

Personally, I like the Korean people and I do not care if somebody is from the North or the South or is a Korean resident in Japan.
North Koreans are often very talented people and willing to study and to work hard to survive. They do not deserve to treated like it is now by their own government.

About underrating, it is true that Western media - because they cannot verify clearly what is going on in isolated North Korea - are reporting the situation sometimes worse than it really is, writing articles based on hearsay and pure speculation.

[Yohan]

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20230330000760

Seoul lifts lid on once-classified N. Korea human rights reports
Based on testimonies from over 500 defectors, report documents shocking human rights abuses in NK
By Ji Da-gyumPublished : Mar 30, 2023 - 17:26 Updated : Mar 30, 2023 - 18:12

The South Korean government will release a comprehensive report on human rights abuses and violations committed in North Korea, ranging from human experimentation to the public execution of pregnant women, for the first time on Friday.

Since the enactment of the North Korean Human Rights Acts in 2016, the Korean government has published classified state reports on the human rights situation in North Korea. The reports were not open to public for years during the liberal-leaning Moon Jae-in administration which called for the need to protect the identities of the North Korean defectors who testified.

The release of the previously-classified reports appears to fall in line with the Yoon government’s continuing efforts to publicly address human rights in North Korea, including the resumption of co-sponsoring for related UN resolutions.

The 445-page extensive report details egregious human rights violations in North Korea, including the right to life and liberty, as well as freedom from slavery, torture and other inhumane treatment. The report was written based on around 1,600 human rights violation cases testified by 508 North Korean defectors who fled their country between 2017 and 2022.

According to the report, the Kim Jong-un regime has extensively imposed the death penalty for offenses that do not qualify as the most serious crimes in North Korea, including narcotics crimes, the distribution of South Korean entertainment, and participating in religious and superstitious beliefs.

The death penalty was often carried out by firing squad, with most death row convicts not being given a chance to appeal.

“The right to life of North Korean citizens has been greatly threatened. Cases proving arbitrary deprivation of life by state power have been collected,” read the 2023 Report on North Korean Human Rights.

For instance, a man in Ryanggang Province was publicly executed by firing squad for distributing video footage originating from South Korea to several residents after importing the footage from China in 2020.

North Koreans who were secretly selling South Korean products such as high heels and cosmetics in the back alley of a market in the city of Pyongsong in South Pyongan Province were arrested and executed by shooting in 2018.

Minors under the age of 18 and even pregnant women have been executed, according to the testimony of North Korean defectors.

One testimony stated that a six-month pregnant woman was executed because she was seen pointing at a portrait of the late Kim Il-sung with her finger while dancing in her home in a widely circulated video.

Six teenagers aged 16 and 17 were executed by shooting on charges of watching video footage originating from South Korea and smoking opium at a stadium in the city of Wonsan, Kangwon Province.

The report also stated that the Kim Jong-un regime has conducted prohibited experiments on people with physical or intellectual disabilities as well as people suffering from psychiatric conditions including schizophrenia who are unable to provide valid consent for unethical human experiments.

North Korean officials at the Ministry of Social Security also allegedly blackmailed families into letting their family members become human test subjects. If not, they threatened to send the families to prison camps, according to testimonies from defectors. The human subjects were secretly fed sleeping pills by officials and forcibly taken to a facility called Hospital 83 for various experiments.

The report also states that the Kim Jong-un regime deprived disabled people, particularly those with dwarfism, of physical liberty by sterilizing them against their will.

In 2015, nurses at a hospital were instructed to create a “list of dwarfs” to prevent people with dwarfism from giving birth. A woman suffering from dwarfism was forced to undergo a hysterectomy, which is a surgical procedure to remove her womb, in 2017.

South Korean Unification Minister Kwon Young-se said the publication of the report is the outcome of the government’s resolve to make further efforts to "substantially improve North Korea’s human rights situation” in the soon-to-be released report’s preface.

Kwon underscored that the fundamental goal of issuing the report is to accurately understand the human rights situation in North Korea and find practical solutions to address abuses and violations of human rights.

“I hope that the report plays a significant role in bringing about meaningful changes in attitudes and responsible actions by the North Korean authorities,” he stated.

