A Man that's a 28 Year Old Virgin

[Wolfeye]

Tsar: You think you'd get off on her tears & screams? What the f**k is wrong with you? Jesus Jumping H. Christ! I'd think if you were concerned with pride, ego, or honor that would be lower on the list than paying for a hooker's services. So would getting raped by someone FOR that.

[Tsar]

I didn't take offense to anything Ghost of S_Parc said but I do have a question for them and anyone else:

Is it really delusional and is someone such in a fantasy mindset if:

1. He want wants his first time to be with a virgin (another way of wording it is that he wants his first time to be taking a girl's virginity).
2. He wants a youthful girl
3. He wants to experience an emotional and romantic connection
4. He wants more than just the act of sex
5. If his having sex with a whore would most surely damage his pride, ego, and honor
6. That he wants his first kiss to precede sex (which means kissing a virgin girl)
7. Believing using his own money to pay a whore for sex (to lose his virginity) makes him less than a man and affirms/confirms worthless to women
8. Accepting seconds, thirds...or lasts, makes him less of a man

I don't believe it's delusional or a fantasy mindset. I think it's a personal preference and a personal choice. Why should a virgin man lose his virginity to a whore, then other men lose their virginity to virgin girls, or men that aren't virgins take the virginity of virgin girls?

[Ghost]

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[Tsar]

Tsar: You think you'd get off on her tears & screams? What the f**k is wrong with you? Jesus Jumping H. Christ! I'd think if you were concerned with pride, ego, or honor that would be lower on the list than paying for a hooker's services. So would getting raped by someone FOR that.

I didn't say I would ever do that. What I said is raping a whore is about dominance and any female remembers the rapist, while sex with a whore is just sex and she wouldn't remember it but a virgin man would. But a virgin man raping a whore, both remember it.

A virgin man losing his virginity to a virgin girl. Both remember and see it as special.

A virgin girl losing her virginity a non-virgin man, she still sees it as special and always remembers it.

So the only way a whore (non-virgin female) remembers a virgin man (or any man, since a whore always remembers a rapist), is if she was raped by him because aside from experiencing sex for the first time, rape is the second sexual act that a female always remembers.

NOTE: I am not advocating, promoting, or condoning rape. I am only mentioning the theoretical aspect of what a female remembers with a virgin man, and any man.

I couldn't ever get off on something like that and I wouldn't do that, I was just mentioning the theoretical application of what is better for pride and ego, and less damaging to a man's honor.

Let's say a man was told all his life or it was implied, that he wasn't worthy and he was less of a man. If he accepts seconds and has sex with a whore (either p4 or consensual), then doesn't that confirm and affirm everything that the brutes, bullies, and other bastards said or implied about him. That he was less of a man compared to them?

I remember that that's basically how I was and how I was treated. Other guys always being first while I was the last at everything. It would just hurt me emotionally if I believed I was giving in to how everyone else thought of me and sacrificing any hope of redeeming myself first in my eyes, and being able to tell anyone and everyone that I was first in the only thing in my power to control. Whether or not I am with a virgin girl.

[Tsar]

I'd be willing to post a separate thread in the NSFW section of HappierAbroad if you're interested in seeing the Greek escort website and the hot whores that made me more open to the idea (but at the moment still very against losing my virginity to because I want to be able to say that my first time was with a virgin girl, not a whore or an amateur p**n star, which most of the time those latter two are synonymous with each other).

Also, I would never date or marry a whore even if I decided to use one of them. Even if I did lose my virginity to a whore, then I'd be willing to have sex with other attractive whores, but there would be no way I'd ever give gifts to a whore, kiss a whore, give a whore pleasure, or marry a whore.

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But to end it, I would be willing to post a thread on the escort website that I would use if I decided to use such a service assuming I went to Greece and assuming that escort was real (or any escort I decided to use was real) and it wasn't as expensive as I assume it is to use those hot escorts.

I created the thread. I didn't include any pictures from those escort sites at the moment.

