Countries that you can easily integrate into

[Lucas88]

Standing out like a sore thumb in a foreign culture is not a pleasant experience. Feeling like a perpetual alien can be quite wearying. It can also take its toll on our psychological wellbeing.

One of the things that I love so much about Spain is that, as a European, I'm able to integrate into the host society without problems and go largely unnoticed. I don't look much different from the typical Spaniard, especially when I'm super tanned. In Spain there are also many foreign residents from all over Europe. Even if I do look a little foreign, I don't look any more foreign than, say, the typical Russian, Bulgarian or Romanian immigrant. Moreover, Spanish is the default language in Spain and everybody is expected to speak it. It's completely normal for a foreign resident to speak it. People don't freak out when they hear a foreigner speaking Spanish. So linguistic integration is simple for anybody with intermediate Spanish or above.

In Latin America I look a bit more different to the majority of the population but fortunately all LatAm countries have people of full-blooded European ancestry (either descendants of Spanish criollos or of more recent immigrants from various European countries as diverse as Germany, Switzerland, Croatia, Ireland, etc.) and so I don't feel out of place there either. In Latin America, I like to make myself look less "gringo" through use of Melanotan. I think that pale-skinned Anglos stand out a lot in this region while Europeans with a more Mediterranean skin tone don't. Since I don't like the Anglo phenotype, I naturally aim for a more Mediterranean appearance. As for the language, I speak Spanish with more of a Latin American accent anyway but whenever I'm in a LatAm country I do my best to speak like the people there and adopt as much of their slang and phonological peculiarities as possible. And the culture doesn't seem too foreign either. It is basically Southern European culture transplanted to the New World and mixed with certain indigenous elements. As a European with a love for Spanish culture in particular, I feel perfectly at home in the continent's colonial cities.

Japan however was a completely different story. No matter how much I learned Japanese and attempted to follow social customs, I always stood out tremendously and was regarded by many as a curiosity. Obsessive tanning and body modifications wouldn't do me any good either. To the Japanese I will always have the exotic face of a "gaijin". Integration into Japanese society is tricky for a Caucasian foreigner. Some people will automatically be afraid of you and even start to panic as soon as you attempt to interact with them (many Japanese don't have a clue how to interact with foreigners). You utter some phrases in smooth and well-pronounced Japanese and some people will be utterly dumbfounded that a foreigner is able to speak their language and just give you a look of confusion. From time to time you even meet Japanese people who doubt that any White person could ever speak their language. I once went to a bank in Kobe and, before I even opened my mouth, the female cashier made an X sign with her hands and sternly warned: "eigo ga dekimasen!" (I don't know English). Then I just casually requested my transaction in Japanese as though nothing had happened. Lol! In Japan, you're eternally a gaijin, an outsider. Most foreigners feel socially alienated at some point. Some even complain about it on the internet. But I ask what the hell they're even doing in Japan in the first place. Japan is supposed to be only for Japanese people and isolated from the rest of the world. That's just how their culture is. Leave them be!

I certainly prefer to live in a country into which I can easily integrate, both culturally and linguistically. What about you guys? Which countries can you easily integrate into based on your own ethnicity and phenotype? Which ones not so much?

[WanderingProtagonist]

Standing out like a sore thumb in a foreign culture is not a pleasant experience. Feeling like a perpetual alien can be quite wearying. It can also take its toll on our psychological wellbeing.

One of the things that I love so much about Spain is that, as a European, I'm able to integrate into the host society without problems and go largely unnoticed. I don't look much different from the typical Spaniard, especially when I'm super tanned. In Spain there are also many foreign residents from all over Europe. Even if I do look a little foreign, I don't look any more foreign than, say, the typical Russian, Bulgarian or Romanian immigrant. Moreover, Spanish is the default language in Spain and everybody is expected to speak it. It's completely normal for a foreign resident to speak it. People don't freak out when they hear a foreigner speaking Spanish. So linguistic integration is simple for anybody with intermediate Spanish or above.

In Latin America I look a bit more different to the majority of the population but fortunately all LatAm countries have people of full-blooded European ancestry (either descendants of Spanish criollos or of more recent immigrants from various European countries as diverse as Germany, Switzerland, Croatia, Ireland, etc.) and so I don't feel out of place there either. In Latin America, I like to make myself look less "gringo" through use of Melanotan. I think that pale-skinned Anglos stand out a lot in this region while Europeans with a more Mediterranean skin tone don't. Since I don't like the Anglo phenotype, I naturally aim for a more Mediterranean appearance. As for the language, I speak Spanish with more of a Latin American accent anyway but whenever I'm in a LatAm country I do my best to speak like the people there and adopt as much of their slang and phonological peculiarities as possible. And the culture doesn't seem too foreign either. It is basically Southern European culture transplanted to the New World and mixed with certain indigenous elements. As a European with a love for Spanish culture in particular, I feel perfectly at home in the continent's colonial cities.