Similar report:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... laims.html

Investigation into North Korean rights abuses has been made public for first time

North Korea has committed horrific human rights violations including executing children and pregnant women, carrying out human experiments and forcibly sterilising disabled people, a South Korean report has claimed.

[Mercury]

Is it because westerners can't accept a real traditionalist culture?

North Korea is a prison country, a totalitarian dictatorship. Living in North Korea is like living in a supermax prison. In North Korea, people are forbidden to travel (they call it "treason"). North Koreans are expected to worship that country's dictators who have been exalted to a god-like status. No place is the gap between the rich and the poor wider than in North Korea; the rich get electricity and lofts similar to what you might get in a New York City highrise, the poor get rat-infested dwellings with neither electricity nor heat. It's likely illegal in North Korea for the poor to have an apple tree in their yard. The poor are starved on purpose while the rich get everything. Saying that the dictators have done something wrong or are not serving the people correctly gets a person along with 3 generations of extended family thrown into hellish prison camps and gulags, camps horribly infested with rats, mice, human poop and urine, people sleeping on dirt or concrete surfaces, people are forbidden to even sleep at night and are often kept active all 24 hours a day at gunpoint until they collapse of exhaustion, only to get beaten and even shot and killed. In fact, I encourage everyone to read the book "Escape from Camp 14" by Blaine Harden.

[Yohan]

Is it because westerners can't accept a real traditionalist culture?

North Korea is a prison country, a totalitarian dictatorship. Living in North Korea is like living in a supermax prison. In North Korea, people are forbidden to travel (they call it "treason"). North Koreans are expected to worship that country's dictators who have been exalted to a god-like status. No place is the gap between the rich and the poor wider than in North Korea; the rich get electricity and lofts similar to what you might get in a New York City highrise, the poor get rat-infested dwellings with neither electricity nor heat. It's likely illegal in North Korea for the poor to have an apple tree in their yard. The poor are starved on purpose while the rich get everything. Saying that the dictators have done something wrong or are not serving the people correctly gets a person along with 3 generations of extended family thrown into hellish prison camps and gulags, camps horribly infested with rats, mice, human poop and urine, people sleeping on dirt or concrete surfaces, people are forbidden to even sleep at night and are often kept active all 24 hours a day at gunpoint until they collapse of exhaustion, only to get beaten and even shot and killed. In fact, I encourage everyone to read the book "Escape from Camp 14" by Blaine Harden.

@Mercury

Thank you for your comment.

Camp 14 is the story of Shin Dong-hyuk 신동혁
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Dong-hyuk

However this person is a bit dubious, not all what he said is true, also other people who escaped North Korea were proven to tell a lot of lies to make them more eligible for moving on to other countries (often USA/Canada, but also Europe) after arriving in South Korea.

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This all is possible only because North Korea is supported by China and Russia. A human life has no value in North Korea.

In South Korea are now living about 34000 North Koreans who escaped, risking their life to get out from there. There are testimonies from hundreds of them telling about their former life in North Korea. They all tell you similar horrible stories.

Many of them prefer to remain anonymous and 'disappear' silently after receiving a new identity in South Korea.
Some others however are showing up in TV, give interviews and are not afraid to show their face in front of a camera.

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Interesting is the story of Thae Yong-ho, who has become the first ever North Korean defector to win a constituency seat in South Korea.

Mr Thae was once North Korea's deputy ambassador to the UK, but defected in 2016 with his family, becoming the highest-ranking North Korean official to ever do so.

He was running as the opposition United Future Party's main candidate in the affluent district of Gangnam of Seoul.
He won by 58.4%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thae_Yong-ho

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52305447

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This BBC report is not correct, because

Hwang Jang-yop 황장엽, was the highest ranking person ever, who escaped from North Korea but long time ago, he was the Chairman of the Standing Committee of the Supreme People's Assembly, but he died already.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwang_Jang-yop

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By far not all of North Koreans who decided to escape were living in poverty, not so few of them had a fairly good life - but nevertheless they preferred to start a new life somewhere else.

[Outcast9428]

@Yohan I imagine that North Korea is so oppressive that even if you’re rich you are still walking on eggshells all the time and could be thrown in a concentration camp at any minute.

