Why does this forum attract cranks and lunatics who have never been abroad (and never will)

[yick]

Rollcall please

@88jose88 @Mercury @WanderingProtagonist @dancilley and I was going to mention the latest reincarnation of PAG but he has been abroad and probably still is.

What about 'Happier Abroad' attracts their them? In their batshit mad world? What is holding them back? In all my time in Asia and Latin America, I have met some bonafide lunatics so lunatics can and do go abroad. Most of the remaining forum members are somewhat sane and are abroad. Not everyone who is back at home who posts here is a lunatic but it seems all the proper lunatics are - the esteemed gentlemen mentioned above are bonafide lunatics.

[Lucas88]

Let me answer your question in two separate parts:

1. Why does Happier Abroad attract cranks and lunatics?

Because Happier Abroad is a largely unregulated forum which features free speech absolutism and an assortment of topics considered "fringe" by the mainstream. Winston from the beginning envisioned it to be an oasis of truth seeking unfettered by taboos or conventions.

Inevitably, this kind of "no-holds-barred" environment, coupled with a willingness to accommodate all kinds of far-out positions, will attract a fair number of cranks, lunatics and eccentrics to the forum, who take full advantage of the free speech absolutism to express opinions that wouldn't ordinarily be permitted on most other platforms.

Then there is the incel factor. Happier Abroad markets itself as men's movement aimed at leaving behind the feminist West and pursuing hotter and more feminine foreign women in exotic dating paradises, so it naturally pulls into its orbit also a subset of the bitter and angry incel crowd. These types either dream of getting a non-Western woman abroad or just want a place to vent about the feminist West, again taking full advantage of the forum's free speech absolutism.

2. What holds some people back?

In the more extreme cases, it might be a low level of functionality. You have to have your mental health sufficiently in order to go out alone and function in the world, let alone make it in another country very different from your own. Some people due to their poor mental health might not meet that requirement.

As for the individuals who you've cited...

@88jose88 openly admits that he has mental health problems and lives in a group home. Needless to say, that makes it difficult for him to follow through with an actionable plan to start a new life in a foreign country, even though he may strongly desire it. Last thing I heard, he was trying to get into employment and save up for a Happier Abroad move. I wish him well.

As for @WanderingProtagonist, I've spoken extensively with him via private message. He doesn't come across as a lunatic, only angry and pessimistic due to how the world around him is going to shit. But as far as I can tell, he's in full possession of his own mind.

@Mercury is obviously a troll who just writes exaggerated nonsense about how 90% of America is supposedly affiliated with a criminal gang or how the US government is throwing men in jail for approaching women. Lol!

@dancilley uses this forum to express his controversial opinions (an understatement!) and post his live streams because this is one of the very few places that will have him—again due to the lax moderation and free speech absolutism.

Summary:

Happier Abroad is really a hybrid of a truther website and expat forum, which caters to an assortment of far-out/fringe topics as part of Winston's truth-seeking and free-speech vision. It isn't a normal expat forum.

Part of Happier Abroad's message appeals to a subset of bitter and angry incels.

So the forum naturally attracts various types of people considered "too eccentric" for polite society.

Some of these people have mental health or other problems and aren't functional enough to start a new life abroad.

[Yohan]

Why does this forum attract cranks and lunatics who have never been abroad (and never will)
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What about 'Happier Abroad' attracts their them? In their batshit mad world? What is holding them back? In all my time in Asia and Latin America, I have met some bonafide lunatics so lunatics can and do go abroad. Most of the remaining forum members are somewhat sane and are abroad.....

I would say, this what you noticed with this HA-forum is typical for America.
Of course in USA are crazy people too, a lot of them.

When I am talking with people from USA I always get the impression that in USA you really can find any kind of a human being you can imagine.

This is not even a bad thing, you just have to look around who fits you and who does not.

I can say however, that all US-citizens I met in person and who are living permanently outside of USA are pretty normal but critical people and do not consider USA as a paradise. They understand as they are able to compare USA with other countries, that USA is not the worst country n the world, but surely also not the best.

The really strange people in the States are often very uneducated, never been abroad, often never been outside their own state, have no passport, but nowadays almost everybody has a computer/internet and showing up in forums like this one.

[WanderingProtagonist]

Let me answer your question in two separate parts:

1. Why does Happier Abroad attract cranks and lunatics?

Because Happier Abroad is a largely unregulated forum which features free speech absolutism and an assortment of topics considered "fringe" by the mainstream. Winston from the beginning envisioned it to be an oasis of truth seeking unfettered by taboos or conventions.

Inevitably, this kind of "no-holds-barred" environment, coupled with a willingness to accommodate all kinds of far-out positions, will attract a fair number of cranks, lunatics and eccentrics to the forum, who take full advantage of the free speech absolutism to express opinions that wouldn't ordinarily be permitted on most other platforms.