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[S_Parc]

Come on, this is deflection. Those things are not the delusional parts. Your standards are good (except that it would help you so much to be open to p4p and I can all but guarantee that losing your virginity will put you in a better state of mind.) I was referring to your ideas about how you will make money, how you will do things on the way to finding your bride. A lot of that stuff is just plain loopy and has a snowball's chance in hell of working. Not that you've tried those besides.

IMO, what was the so-called master plan?

One time, it was doing business with the Russian Mafia in eastern Europe, thinking that they were like Marlon Brando & company in the 1st Godfather movie. Nothing could be further from the truth; the Russian mobs are the most ruthless organized crime syndicates in the globe, executing entire families on whim, not just someone who doesn't pay 'em back. Fortunately, we live in America and much of that nasty stuff is limited over here.

And then, concerning the idea of learning Russian... Pimsleur has a full 90 lessons on it. All of it is available in inter library systems for free. Before I'd gone to Thailand, I did their 30 lessons in a month and a half prior to departure. Each lesson is designed to be performed daily. When he'd said that he only did the 1st 6-8 Pimsleur lessons, while saying for ages earlier that he was highly motivated and excited about meeting Russian people, it's equivalent to saying that "asking for lunch at 1PM" is the same as being a true language student, which is exactly what's covered in the first week of lessons.

Then, he's not even interested in meeting Russian girls (since he wants jailbait) but thinks that he'll win over her parents w/o having spent a critical amount of time learning their language. Why would they trust a random tourist, who doesn't appear like he's got his act together, speaking English, never mind their native tongue?

Seriously, these are not plans. These are delusions.

I only have one suggestion for him. I'm assuming that he's book smart. If so, then study for the medical college admissions test (MCAT), score in the 30s, and then, apply for admissions into some USA medical school. And yes, borrow the money and attend. Even ppl who're not so socially adept, can find jobs as pathologists, radiologists, or anesthesiologists. A lot of their placement success comes from board scores and lack of negative reports on their rotations, not on their charm. If one's worried about paying back the loans, get a job in Omaha NE (yes, doctor jobs pay well in the heartland), and live in a cheap studio apartment there. Afterwards, tell one's future Russian parent-in-laws that one's a doctor and want to marry their daughter. I'm sure there will be some takers.

Aside from the above, I'm not very optimistic.

Plus, I think this topic has been rehashed numerous times and the end result is the same.

[Tsar]

Come on, this is deflection. Those things are not the delusional parts. Your standards are good (except that it would help you so much to be open to p4p and I can all but guarantee that losing your virginity will put you in a better state of mind.) I was referring to your ideas about how you will make money, how you will do things on the way to finding your bride. A lot of that stuff is just plain loopy and has a snowball's chance in hell of working. Not that you've tried those besides.

IMO, what was the so-called master plan?

There is no master plan. It's not worth it to have a plan anymore because the timetable doesn't always work out. So it's a little bit more of chaos mixed in with a rough idea of how it will end. Then focusing on the present and doing things that doesn't involve finding a girl, eventually things will sort themselves out in time because no amount of planning removes chaos which will always be a factor outside one's control in addition to external setbacks not caused through one's own failure but by societal problems or economic problems. If my plans worked out then this year would have been very different than it is now.

So improve myself first. Girl comes later. Rough idea of a plan, but no real plan for a girl now. Planning things short-term for me.

[droid]

The more time goes on the more I am open to going to Europe and using an escort to just lose my virginity, but I wouldn't ever view such women as anything more than harlots and whores. I have a good website in my favorites for Greek escorts that charge 100 Euro but that seems overpriced if it's per hour.
I just don't know how badly I would feel if I used an escort because I am certain it would damage my pride, ego, and honor. If I lost it to a whore (any girl that has had any form of sex) while I am a virgin, then I lose my honor, not gain a boost to my pride, and damage my ego. I'll explain that below after the next paragraph.

It's interesting you're opening to different ideas now. What I've learned in life, and it's a hard pill to swallow, is that there are those things you want, and those you can have. There is no way around adapting somewhat, as there are things beyond our control.