[Mercury]

@Yohan I imagine that North Korea is so oppressive that even if you’re rich you are still walking on eggshells all the time and could be thrown in a concentration camp at any minute.

That's because, in North Korea, they don't just punish the suspect. They punish three generations of the suspect's extended family! In North Korea, you don't have to be the prime or secondary suspect in a crime to get arrested and thrown into one of those horrible gulags. Simply being a nephew, cousin, niece, or even an in-law of a crime suspect will get you thrown into the gulags. You even have a niece that is married and even her husband's nephew said that Kim Jong-Un was doing a poor job of running North Korea, and the authorities will still arrest you and throw you and everyone in the family into the gulags.

[Outcast9428]

North Korea is a pretty shitty place but unlike South Korea, at least the Kim Dynasty and its subjects aren't dying out anytime soon. Meanwhile South-Korea has a birth rate of 0.78 child per woman; the lowest in the entire world. A few more decades and the South will collapse, and the North takes over. They'll win the game simply by not dying out at this point.

South Korea breaks all sorts of records no healthy nation should be breaking:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Socie ... st-in-OECD

I’d still choose South Korea over North Korea any day. You can be tortured and executed over very petty things in North Korea. As a Christian I would not be allowed to be open about my religion. I would be executed horrifically if I lived in North Korea. It is easily the most brutal regime in the world.

[MrMan]

I’d still choose South Korea over North Korea any day. You can be tortured and executed over very petty things in North Korea. As a Christian I would not be allowed to be open about my religion. I would be executed horrifically if I lived in North Korea. It is easily the most brutal regime in the world.

I understand your motivation. But South Korea is clearly a perverted and horrible place, as that Korean poster who always writes about Korean women being horrible will attest to. It seems ridiculously vapid, hence the many feminist bitches who refuse to have kids. Here read this piece about Korean feminists, the 4B movement. They are more radical than Western feminists because they decided to all take a vow of childlessness and become lesbians because their hatred for men is that intense:

https://www.thecut.com/2023/03/4b-movem ... korea.html

Compared to that, some fat dictator seems almost benign. I mean concentration camps are horrible but dying out is worse than living under bad conditions.

South Korea does not seem fun. Work hours are long and feminism has been on the rise. But you can earn a developed country salary there. Some of the music is cheesy but it sure beats NK nusic.

If you are a college students in South Korea are parents May pay for you to go to the Philippines to learn English so you can go there and have a good time. You can also have the freedom to choose your own career ... well your Mom and Dad agree. But in North Korea the government tells you what kind of hard manual labor you have to do for a living.

In South Korea if you are rich ir middle class you can eat bulgogi. The poor can still buy tasty stews and noodle. In North Korea, meat is hard to come by and some years, so is rice. Is anyone in the country even slightly overweight besides its ruler? His wife looks well fed but not obviously obese by western standards, but I would imagine she is in tge 99th percentike for weight from NK.

Just think of the lack of food, lack of entertainment, no Internet unless you are a top official or a hacker. Oh and 3.5 to 4 years of mandatory military service--where they actually prioritize your rice consumption, compared to 1.5 in South Korea, where food is probably not great compared to what you are used to but far better than North Korean military food.

[Yohan]

@Yohan I imagine that North Korea is so oppressive that even if you’re rich you are still walking on eggshells all the time and could be thrown in a concentration camp at any minute.

That's because, in North Korea, they don't just punish the suspect. They punish three generations of the suspect's extended family! In North Korea, you don't have to be the prime or secondary suspect in a crime to get arrested and thrown into one of those horrible gulags. Simply being a nephew, cousin, niece, or even an in-law of a crime suspect will get you thrown into the gulags. You even have a niece that is married and even her husband's nephew said that Kim Jong-Un was doing a poor job of running North Korea, and the authorities will still arrest you and throw you and everyone in the family into the gulags.

This is correct, in North Korea you can be arrested easily, for example you have to say 'our dear leader Kim Jung Un' - just not address the leader and the party without some honorable prefix can already result in some form of punishment.

Rich or poor does not matter, even relatives of the Kim-family are either known to be executed or they left, escaped as so-called elite defectors, living now somewhere in USA or elsewhere in hiding.