Japan however was a completely different story. No matter how much I learned Japanese and attempted to follow social customs, I always stood out tremendously and was regarded by many as a curiosity. Obsessive tanning and body modifications wouldn't do me any good either. To the Japanese I will always have the exotic face of a "gaijin". Integration into Japanese society is tricky for a Caucasian foreigner. Some people will automatically be afraid of you and even start to panic as soon as you attempt to interact with them (many Japanese don't have a clue how to interact with foreigners). You utter some phrases in smooth and well-pronounced Japanese and some people will be utterly dumbfounded that a foreigner is able to speak their language and just give you a look of confusion. From time to time you even meet Japanese people who doubt that any White person could ever speak their language. I once went to a bank in Kobe and, before I even opened my mouth, the female cashier made an X sign with her hands and sternly warned: "eigo ga dekimasen!" (I don't know English). Then I just casually requested my transaction in Japanese as though nothing had happened. Lol! In Japan, you're eternally a gaijin, an outsider. Most foreigners feel socially alienated at some point. Some even complain about it on the internet. But I ask what the hell they're even doing in Japan in the first place. Japan is supposed to be only for Japanese people and isolated from the rest of the world. That's just how their culture is. Leave them be!

I certainly prefer to live in a country into which I can easily integrate, both culturally and linguistically. What about you guys? Which countries can you easily integrate into based on your own ethnicity and phenotype? Which ones not so much?

I'm glad you finally said it, the problem with people is they feel that everywhere should automatically accept them into their society. Black people are especially guilty of this shit, if they don't get their way they cry racism instantly. I would never travel abroad and demand people to change and alter their culture just because I moved there, they didn't ask me to move there so I shouldn't be in their country demanding they change shit like it's America. Here in America people bitch slap this country around yet there are loads of foreigners here that speak their own language but some Jobs expect you to speak Spanish yet they don't require or expect Spanish people to speak English which is bullshit. I mean they are here, so I shouldn't have to learn their language just because they are too f***ing sorry to learn English and it's like this with a lot of these people up here. I had some countries in mind but I don't want to be seen as a fetish.

Thankfully I'm not a dark skinned black person I'm very light skinned the same color Prince was, people even say I look like him and Michael Jackson both so I use to get teased about it a lot. But either way I can't see myself moving to a country where I have to learn the language I rather go where the people already know English. Personally I feel like places like Japan are being ruined and destroyed by liberals from the West so I will always avoid countries that are beholden to the United States. Jew f***s are so obsessed with trying to screw over other countries that are at least safe, clean, and don't have too many problems aside from the usual problems.

I don't know where I even want to travel to anymore. Anywhere with fewer immigrants would be the best choice for me, don't want to go anywhere where nigs are trying to take over or Muslims either. Once I see a place becoming populated by these two groups I'm done with it. Here in the U.S. you have to deal with everyone moving in so you will feel isolated anyway. I feel people are entitled to keep their country how it is and anyone trying to impose on people in their country should either learn to accept shit how it is in those countries or stay the f**k out. I'm not going to travel abroad and expect special treatment if I can't learn the damn language or whatever I have no business being there. That's why I would never travel to a country where people can't speak english very well. I would be lost and to be honest, scared. I personally never go anywhere in the world expecting people to accept or be tolerant of me. The world simply don't have to be if it chooses not to, because I won't openly just accept who ever, I'll discriminate like crazy if I don't like certain people, and don't care.

[MrMan]

Indonesians are used to people from a variety of cultures, at least in Jakarta. I found it a more flexible culture than South Korea. But I do stick out like a sore thumb. But since I speak Indonesian, I can interact with people and make friends. Many of the cultures there really value making people feel accepted and comfortable.

I'm kind of adopted into my wife's tribe, but I never did the cultural ceremonies to complete the adoption, and my adopted father passed away.

[publicduende]

Indonesians are used to people from a variety of cultures, at least in Jakarta. I found it a more flexible culture than South Korea. But I do stick out like a sore thumb. But since I speak Indonesian, I can interact with people and make friends. Many of the cultures there really value making people feel accepted and comfortable.

I'm kind of adopted into my wife's tribe, but I never did the cultural ceremonies to complete the adoption, and my adopted father passed away.