I really don't see how you lose honor and pride by banging a ho, you are a man and you are taking what you want. Let me spin it this way for you: You are the one with the dominance, because you are the one with the intelligence and strength to get the resources SHE panders to you for.

I saw your other thread with the Greek girls, but according to mi general experience I would not advise to get "escorts" as you can be ripped off by not getting the girl from the pic -very common-. It's also somewhat stressful in that meeting someone you don't really know at a set time is uncomfortable, again, she might not be what you expected and get stuck with her.

If you do go to Europe or somewhere else, I would advise to go to bar-brothels instead, that way you can really see what girls you like and take your time, without pressure. You can talk to the girls (great socializing practice), and see if you are compatible (very important) and if she likes doing the same stuff as you. Then you can decide for one, or just have some drinks and go home instead if you feel like it, and try again the following night.
The first time I went to one in Spain I was like a child in a candy store, it was pure euphoria. Having hot girls approach and propose you is an amazing incredible feeling, I don't see why so many guys get hung up on the money part.
I would argue it's actually natural, you are a MALE with some resources and they offer something you really want in exchange for some of those. To rehash the overused term, i would say it's "Alpha".
And also, it doesn't mean you'll be doing this forever, it's just a complement to your life.

I didn't take offense to anything Ghost of S_Parc said but I do have a question for them and anyone else:
Is it really delusional and is someone such in a fantasy mindset if:
1. He want wants his first time to be with a virgin (another way of wording it is that he wants his first time to be taking a girl's virginity).
2. He wants a youthful girl
3. He wants to experience an emotional and romantic connection
4. He wants more than just the act of sex
5. If his having sex with a whore would most surely damage his pride, ego, and honor
6. That he wants his first kiss to precede sex (which means kissing a virgin girl)
7. Believing using his own money to pay a whore for sex (to lose his virginity) makes him less than a man and affirms/confirms worthless to women
8. Accepting seconds, thirds...or lasts, makes him less of a man
I don't believe it's delusional or a fantasy mindset. I think it's a personal preference and a personal choice. Why should a virgin man lose his virginity to a whore, then other men lose their virginity to virgin girls, or men that aren't virgins take the virginity of virgin girls?

It is technically delusional because that doesn't exist anymore, for the most part, so it qualifies as fantasy. I agree those are great standards, but we're not in 1900 anymore

Let's say a man was told all his life or it was implied, that he wasn't worthy and he was less of a man. If he accepts seconds and has sex with a whore (either p4 or consensual), then doesn't that confirm and affirm everything that the brutes, bullies, and other bastards said or implied about him. That he was less of a man compared to them?
I remember that that's basically how I was and how I was treated. Other guys always being first while I was the last at everything. It would just hurt me emotionally if I believed I was giving in to how everyone else thought of me and sacrificing any hope of redeeming myself first in my eyes, and being able to tell anyone and everyone that I was first in the only thing in my power to control. Whether or not I am with a virgin girl.

But if you give that much importance to what others think, then the virgin-at-25 "shame" should outweigh the first-time-with-whore one by now.
So technically, you will be less shamed (or self-shamed) if you claimed you banged a bunch of whores this year.

[Tsar]

Let's say a man was told all his life or it was implied, that he wasn't worthy and he was less of a man. If he accepts seconds and has sex with a whore (either p4 or consensual), then doesn't that confirm and affirm everything that the brutes, bullies, and other bastards said or implied about him. That he was less of a man compared to them?
I remember that that's basically how I was and how I was treated. Other guys always being first while I was the last at everything. It would just hurt me emotionally if I believed I was giving in to how everyone else thought of me and sacrificing any hope of redeeming myself first in my eyes, and being able to tell anyone and everyone that I was first in the only thing in my power to control. Whether or not I am with a virgin girl.

But if you give that much importance to what others think, then the virgin-at-25 "shame" should outweigh the first-time-with-whore one by now.
So technically, you will be less shamed (or self-shamed) if you claimed you banged a bunch of whores this year.

I don't consider being a man that's virgin at 25 as shameful. That's mainly what Hollywood and Western society in general wants people to think of men that are still virgins past their teenage years.

