Could Rock be a spy, intelligence operative, or fugitive? lol

Dogboy86 · Post by **Dogboy86** » June 20th, 2012, 2:18 pm

Winston, I think you need to stop stalking Rock and get off his Jock. I for one enjoyed reading his posts but he has all but disappeared since this and the thread where you tried calling him a liar about Taiwanese girls. If I was him I would feel disrespected and betrayed by someone I had done nothing but tried to help and spend time with...

Post by **Winston** » June 20th, 2012, 2:24 pm

Dogboy86 wrote:Winston, I think you need to stop stalking Rock and get off his Jock. I for one enjoyed reading his posts but he has all but disappeared since this and the thread where you tried calling him a liar about Taiwanese girls. If I was him I would feel disrespected and betrayed by someone I had done nothing but tried to help and spend time with...

Well I should be the one who's pissed. He deceived me and gave me false hope for 3 years, and he lied/exaggerated about everyone being able to easily cold approach girls here in Taiwan.

I would have thought that he'd find this thread amusing and get a kick out of it. The dialogue I wrote in the OP was pretty creative wasn't it? It was like something from Star Wars. lol

Fenix · Post by **Fenix** » June 20th, 2012, 3:08 pm

The only person you are deceiving is yourself, Winston. How many times do we have to tell you that Taiwanese don't like you? Reality checks are free, I suggest you get one!

You need to go to China and/or Thailand and get out of your parents' basement. You praise Chinese women so much, but you haven't even got a ticket to China huh? What's stopping you now? Busy doing more "projects."

What you are doing is torturing yourself. Stop the suffering!

Dogboy86 · Post by **Dogboy86** » June 20th, 2012, 3:10 pm

Winston didn't Rock invite you and offer to pay for your plane ticket to go with him to Thailand? I don't think his success or even exaggeration of success should effect you in the slightest way. Every persons perception and experiences are differant, every measure of success unique to that individual. Don't be obtuse Winston, you found the Philippines a better place for everything then Ph_visitor did, couldn't another person do better in Taiwan then you?

eurobrat · Post by **eurobrat** » June 20th, 2012, 6:02 pm

davewe · Post by **davewe** » June 20th, 2012, 6:58 pm

Winston wrote: Well I should be the one who's pissed. He deceived me and gave me false hope for 3 years, and he lied/exaggerated about everyone being able to easily cold approach girls here in Taiwan.

He gave you false hope? You must be delusional! This is your website, predicated on the notion that if you aren't doing well with women in one place, the answer is to get off you ass and move!

Even now that you vehemently claim that he lied to you about women in Taiwan, where are you living? Taiwan. Everyone's told you the answer Winston - take your own advise and move!

OTOH, if Rock, who routinely criticized other members (including his good buddy Winston) all in the name of truth of course, is really avoiding HA because his feelings are hurt by Winston's scathing wit - well then he is not the man he pretended to be. I have a feeling there are missing pieces to this puzzle. I was not always a fan of Rock's but I can't believe he would take his ball home because of Winston's high-school level rantings.

Blue Murder · Post by **Blue Murder** » June 20th, 2012, 8:15 pm

I'm going to end this thread with one comment.

If you don't like the place you're in, and you have the means to leave, leave.

Repatriate · Post by **Repatriate** » June 20th, 2012, 8:55 pm

I don't see what the big shocker here is.

The biggest criticism this person has against Rock is that he's a massive whoremonger who spent a lot of time on whoremonger forums and lied or misled people about his identity on the internet. Big f***ing whoop. 99% of the expats you see abroad are massive whoremongers who lie about their past. Unless Rock has actually done serious things like murder, con, and rape people I couldn't care less about the other stuff.

This is also precisely why I don't meet people abroad from the internet. It's just too shady most of the time.

Post by **Winston** » June 21st, 2012, 1:39 am

Dogboy86 wrote:Winston didn't Rock invite you and offer to pay for your plane ticket to go with him to Thailand? I don't think his success or even exaggeration of success should effect you in the slightest way. Every persons perception and experiences are differant, every measure of success unique to that individual. Don't be obtuse Winston, you found the Philippines a better place for everything then Ph_visitor did, couldn't another person do better in Taiwan then you?