Then there is the incel factor. Happier Abroad markets itself as men's movement aimed at leaving behind the feminist West and pursuing hotter and more feminine foreign women in exotic dating paradises, so it naturally pulls into its orbit also a subset of the bitter and angry incel crowd. These types either dream of getting a non-Western woman abroad or just want a place to vent about the feminist West, again taking full advantage of the forum's free speech absolutism.

2. What holds some people back?

In the more extreme cases, it might be a low level of functionality. You have to have your mental health sufficiently in order to go out alone and function in the world, let alone make it in another country very different from your own. Some people due to their poor mental health might not meet that requirement.

As for the individuals who you've cited...

@88jose88 openly admits that he has mental health problems and lives in a group home. Needless to say, that makes it difficult for him to follow through with an actionable plan to start a new life in a foreign country, even though he may strongly desire it. Last thing I heard, he was trying to get into employment and save up for a Happier Abroad move. I wish him well.

As for @WanderingProtagonist, I've spoken extensively with him via private message. He doesn't come across as a lunatic, only angry and pessimistic due to how the world around him is going to shit. But as far as I can tell, he's in full possession of his own mind.

@Mercury is obviously a troll who just writes exaggerated nonsense about how 90% of America is supposedly affiliated with a criminal gang or how the US government is throwing men in jail for approaching women. Lol!

@dancilley uses this forum to express his controversial opinions (an understatement!) and post his live streams because this is one of the very few places that will have him—again due to the lax moderation and free speech absolutism.

Summary:

Happier Abroad is really a hybrid of a truther website and expat forum, which caters to an assortment of far-out/fringe topics as part of Winston's truth-seeking and free-speech vision. It isn't a normal expat forum.

Part of Happier Abroad's message appeals to a subset of bitter and angry incels.

So the forum naturally attracts various types of people considered "too eccentric" for polite society.

Some of these people have mental health or other problems and aren't functional enough to start a new life abroad.

I hardly even post here, and the only reason I bother to is because you are still around. So far you are one of the coolest members that never left and I enjoy the conversations we have and how you talk, your knowledge on a lot of stuff in the real world. And Wintson is not like any other Asian I've ever come across and I respect him for inventing a site like this at all. As far as me being a lunatic goes, I'm just severely depressed and angry a lot about a lot of things that I cannot control but still affect me, like living in a country that's turning a blind eye that's using my tax to fund these shitty wars for Israel.

That really pisses me off more than anything else right now other than circumstances I could control if I put in the effort. Traveling abroad wouldn't really cure what ails me, it could work for some men who may feel that traveling is the answer to any issues they've had in their own homeland. Part of me often look at it as running away vs facing the reality and trying to fix it. Maybe to some extent I am a "lunatic" just not loony enough to start a third world War or weak enough to be bought off and owned by a band of people I'd rather throw into a river of starving Alligators if I were an individual capable of such a thing. So I'll let it be known to Yick that no, I won't be traveling or fleeing from my shitty situation in America. I don't have the energy, drive, or determination to go anywhere anymore. I look at the world right now, and everywhere is turning to shit. Wars, open borders everywhere, back stabbing governments, the coming digital age of currency, etc. I use to think about traveling, but even if I left I would bring my misery along with me. Likewise I don't care if Yick thinks I'm a lunatic or crazy...I could do much worse. Recalling how Tsar was feeling combating suicide. At least one user here tried to encourage him to do it just to prove he was serious about it. And you are honest about this, yeah there are those of us who are mentally unstable for travel. I could go abroad and I wouldn't be a threat or a problem to the locals. But I would still have that anger and bitterness.

[WanderingProtagonist]

Let me answer your question in two separate parts:

1. Why does Happier Abroad attract cranks and lunatics?

Because Happier Abroad is a largely unregulated forum which features free speech absolutism and an assortment of topics considered "fringe" by the mainstream. Winston from the beginning envisioned it to be an oasis of truth seeking unfettered by taboos or conventions.

Inevitably, this kind of "no-holds-barred" environment, coupled with a willingness to accommodate all kinds of far-out positions, will attract a fair number of cranks, lunatics and eccentrics to the forum, who take full advantage of the free speech absolutism to express opinions that wouldn't ordinarily be permitted on most other platforms.

Then there is the incel factor. Happier Abroad markets itself as men's movement aimed at leaving behind the feminist West and pursuing hotter and more feminine foreign women in exotic dating paradises, so it naturally pulls into its orbit also a subset of the bitter and angry incel crowd. These types either dream of getting a non-Western woman abroad or just want a place to vent about the feminist West, again taking full advantage of the forum's free speech absolutism.

2. What holds some people back?

In the more extreme cases, it might be a low level of functionality. You have to have your mental health sufficiently in order to go out alone and function in the world, let alone make it in another country very different from your own. Some people due to their poor mental health might not meet that requirement.