Wow, there's a formal adoption ceremony into an Indonesian tribe?

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Indonesians are used to people from a variety of cultures, at least in Jakarta. I found it a more flexible culture than South Korea. But I do stick out like a sore thumb. But since I speak Indonesian, I can interact with people and make friends. Many of the cultures there really value making people feel accepted and comfortable.

I'm kind of adopted into my wife's tribe, but I never did the cultural ceremonies to complete the adoption, and my adopted father passed away.

Yes.. If your South East Asian, Disabled, Homosexual, Black person from Africa then South Korea will make their country as "unwelcome" as possible.

[MrMan]

Indonesians are used to people from a variety of cultures, at least in Jakarta. I found it a more flexible culture than South Korea. But I do stick out like a sore thumb. But since I speak Indonesian, I can interact with people and make friends. Many of the cultures there really value making people feel accepted and comfortable.

I'm kind of adopted into my wife's tribe, but I never did the cultural ceremonies to complete the adoption, and my adopted father passed away.

Wow, there's a formal adoption ceremony into an Indonesian tribe?

They use 'tribe' when speaking English to refer to 'suku'-- basically a people-group or ethnic group. There are many of them. My wife's tribe has a certain way of adopting people. I assume another party where they speak only the tribe's language, dance, and distribute meat. That's how weddings are.

There are cultural ceremonies to get married. My wife had to give her older sister three fish of a certain kind, arranged a certain way and a valuable gift (a gold necklace) and ask her permission to marry before she did. A friend of ours had something he had to do with a coconut-- I think tying it to his leg, but my memory is fuzzy on that, when he was going to marry his wife.

[MrMan]

I knew some Africans who had settled in Indonesia. There were Africans who had married local, had local girlfriends. For a while in the late 1990's and early 2000's. a lot of Africans were involved in various fraud scams. One was trying to get me to help him get lock box full of money covered in blue ink, for which the ink remover was all gone (acetone). He took the blue off of one hundred dollar bill just as he supposedly ran out of the mysterious liquid (smelled exactly like acetone.) I was probably trying to get me to pay a fee. We'd invited this guy over. My wife's aunt, whose husband was a policeman was over, and we told him that she was asking questions and her husband was a policeman, and he had visa issues, so he should probably stay away. I think that scared him off sufficiently. We didn't want anything to do with the scam and he was scared of the police. There were a lot of Nigerians in the drug trade. I even heard a report that Nigerians robbed a bank, which is crazy because they really stand out like a sore thumb, just like white people if not moreso, over there. Of course, locals from Papua look vaguely similar, but there aren't many of them walking around in Jakarta.

It got so bad the police started rounding up Nigerians. I really they believe they planted the drugs in the restaurant of a guy I knew. They had time to put the powder in capsules before trial. He was eventually executed. Another prisoner admitted to working with the police to set him up. One of the other prisoners said he was set up the same way.

A friend of mine whose parents were from two different African countries who wasn't able to be in the country to be the best man at my wedding said it was hard for him to get taxis. I might have hailed a taxi for him once.

A lot of the Africans were businessmen, buying clothing and shoes and exporting it overseas. The criminals messed it up for them.

[69ixine]

I knew some Africans who had settled in Indonesia. There were Africans who had married local, had local girlfriends. For a while in the late 1990's and early 2000's. a lot of Africans were involved in various fraud scams. One was trying to get me to help him get lock box full of money covered in blue ink, for which the ink remover was all gone (acetone). He took the blue off of one hundred dollar bill just as he supposedly ran out of the mysterious liquid (smelled exactly like acetone.) I was probably trying to get me to pay a fee. We'd invited this guy over. My wife's aunt, whose husband was a policeman was over, and we told him that she was asking questions and her husband was a policeman, and he had visa issues, so he should probably stay away. I think that scared him off sufficiently. We didn't want anything to do with the scam and he was scared of the police. There were a lot of Nigerians in the drug trade. I even heard a report that Nigerians robbed a bank, which is crazy because they really stand out like a sore thumb, just like white people if not moreso, over there. Of course, locals from Papua look vaguely similar, but there aren't many of them walking around in Jakarta.

It got so bad the police started rounding up Nigerians. I really they believe they planted the drugs in the restaurant of a guy I knew. They had time to put the powder in capsules before trial. He was eventually executed. Another prisoner admitted to working with the police to set him up. One of the other prisoners said he was set up the same way.

A friend of mine whose parents were from two different African countries who wasn't able to be in the country to be the best man at my wedding said it was hard for him to get taxis. I might have hailed a taxi for him once.