No he didn't offer to pay for anything. He just offered to show me around. You must have gotten mixed up with Mr S's post where he wrongly said that I wouldn't go to Thailand unless someone paid for my ticket there, which is not true. I can easily afford to go to Thailand, so that claim makes no sense. But as you know, lies are remembered by the brain more often than truths are. Weird how that is.

I told you, you don't know him and you have no proof of his credibility. Just because a man says "I am honest. I never lie." doesn't make it so. Do you understand that? Esp when this guy has no references and no one even knows his first name. And esp when this guy claims to have slept with 100 women in Taiwan, the most conservative country in the world, which is a really far fetched claim.

Sure, some guys can do better than me. That's not in dispute. Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension? That's not what's being disputed here. What I proved wrong was Rock's claim that EVERYONE or most guys, can pick up and cold approach girls in Taiwan easily. That is TOTALLY FALSE, for the 10 reasons I elaborated on in the other thread where I presented 10 lines of evidence, including photos from a nightclub, and letters from expats.

Do you understand? I've explained this hundreds of times. How many more times do I have to explain that to you?

Why do you assume that Rock is "kind and honest" by default with no evidence other than his words? Why are you so easily taken in? Why do you give him the benefit of the doubt? Why do you have a bias toward him? Is it because liars are more likable than honest people?

"The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." - H. L. Mencken

Btw, I just remembered something interesting. Last year, Rock sent me a text message by mistake. It was meant for some guy named David that he was having a scuffle with. In it, Rock shamed David and implied that he was a loser, and said that the lingerie model in China that David liked ended up sleeping with him instead. It was odd. Rock later told me that he sent that to me by mistake. But who knows? Maybe he sent that to me deliberately to show off again?

Either that, or the universe was trying to tell me something about him by causing him to make that boo boo. Sometimes, the universe leaves little clues, signs and omens for you, which you can pick up on if you are attentive and aware.

It does seem though, that Rock has a pattern of shaming others and inflating his success with the illusion that "every woman wants me" which is typical of insecure Western males in Asia. His text to David reflects that too.

In reality, I've only seen him with unattractive women that no one wants. So it's far fetched that he was able to bag a lingerie model in China, or 100 women in Taiwan, the most conservative country in the world.

I know an expat here named Mark, who's lived in Taiwan for 15 years. He meets a lot of women, but strikes out with a lot of them too. He does not make over the top claims like Rock does. When I told him that Rock has been claiming for three years that "every guy can cold approach and pick up girls in Taiwan except me", he told me that Rock sounds like some narcissist. What's interesting is that Mark actually introduced me to 4 or 5 girls in Taiwan, and also to his American niece who visited here. Yet Rock, the big mack daddy in Taiwan who's bagged 100 chicks, he claims, has introduced me to 0.00 women. LOL

It would appear that Rock is ALL TALK AND NO ACTION, NO PROOF, NO EVIDENCE, JUST BIG CLAIMS! LOL Is that the kind of guy you admire dogboy? Why do you see nothing wrong with any of this, but you do in my posts? Could it be because, per the quote above, a liar is more likable than a truth teller? If so, what a sad world we live in... don't you think?

Wouldn't I be more likable and popular if I lied and BSed about my accomplishments? Would you prefer that? Why not? The liars here don't suffer any ridicule, so doesn't it pay better to be a liar rather than a truth teller? Seriously. Tell me. How about I start BSing about my accomplishments and everything from now on? You want that? Liars are more popular after all...

One more thing dogboy. Rock is the one who started all this. Before I posted that thread with those 10 reasons why Rock is wrong, he blew up at me during a cell phone text message exchange over a little misunderstanding about his tenant's height, which I mixed up with a Norwegian guy he told me about, which was no big deal. Normally, Rock is mellow and easygoing, so for him to "blow a fuse" is unusual. Usually, when a normally calm person loses his temper over little things, it means he is going through some turmoil or big personal problems. You know what I mean? Anyway, after he blew his fuse, he started trying to shame me with his old "everyone can approach and pick up girls in Taiwan" spiel. Then he cited his tenant, a dark skinned 5ft5 East Indian guy, as being able to pick up girls and get dates in Taipei. That's when I had it with his lies and BS. So I created that elaborate thread of 10 logical reasons why Rock was wrong about Taiwan. Understand?