[Yohan]

I’d still choose South Korea over North Korea any day. You can be tortured and executed over very petty things in North Korea. As a Christian I would not be allowed to be open about my religion. I would be executed horrifically if I lived in North Korea. It is easily the most brutal regime in the world.

I understand your motivation. But South Korea is clearly a perverted and horrible place, as that Korean poster who always writes about Korean women being horrible will attest to. It seems ridiculously vapid, hence the many feminist bitches who refuse to have kids. Here read this piece about Korean feminists, the 4B movement. They are more radical than Western feminists because they decided to all take a vow of childlessness and become lesbians because their hatred for men is that intense:

https://www.thecut.com/2023/03/4b-movem ... korea.html

Compared to that, some fat dictator seems almost benign. I mean concentration camps are horrible but dying out is worse than living under bad conditions.

@MarcosZeitola

The article you posted the link (4B) is written in a fair way, it also mentions that Korean men are aggressive as well.

Around 2014 and 2015, a virulently misogynistic and anti-feminist community called “Ilbe” grew in size and prominence. In its interpretation, women were demanding additional rights and privileges when they already benefited from avoiding the country’s compulsory military service. To the Ilbe community, the entire female populace is gold-digging and shallow. Female Korean internet users responded by latching onto misogynistic strategies like trolling, mockery, and abusive language.

Also male Korean politicians are not known to be always feminist-friendly, openly speaking out that feminism is blowfish poison, and the present president Yoon got his votes from male young voters, as he promised to dissolve the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63905490

As South Korea abolishes its gender ministry, women fight back

You have to understand Koreans to be aggressive fighters, men and women, it's in their nature, no need to take it seriously.
Compared to wild demonstrations in the past, life in South Korea is now rather peaceful.

Take it easy!

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@Outcast9428

Yes, religion is out of question - no way! As a North Korean citizen as Christian or Buddhist, you will belong to the lowest 'hostile class' and therefore sent to farms, coal mines, factories forced to work - to own a Bible is already enough to be arrested (even if you are not a Christian believer).


The only exception I know is if you are a foreigner (diplomat, business related agency etc.) living in Pyongyang in the foreign community area, you can go to a church, temple and mosque.

For example, the Pyongyang Central Mosque - Masjid Ar-Rahman is located within the large Iran Embassy large compound.

Changchung Catholic Cathedral Pyongyang is not far away, no priest there, but it is open somehow for foreigners.

Russians also operate an Orthodox Church in Pyongyang...Jongbaek Russian Orthodox Monastery

About some Buddhist temples, they are not in the city center of Pyongyang and sometimes shown to foreign visitors, but some Asian visitors were complaining and said this is staged, a fake, and these Korean people praying there are not Buddhists, but actors.

[Yohan]

North Korea is a pretty shitty place but unlike South Korea, at least the Kim Dynasty and its subjects aren't dying out anytime soon. Meanwhile South-Korea has a birth rate of 0.78 child per woman; the lowest in the entire world. A few more decades and the South will collapse, and the North takes over. They'll win the game simply by not dying out at this point.

South Korea, same as Japan, is clearly overpopulated, some reduction of the population is welcome by many citizens.

Who says, that North Korea is not dying out? Life expectancy in the North is by latest WHO data published in 2020 Male 69.3, female 75.7 and total life expectancy is 72.6.

Life expectancy at birth for men and women in South Korea is 80.6 and 86.6, then years longer than in the North.

In the North because of famine caused by flood and mismanagement and because of missing medical assistance, maybe one million people died, but nobody really knows how many - some say 500.000, other sources say 2 million. The North Korean media does not offer clear data.

Census data from the North cannot be trusted, the population might be now somehow between 24 and 26 million people.

South Korea, which land is 20 % smaller than those of North Korea population is 51.74 million people, is one of the most densely populated countries of the world.

I can assure you that population in Japan and South Korea will decline (but likely also in China and North Korea and Russia and Germany etc.etc.)
but citizens of those countries will not die out.

[kangarunner]

I can assure you that population in Japan and South Korea will decline (but likely also in China and North Korea and Russia and Germany etc.etc.)
but citizens of those countries will not die out.

@Yohan Where are your posts with photos of your life in Japan? If you live there, then please share with us some photos.