[droid]

I don't consider being a man that's virgin at 25 as shameful. That's mainly what Hollywood and Western society in general wants people to think of men that are still virgins past their teenage years.

You were referring to what others (the brutes, bullies, and other bastards) thought of you. Even if they're no longer around their conception prevails in you it seems.
What is your (greek p4p) motivation then? In my case it is pure lust for women's hot bodies, and interacting in a sexual fashion with them (I'm only referring to when i've done p4p).

[S_Parc]

Droid, Ghost, and others, forget about this dialogue. I'd seen countless iterations of the same theme.

The posterer known as Tsar, is not able to form conversations, meaningless or meaningful, with other adult persons. This is a problem which I'd overcome by the age of 17/18 and thus, was able to be in sales and consulting during my career.

At this point in time, it's a bit too late to reverse the clock.

If I were in Tsar's shoes, I'd do the bare minimum socialization needed, while studying for the MCAT. I knew a few South Asian-Americans (ppl whose parents had emigrated from India) who were very shy, but were able to get into medical school on grades and scores alone. Some of these guys would later get arranged married by their parents. They will not be in the dating scene.

Tsar can do exactly the same, while learning Russian part-time, and then telling his future parents-in-law that his ancestors exited Russia during the 1700s and served under Washington and company during the Revolution. BTW, this is a true story for a lot of Americans, who had to buy their way ("indentured servants") into the new world back in those days, so it's not even farfetched.

And finally, with his student loans paid off, sacking out in a studio in Omaha NE, he'll be able to make that big trip to x.S.S.R republic and land his dream girl.

[Tsar]

The postererknown as Tsar, is not able to form conversations, meaningless or meaningful, with other adult persons. This is a problem which I'd overcome by the age of 17/18 and thus, was able to be in sales and consulting during my career.

At this point in time, it's a bit too late to reverse the clock.

What do you call my threads and posts with other members if you don't call them conversations? Many other posters would disagree with you that my conversations are meaningless.

You are just being overly critical and harsh on me. We don't share the same ideological views and other life circumstances, and you also have had a one generation lead time which gives you a different worldview compared to mine. So because of those difference you choose to throw a personal attack instead of offering constructive dialogue. So I would say your conversation is less meaningless and absolutely worthless.

I can't do small talk as well as other people but that's only because no one wanted to be a friend all throughout my years in school and college.

At this point I have taken offense by your statement which is 100% offensive.

Maybe you should return to your education and take English lessons to improve your spelling. I've underlined your spelling mistake.

I guess I'll just accept that from now on I can expect you to post offensive statements like that which serve no purpose other than to offend me.

[Tsar]

I don't consider being a man that's virgin at 25 as shameful. That's mainly what Hollywood and Western society in general wants people to think of men that are still virgins past their teenage years.

You were referring to what others (the brutes, bullies, and other bastards) thought of you. Even if they're no longer around their conception prevails in you it seems.
What is your (greek p4p) motivation then? In my case it is pure lust for women's hot bodies, and interacting in a sexual fashion with them (I'm only referring to when i've done p4p).

My motivation would be just to get the experience over with and with a hot girl or two, and then be done with it and know what it's like. I can control my feelings of lust and such. So it would purely be just to have the experience just to have it. Then just be done with relationships and females for awhile afterwards.

I've always been last at everything or almost everything. I would be superior to most modern guys if I were to be with a hot virgin.

But if I do go to Greece I would probably do the p4p but do it with two girls at once so I'd feel better about that being my first time (considering it's p4p).

[S_Parc]

Maybe you should return to your education and take English lessons to improve your spelling. I've underlined your spelling mistake.

I guess I'll just accept that from now on I can expect you to post offensive statements like that which serve no purpose other than to offend me.

Actually, there's no proper noun *posterer*, since your alternative, poster, is not a person by a posted sign, as thus, the former is a makeshift idiomatic colloquial expression for the 'Net than an entry in Webster-Merriam.