Btw, regarding Rock's tenant, when he called me, he told me that he had been rejected by hundreds of girls in Taipei, but through the sheer numbers game, he managed to get 11 dates nevertheless. Of those 11 dates, half of them lost interest in him after the first date. He also told me that his main problem was that he kept getting "friend zoned" by girls due to his lack of seduction technique. I told him that was a BS myth perpetuated by the PUA industry, and that in reality, if a girl only likes you as a friend, you can't do anything about it. If you aren't her type, then you aren't her type. You can really manipulate her into having romance and chemistry with you if she doesn't want it. That's not realistic and even if you could, she'd hate you for it later.

Anyhow, what he told me was vastly different than what Rock claimed about him.

Davewe wrote: He gave you false hope? You must be delusional! This is your website, predicated on the notion that if you aren't doing well with women in one place, the answer is to get off you ass and move!

Even now that you vehemently claim that he lied to you about women in Taiwan, where are you living? Taiwan. Everyone's told you the answer Winston - take your own advise and move!

OTOH, if Rock, who routinely criticized other members (including his good buddy Winston) all in the name of truth of course, is really avoiding HA because his feelings are hurt by Winston's scathing wit - well then he is not the man he pretended to be. I have a feeling there are missing pieces to this puzzle. I was not always a fan of Rock's but I can't believe he would take his ball home because of Winston's high-school level rantings.

Yes he gave me false hope. See above. In summary, he gave me false hope in two ways:

1. He constantly claimed that Taiwan girls were approachable and easy to meet - for everyone, not just him. All I had to do was be proactive, develop guts, and fix my dress style and weight.
2. He constantly claimed that every guy or most guys, were able to cold approach and pick up girls in Taiwan easily. He implied that all I had to do was fix a few things, and Taiwan would be a dating paradise for me too.

NEVER HAPPENED. TOTALLY FALSE. I elaborated on 10 reasons why, showed photos from a nightclub, and letters from honest realistic expats. Davewe, how would you like it if someone gave you false hope for years about getting girls in your hometown, claiming that it easy and that you had to keep trying and that every other guy has had success except you. Wouldn't that piss you off too?

Let me tell you the brutally honest truth with no holds barred:

It is REALLY REALLY FRICKING UNCOMFORTABLE trying to approach girls here. I SWEAR! I experience that every fricking day! It feels so FRICKING UNNATURAL and totally AGAINST the flow of things to try to approach or chat up girls here! f**k man! So how the f**k can it be so "easy" to meet and approach girls in Taiwan? NO f***ing WAY MAN! I SWEAR TO GOD! I SWEAR!!! Even if the girls here are really nice, still, would you want to try to approach a girl if it always felt so FRICKING UNNATURAL and AGAINST THE FLOW of things?! WOULD YOU? HUH?! How would that make you feel?! TELL ME!!! Do you like always going AGAINST the flow of things? Where's the peace or fun in that?!

Given this reality, anyone can see that Rock's claims were totally false and untrue. Yet he takes no flak here for it. I guess it pays better to be a liar than an honest truth teller. Maybe I should change hats and start BSing, since it makes you more popular. What do you think?

I'm not living in Taiwan. If I were, I'd have bought a car or scooter by now. I'm just doing some projects, but time goes by so fast and everything takes forever, and I have no time management skills. I was planning to leave here in January 2012, which seemed like yesterday! WTF?!

Yes you are right. There is something suspicious about Rock. You can never tell with someone who is so secretive about his identity and name. No one I know refuses to tell me their first name.

Rock and I have had many debates here in the past. He can take the heat. It's nothing new to him. So I don't know what happened to him this time. Maybe the 10 logical reasons thread was overwhelming to him. Maybe this thread implicating him with the Illuminati or secret intelligence blew his cover? lol. Or maybe he has some personal problems, as I indicated above when he blew up at me over a little thing. Or some combination of the above.