As for the individuals who you've cited...

@88jose88 openly admits that he has mental health problems and lives in a group home. Needless to say, that makes it difficult for him to follow through with an actionable plan to start a new life in a foreign country, even though he may strongly desire it. Last thing I heard, he was trying to get into employment and save up for a Happier Abroad move. I wish him well.

As for @WanderingProtagonist, I've spoken extensively with him via private message. He doesn't come across as a lunatic, only angry and pessimistic due to how the world around him is going to shit. But as far as I can tell, he's in full possession of his own mind.

@Mercury is obviously a troll who just writes exaggerated nonsense about how 90% of America is supposedly affiliated with a criminal gang or how the US government is throwing men in jail for approaching women. Lol!

@dancilley uses this forum to express his controversial opinions (an understatement!) and post his live streams because this is one of the very few places that will have him—again due to the lax moderation and free speech absolutism.

Summary:

Happier Abroad is really a hybrid of a truther website and expat forum, which caters to an assortment of far-out/fringe topics as part of Winston's truth-seeking and free-speech vision. It isn't a normal expat forum.

Part of Happier Abroad's message appeals to a subset of bitter and angry incels.

So the forum naturally attracts various types of people considered "too eccentric" for polite society.

Some of these people have mental health or other problems and aren't functional enough to start a new life abroad.

I hardly even post here, and the only reason I bother to is because you are still around. So far you are one of the coolest members that never left and I enjoy the conversations we have and how you talk, your knowledge on a lot of stuff in the real world. And Wintson is not like any other Asian I've ever come across and I respect him for inventing a site like this at all. As far as me being a lunatic goes, I'm just severely depressed and angry a lot about a lot of things that I cannot control but still affect me, like living in a country that's turning a blind eye that's using my tax to fund these shitty wars for Israel.

That really pisses me off more than anything else right now other than circumstances I could control if I put in the effort. Traveling abroad wouldn't really cure what ails me, it could work for some men who may feel that traveling is the answer to any issues they've had in their own homeland. Part of me often look at it as running away vs facing the reality and trying to fix it. Maybe to some extent I am a "lunatic" just not loony enough to start a third world War or weak enough to be bought off and owned by a band of people I'd rather throw into a river of starving Alligators if I were an individual capable of such a thing. So I'll let it be known to Yick that no, I won't be traveling or fleeing from my shitty situation in America. I don't have the energy, drive, or determination to go anywhere anymore. I look at the world right now, and everywhere is turning to shit. Wars, open borders everywhere, back stabbing governments, the coming digital age of currency, etc. I use to think about traveling, but even if I left I would bring my misery along with me. Likewise I don't care if Yick thinks I'm a lunatic or crazy...I could do much worse. Recalling how Tsar was feeling combating suicide. Some users here tried to encourage him to do it just to prove he was serious about it.

Threats of suicide should always be taken seriously. If people are encouraging someone to kill themselves then it goes to show that they're actually the ones who are mentally ill or exhibiting behaviour of a lunatic. It goes to show that a lot of people here like @Shemp are just callous arseholes with no empathy for others.

As for yourself, best thing (the only thing) you can do about it is just try to improve your own life as much as possible through edifying things such as hobbies and passions etc. It makes me angry when I think of the current state of the world. It makes me even angrier when dumbass shills for the system bleat about how glorious it is to live as slaves under tyrannical psychopaths.

Just need to be more relaxed I guess. Accepting that my favorite decade ended about 20+ years ago is hard itself....I swear I'd do anything to be living in 1991 again coming down stairs to eat a bowl of Batman cereal. I was thinking about going to see my grandmother just so I can ride the grayhound bus and remind myself how much I use to love doing that. The only downside is that the bus stations no longer have those arcade machines anymore, at least I don't think they do. It's been years since I've ridden the grayhound anywhere.

[Lucas88]

Maybe to some extent I am a "lunatic" just not loony enough to start a third world War or weak enough to be bought off and owned by a band of people I'd rather throw into a river of starving Alligators if I were an individual capable of such a thing. So I'll let it be known to Yick that no, I won't be traveling or fleeing from my shitty situation in America. I don't have the energy, drive, or determination to go anywhere anymore. I look at the world right now, and everywhere is turning to shit. Wars, open borders everywhere, back stabbing governments, the coming digital age of currency, etc. I use to think about traveling, but even if I left I would bring my misery along with me. Likewise I don't care if Yick thinks I'm a lunatic or crazy...I could do much worse. Recalling how Tsar was feeling combating suicide. At least one user here tried to encourage him to do it just to prove he was serious about it. And you are honest about this, yeah there are those of us who are mentally unstable for travel. I could go abroad and I wouldn't be a threat or a problem to the locals. But I would still have that anger and bitterness.