A lot of the Africans were businessmen, buying clothing and shoes and exporting it overseas. The criminals messed it up for them.

That's horrible!

But MrMan,are you saying indonesians are some of the least racist people in the world and accept foreigners like pinay people do and accept people who want to integrate as one of them?if so,that is a beauty of austronesian culture.

I'd happily marry a evangelical girl that looks like this girl on the second left hand side.

[MrMan]

That's horrible!

But MrMan,are you saying indonesians are some of the least racist people in the world and accept foreigners like pinay people do and accept people who want to integrate as one of them?if so,that is a beauty of austronesian culture.

The government executing blacks might be seen as racist. I think the police were trying to squeeze my friend for money, but he didn't have what they were looking for. And after they arrested him, it would turn out badly for them if they backed down.

I've never been black in Indonesia. I'd say they have 'reverse racism' toward whites, except a lot of vendors charge whites more than locals if they can. There are a number of people groups. Not all of them require you to be adopted in to marry one of them. That is probably a rare thing.

I'd happily marry a evangelical girl that looks like this girl on the second left hand side.

You mean the second going left from the right or the second going left from the right side?

My guess is that is Toraja traditional clothing. My second guess would be Balinese, then Batak.

[69ixine]

That's horrible!

But MrMan,are you saying indonesians are some of the least racist people in the world and accept foreigners like pinay people do and accept people who want to integrate as one of them?if so,that is a beauty of austronesian culture.

The government executing blacks might be seen as racist. I think the police were trying to squeeze my friend for money, but he didn't have what they were looking for. And after they arrested him, it would turn out badly for them if they backed down.

I've never been black in Indonesia. I'd say they have 'reverse racism' toward whites, except a lot of vendors charge whites more than locals if they can. There are a number of people groups. Not all of them require you to be adopted in to marry one of them. That is probably a rare thing.

I'd happily marry a evangelical girl that looks like this girl on the second left hand side.

You mean the second going left from the right or the second going left from the right side?

My guess is that is Toraja traditional clothing. My second guess would be Balinese, then Batak.

second this way _________>

[69ixine]

I couldn't fit in in ethiopia,but I'd sure be joyful with a woman like this.

Looks alot facially like the liteskin african american redbone that liked me and approached me for sex.

[publicduende]

They use 'tribe' when speaking English to refer to 'suku'-- basically a people-group or ethnic group. There are many of them. My wife's tribe has a certain way of adopting people. I assume another party where they speak only the tribe's language, dance, and distribute meat. That's how weddings are.

There are cultural ceremonies to get married. My wife had to give her older sister three fish of a certain kind, arranged a certain way and a valuable gift (a gold necklace) and ask her permission to marry before she did. A friend of ours had something he had to do with a coconut-- I think tying it to his leg, but my memory is fuzzy on that, when he was going to marry his wife.

Interesting. Three fishes and a golden necklace in exchange for a permission to marry isn't bad. I am sure the fish is highly symbolic, unlike the jewelry

That's one of the thing I miss about Filipino culture. The Catholic blanket took away most acts and rituals belonging to a tribe, or pre-colonial culture.

[Lucas88]

I'm glad you finally said it, the problem with people is they feel that everywhere should automatically accept them into their society.

Some societies are more welcoming of foreigners than others. Some countries accept anybody as their own as long as they learn the language to a high level and adopt the social customs (e.g., Brazil) while others are far more insular and make it just about impossible for a foreigner to become a national (e.g., Japan, Korea, etc.). In fact, in Japan many people don't even consider foreign-born Japanese as true compatriots.

In my view, there is no point complaining about the treatment that foreigners often receive in the latter kind of countries. It's just the way those countries are culturally. Dealing with those kind of attitudes simply comes with the territory for those expats who choose to live in such places. Instead, it would be better to search for countries that readily accept foreigners and especially foreigners with our own phenotype as potential expat locations. I see it as more of a practical matter than a moral one.

I would prefer to avoid countries that are difficult to integrate into and limit my HA locations to those which favor people with my phenotype or welcome pretty much anyone. I want to be happy and feel included and not have to deal with the stress of being constantly perceived as an outsider. That's why I won't even consider anywhere like Japan or Korea and would only do the HA thing in Southern Europe or Latin America.

In Japan, White people are generally looked upon favorably but we are still seen more as a curiosity than anything else. I personally can't stand that and find it too stressful. Instead, I prefer to blend in with everyone else and go unnoticed. That's something I can do easily in Spain.