Last I heard, he was going to America. So maybe he had some business there. However, when he goes there, he usually logs in and posts routinely still. Maybe this time he has some big problems to deal with there, such as one of his investments went awry, which was why he blew up at me over a little thing, which was out of character for him. Or it maybe its one of the reasons above. Who knows. He is an odd fellow though, highly intelligent, but highly shady and suspicious as well.

Repatriate wrote: I don't see what the big shocker here is.

The biggest criticism this person has against Rock is that he's a massive whoremonger who spent a lot of time on whoremonger forums and lied or misled people about his identity on the internet. Big f***ing whoop. 99% of the expats you see abroad are massive whoremongers who lie about their past. Unless Rock has actually done serious things like murder, con, and rape people I couldn't care less about the other stuff.

This is also precisely why I don't meet people abroad from the internet. It's just too shady most of the time.

Yeah well that's not what Rock claims. He claims that he's not a whoremonger because he always gets laid for free, which is almost every Western guy claims. Most Western guys are not that honest about their accomplishments you know.

You don't know what Rock has done in the past. It's an unknown. But it's suspicious that he checks into hotels with fake names. I don't know anyone who does that. Usually only a fugitive does that.

Most of my meetings from the internet are good experiences. You are too negative and cynical.

So are you saying that it's ok to lie and BS because everyone else does it? lol

What does that make me, refreshingly honest? If so, then why do I take flak while BSers don't take any here?

gggg · Post by **gggg** » June 21st, 2012, 12:55 pm

Winston, in answer to your questions, I am 100% sure, based solely on reading the posts.
I guess I would call it a "prepon....of the evidence...". No, I never met him. I don't
even post on all those aforementioned forums...I just read them every few weeks
(and I'm very critical
and usually disgusted by most of what I read, but some of it is entertaining and sometimes
educational, so I keep doing it). I probably will never post here either, even though this
forum is a large step above the other two. (still, i'm very critical of most of what i read
here). I do travel alot, so its interesting. Anyway, the point is, if you read the hkasiaphile
posts you will agree it's rock (on wsg....unless he deleted them all...). I can't remember his
name on isg though. Just reading his posts (across all the forums), the guy just gives me
the creeps. I don't have to "meet" somebody to know what they're like. A few funny
observations: (1) On wsg, some new members sometimes join and ask if others want to
"meet up", which is kind of strange. Hkasia....often wrote stuff like, "WTF...why would
anyone want to meet up?". (2) When he gave his "report" on his indian roomate in the disco
(whom he accompanied so the guy wouldn't look "alone"), he never mentioned what the guys
intentions are/were? Only 1 night stands? Longer-term relationships? Did these guy realize
that girls with any intelligence at all want to know WHY they are being "approached". Do girls "know" that guys play a "numbers game"? Do girls like to part of that game?

Dogboy86 · Post by **Dogboy86** » June 21st, 2012, 1:25 pm

Never said I admired him Winston, just liked reading his posts. His posts were well writen and a fun read. I don't place stock in internet personalities for any form of truth, only for entertainment and sometimes interesting ideas. If I have correspondence with someone and they strike me as real or we have something in common that I may judge their honesty by that is differant. Women are far to subjective a creature to judge anyone by, in reality or in their rendition of encounters.

If I was to relay my encounters here many would call me a BSer so I keep what I know to myself and some close friends that have seen and lived these experiences with me...