I don't think that you're a lunatic at all. You're rightfully pissed off that your own country and the rest of the West are going to utter shit under a hostile cabal that wants to destroy us, with economic conditions getting worse, the third world pouring in everywhere, crime levels going through the roof, weirdo freaks promoting LGBT garbage in schools, and psychopathic Jewish Kabbalist scumbags buying off politicians and attempting to lead the world into WW3 inspired by their "Messianic" bullshit. At least you care and are indignant enough to speak out about it!

Rather it's the people who don't care or want everyone else to ignore all of this stuff and pretend that everything is okay that are truly the insane ones, in my humble opinion.

I hope that they enjoy "owning nuh-zing und being happy!" in Klaus Schwab's NWO utopia or being good Noahides post-2030.

But coming back to the topic at hand, I don't think that you're a lunatic, just rightfully pissed off about how much worse the world is becoming under the current scumbag elites (and yes, it's not just the US, the same crap is happening in other places too due to globalization).

Anyway, I can understand your depression. I used to suffer from depression quite bad in my early to mid 20s. The best thing you can do, in my experience, is develop hobbies that build you up in some way and give you satisfaction (I became obsessed with MMA training, fitness and writing).

Psilocybin mushrooms or similar psychedelics like Ayahuasca might also help to reset your brain. @Pixel--Dude and I have both taken psychedelics on multiple occasions and they seem to be good for numerous mental health conditions.

[MrMan]

I have seen people who seem to be ideology off their rocker on here.... in my opinion. That doesn't mean I think they are crazy. People can have issues with depression, etc. without being crazy.

Btw, did @88jose88 actually go abroad for a while?

We got a couple of people on the forum who have interest in girls that are younger than what is socially acceptable, and illegal if they performed certain activities with them. Most forums wouldn't tolerate their presence outside of the dark web. This is a free speech forum, but even that is censored and people have been kicked off for a while, I think, for that. I don't know if anyone has acted on that, and the two I am thinking of have talked about marrying teens, which is probably legal if they stay in the US to do it, but maybe not overseas if they are Americans.

I don't know that Mercury has actual sanity issues. That is assuming he doesn't believe the stuff he posts and likes to exaggerate. Satire as a rant maybe. He had people believing him during Covid 19, because the world was so weird and extreme it was hard to tell what is real.

I think we get too many people poisoned by blackpill incel ideology, which is the extreme end of manosphere posts. That is probably one of the factors that leads to depression and suicidal thoughts. From what I gather, part of the ideology is that the main 'good' a man pursues is sex, and the other tenant is that it is hopeless for incels to attain it. That is at odds with the happier/abroad (which has more or less been named Passport Bro) idea that one can go abroad and get a better broad.

Back 10 or so years ago, there was a poster on this forum who seemed to hate women because they bled once a month and he kept posting about throwing acid in their faces. It was dark, and he was actually booted from the forum. I don't know if he was mentally ill, but he certainly seemed morally off base. There was someone else posting who seemed to think that because social media fed him ads for 'Bad Boy', the movie, it was saying he was a bad boy. But I'm thinking I saw the picture later and it could have been one of PAG's personas.

There was an Indian guy who seemed to indiscriminantly believe in all kinds of conspiracy theories, from aliens, to the illuminati wanting us to have bad gut bacteria. HouseMD found that last comment hilarious. I think he left because he was getting mocked here. He posted about having discovered conspiracy as if it were liberating. I suggested he pick and choose conspiracies that made sense rather than accepting them all.

Then there are people who hold or have held to anti-semitic conspiracies.

[kangarunner]

I would say, this what you noticed with this HA-forum is typical for America.
Of course in USA are crazy people too, a lot of them.

Another way to look at it is if people see crazy things happening, then it's due to a system that's in place that makes people go a little bit crazy to begin with.

"Crazy" is a general word. There's a lot of selfish and cruel people and a lot of bullies.

Crazy is also a very bad thing to say to someone, because it gaslights a person into thinking they are actually crazy.

I can say however, that all US-citizens I met in person and who are living permanently outside of USA are pretty normal but critical people and do not consider USA as a paradise. They understand as they are able to compare USA with other countries, that USA is not the worst country n the world, but surely also not the best.

When you're in a country that has a system, everyone will conform to the rules and become compliant, even if they don't want to and they're consciousness disagrees with what's going on. What's going on in America is they're going about their day to day lives, going to work, and going home and they're consciously repressing the thoughts that bad things happen, repressing their own thoughts of how awful, nasty, and cruel people can be in America, and then putting their head up every day and saying, "Everything's going to be fine if we just have hope".

The really strange people in the States are often very uneducated, never been abroad, often never been outside their own state, have no passport, but nowadays almost everybody has a computer/internet and showing up in forums like this one.

People will believe in something because it makes them feel a sense of belonging. Everyone has a natural need to believe in something.