As for conversing with you, I've had numerous dialogues with you and they continually run in circles. And it's not just me, it's everyone else as well.

Which makes me wonder ... why haven't you studied those 90 Pimsleur lessons?

Also, why haven't you thought of going premed/MCAT, if you're so book smart? Even HouseMD around here has acknowledged that it's the refuge for book smart ppl, who're not good at business. I had once owned a copy of Betz's MCAT review. I'd stopped looking at it, as soon as my overseas assignment had come through at the age of 24. Otherwise, instead of accepting defeat, I would have become a medical student. BTW, do you know what the MCAT is?

I didn't want to go down this path of inquiry but you didn't grow up in a household like mine. My dad would have tossed you onto the streets, years ago. He would have dubbed you as a lazy pseudo-intellectual. For me, the pressure was *on*, all of the time. There were no dillydally ways like studying liberal arts for four years and hoping for the best. It was all practical ... one was an engineer, accountant, pre-med/pre-nursing, labor/construction, police academy, or whatever.

I suspect that in place of the above practical ways of the world, you were allowed to dream around and believe that you were some undiscovered romantic writer of the 1800s. Well, you see the results of that today.

[Tsar]

Maybe you should return to your education and take English lessons to improve your spelling. I've underlined your spelling mistake.

I guess I'll just accept that from now on I can expect you to post offensive statements like that which serve no purpose other than to offend me.

Actually, there's no proper noun *posterer*, since your alternative, poster, is not a person by a posted sign, as thus, the former is a makeshift idiomatic colloquial expression for the 'Net than an entry in Webster-Merriam.

As for conversing with you, I've had numerous dialogues with you and they continually run in circles. And it's not just me, it's everyone else as well.

Which makes me wonder ... why haven't you studied those 90 Pimsleur lessons?

Also, why haven't you thought of going premed/MCAT, if you're so book smart? Even HouseMD around here has acknowledged that it's the refuge for book smart ppl, who're not good at business. I had once owned a copy of Betz's MCAT review. I'd stopped looking at it, as soon as my overseas assignment had come through at the age of 24. Otherwise, instead of accepting defeat, I would have become a medical student. BTW, do you know what the MCAT is?

I didn't want to go down this path of inquiry but you didn't grow up in a household like mine. My dad would have tossed you onto the streets, years ago. He would have dubbed you as a lazy pseudo-intellectual. For me, the pressure was *on*, all of the time. There were no dillydally ways like studying liberal arts for four years and hoping for the best. It was all practical ... one was an engineer, accountant, pre-med/pre-nursing, labor/construction, police academy, or whatever.

I suspect that in place of the above practical ways of the world, you were allowed to dream around and believe that you were some undiscovered romantic writer of the 1800s. Well, you see the results of that today.

If you took the time to read my posts you would see I mentioned I was more open to the idea of using p4p. Look back through my previous threads. Is that just another rehash circle or a different direction?

I know that every graduate program has it's own test that's like the post-SAT for a given area of study. GMAT for business, LSAT for law, and MCAT for Medical.

I majored in business. Going to medical would cost me another 4 years of college, then the MCAT, and then graduate school and then rotations, and then trying to get something lined up with that. At least 12 years of nothing but loneliness and debt. Then that brings me close to age 40 with nothing but an overrated piece of paper and maybe $500,000-$1,000,000 in loans, and nothing to show for it except financial and emotional ruin. There is no way I'm going back to college for anything and I didn't want to become a doctor. That's not good advice. Maybe for a teenager but not someone my age because it's too late for me to go back and waste any more of my life on education and being stuck in America.

Right now I'm less than one-month away from being entirely debt-free so there's no way I'd ruin that for myself. It's better to be a low-income earner than it is to be a low-income debt-serf. The majority of jobs in America, especially for men, are now low-income.

I would say that business is practical. It's just saturated and most private businesses prefer women, minorities, and the LGBT crowd over straight men (white but but overall any race of men).

I have been studying but it takes me longer to learn and memorize everything in each lesson. I will admit I don't use it all 7 days a week for 30 minutes-1 hour although I know I should.