Post by **Winston** » June 21st, 2012, 1:43 pm

gggg wrote:Winston, in answer to your questions, I am 100% sure, based solely on reading the posts.
I guess I would call it a "prepon....of the evidence...". No, I never met him. I don't
even post on all those aforementioned forums...I just read them every few weeks
(and I'm very critical
and usually disgusted by most of what I read, but some of it is entertaining and sometimes
educational, so I keep doing it). I probably will never post here either, even though this
forum is a large step above the other two. (still, i'm very critical of most of what i read
here). I do travel alot, so its interesting. Anyway, the point is, if you read the hkasiaphile
posts you will agree it's rock (on wsg....unless he deleted them all...). I can't remember his
name on isg though. Just reading his posts (across all the forums), the guy just gives me
the creeps. I don't have to "meet" somebody to know what they're like. A few funny
observations: (1) On wsg, some new members sometimes join and ask if others want to
"meet up", which is kind of strange. Hkasia....often wrote stuff like, "WTF...why would
anyone want to meet up?". (2) When he gave his "report" on his indian roomate in the disco
(whom he accompanied so the guy wouldn't look "alone"), he never mentioned what the guys
intentions are/were? Only 1 night stands? Longer-term relationships? Did these guy realize
that girls with any intelligence at all want to know WHY they are being "approached". Do girls "know" that guys play a "numbers game"? Do girls like to part of that game?

100 percent sure of what? If you don't like the idea of approaching or picking up girls, then why do you browse sites like WSG or ISG?

If you meet Rock, you will see that he is a likable guy who sounds very intelligent and knowledgeable. It's just that a lot of his behaviors are suspicious and his claims are too over the top. He likes to talk big, but he does it selectively and subtlely so you don't always notice. Plus he's too fixated on picking up women and doesn't try to cultivate himself spiritually or enrich his inner self.

Next time, don't use IE browser to post here. It has compatibility issues. But the new version of IE seems to work ok here. Use a different browser.

steve55 · Post by **steve55** » June 22nd, 2012, 9:31 am

Winston, did you scare rock away?? Shame on you! Bahahahaha. Well, I hope he will come back. Your theories on him are very entertaining.

PS- I 100% agree that Taiwan woman appear to be as unapproachable as American women. You can always read it in their faces. Photos alone can be very telling about a lady's approachability and those photos you posted are enough to convince me. Man, I can read "cold stuck up bitchitis" a mile away and those ladies look it to me.

Rock · Post by **Rock** » June 23rd, 2012, 5:19 am

Wow, I disappear for a few weeks and now I'm on trial! Why is it when Momopi or Lad don't show-up for awhile, nobody says anything, lol?

I received the following email from my tenant, Monkro just a couple days ago entitled "More false crap from Winston":

Hi [Rock].

I noticed that Winston posted some crap on Wednesday, June 20:

viewtopic.php?t=14118

Winston mentioned my phone call to him. One thing he said about me is not entirely true. About me, Winston said, â€œDuring our conversation, when I asked about Rock, he told me that Rock specifically told him not to tell me where he is or how long he will be gone.â€

I said that Rock told me not to discuss his whereabouts with â€œanyoneâ€. I clearly remember telling Winston, â€œRock never mentioned your name nor anyone elseâ€™s specifically. He just doesnâ€™t want me discussing his whereabouts with anyone.â€

[Rock], I take your privacy as seriously as I take my own. I donâ€™t gossip. With every question Winston asked me about you, I told him, â€œI can talk about myself, but I cannot talk anything regarding Rock.â€

Please call me if you have any questions regarding this matter, and I will be happy to answer all your questions.

Thanks,
[Monkro]

The post he was referring to started out as "Rock is probably looking at this thread and rolling his eyes...". Since then, several other posts have been added to the thread.

I'll try to address a couple points made by you and other(s) now and follow-up with more when I have time.

Absence Posting on this forum has gotten tedious and unrewarding for me as of late so I decided to lay-off during my US travels and enjoy a break from the drama here, lol. All my writings on Taiwan have been made sincerely and truthfully according to my own experiences, beliefs, and perceptions. I had hoped to help certain readers - especially average looking younger westerners fitting the introverted beta male category of guys who get ignored at home - discover Taiwan as a viable life alternative to the usual Asian suspects of Thailand, PI, and even China. It certainly transformed my own life and I believed it could do so for some other guys whose style and personality click with the Taiwan vibe. I truly feel blessed.

But, I've also acknowledged that most of my own experience is dated and that things may have changed. So I've looked to more recent case studies - French tenant, Monkro, Dragonboy, and even back to myself as of late (post ex-gf). It's worth noting that of these cases, only the French tenant falls within my target age bracket (Taiwan is not an old man's country as I've posted before). The admittedly anecdotal data-points suggest to me that while Taiwan may not be as easy as it once was for Joe westerner, it still provides a strong handicap to many who fit within my target group vis-a-vis not only the west but even other Asian countries. So what have I witnessed more recently first-hand?

- Dragonboy: Surprised me the most. During his recent brief Taiwan visits, he achieved intimacy with 3 new girls and an additional one from his past. Of the new ones, one was a very cute girl 16 years his junior. Another one was around 10 years younger and also cute. He met one at a Taichung Halloween party, one near the Tainan Train station, and one on the Taipei MRT. It's worth noting that while he does not speak fluent Chinese and has a sloppy unkempt dress style, he has a long history in Taiwan, was very good looking when young, and has developed some strong seduction skills which seem to work well under certain conditions. But I also noticed that in the young and beautiful people Taipei clubs such as Luxy, he gets totally ignored. Right before he returned to the States, he tried to set me up with the cutest one of his dates but she was not interested, lol.

- Monkro: As of June 21, he's approached roughly 90 girls (in spite of Winston's exaggerated claim of 100s from another post) and gone out on dates with 13 of them, some several times. He also has an additional 2 in the pipeline. Of these, he brought just one back to his room but she would not even kiss him, lol. He's also made a few cool local male friends including one who recently worked as a gigolo at a male host club.

In theory, Monkro should do very well here and find it easy to get a real gf or to just romantically serial date. Even though he's not tall and is of Indian descent, he's stylish, lighter dark skinned, well built, and can easily pass for Latino. And his exceptionally youthful appearance means he generally gets pegged as a student. He also loves the Chinese language, food, and culture.

So why does he seem to get friend-zoned so much by Taiwan gals? Although I've not double dated with him (he likes to date privately), I suspect that he acts too much like a polite nice guy, is poor at reading the girl's body language, and has not figured out how to gradually escalate things from talk to getting physical. Monkro agrees with my theory and is now reading a book on how to stimulate romantic attraction in women and transition to physical contact on dates. He's a work-in-progress and I have confidence that he will do very well in the longer run. BTW, he likes Taiwan so much that he's decided to permanently relocate to Taipei after a brief summer visit home.

- French Tenant: During his few month stay, he pulled over 10 local girls to the apartment for overnight stays, some on multiple occasions. He tried to get serious with a couple of them but they just wanted to keep things casual (poor guy). He actually got hurt by one of them, lol. He also claimed that a few of girls at his uni had expressed interest in him but he preferred to stick with more anonymous girls he met at clubs. I personally met one of the girls from his class who seemed interested in him when he first moved in.

gggg You don't like my posts here on HA which is fine. But I'm not the person you think I am from other forums so I wish you would stop making false accusations. The only other forum related to travel, women, or living abroad Iâ€™ve ever posted on is ISG where I made a whopping 29 posts between 2005 and 2011 under my one and only screen name there â€“ Taiwan Laowai. I've never posted on WSG though I have registered there under that same ISG username. My last post on ISG was made on October 6, 2011 under the Dominican Republic Travel Announcements section. You should easily be able to find all my posts if you search under my handle there. Moreover, I am indeed from Illinois but often spend time in SW Florida during trips back since my parents go there during winters and I'm a big fan of warm sunny weather. Finally, I've personally met several posters on this forum including the most senior ones - Winston, Momopi, Ladislav, steve55, Dragonboy, Gits, ManInSiam, and Mongkro. I also invited several female friends to check-out this site and two of them have signed-up and posted - Jeygonza and Pinay Teacher. Of all these members I know, I've only bar-hopped with Winston, Dragonboy, and Mongkro.

Verification I see this as an important step which should be addressed to enhance the credibility of various claims made by posters on the Internet including this forum. I have some ideas about this which I will elaborate on soon in a follow-up post.

Repatriate · Post by **Repatriate** » June 23rd, 2012, 6:27 am

It's good to see you back Rock.

Manufactured or not your posts are some of the more interesting ones around here. Plus why does Winston have such a bug up his ass about you?