Cornfed wrote:It seems to me that many older men on this forum look down on younger white men for not having large sums of money thrown at them by the system, despite the fact that they are clearly being discriminated against. Apparently they are supposed to have come up with some magical solution to the problem, ensuring that they would be handed lots of money like they would have been in the past, and not doing so makes them inferior to men in the past. This despite the fact that older generations never had to do any such thing and of course failed to do any such thing for the benefit of their children.
Lets take a concrete example. I have an older relative who is now a surgeon of some renown, which of course means he is not exactly living in abject poverty. To me this means he was lucky to get in on a good thing back in the day, passed his exams, accepted his then guaranteed job, turned up to work, was brought forward in an environment where highly skilled older physicians were expected to spend a lot of time training him, and as a bonus he turned out to be talented at what he was doing - something he couldn’t really have know before he started. So of course good for him and he fully deserves his rewards. But some on this forum would think he must be some specially magically superior godlike figure and guaranteed success no matter what.
Now consider if he were applying to med school today. He simply wouldn’t get in. He went to a not so great rural school and his scores, though high, would not now be able to grant him guaranteed access, especially with all the foreign students now admitted. And with affirmative action, he would have no chance of getting in any other way. But, you say, he could have done something else and been equally successful. Well maybe, but looking at the situation, it probably would have been the same story. By the time he graduated, the market likely would be flooded. He would probably be unemployed now if subjected to conditions anything like faced by current young Western men. But you say, he would have thought of something, since he must be so brilliant because the system hands him much money. I can tell you with some confidence that he wouldn’t. He was and is a classic study & work hard and play by the rules and you will be rewarded guy, and luckily for both him and the world he got in on the tail end of a world where that worked.
So could people criticizing young men for being “basement dwelling losers” please tell me why they are inferior to my relative, when they could have been him if only they had been born in the right time, and what exactly they are supposed to do, or what you imagine he would do in their place.
No, you're right. It's about time someone made a post about this. Especially someone in an older generation - it is really appreciated. This is the gist of what I've felt my whole life. I have many angry sentiments toward the boomers because I also see how shortsighted, blind and ignorant they are...all while expecting and getting mad at their kids for 'not being successful', when none of the conditions arise for success...that gave rise to it in the past. Say, a stable society, homogenous population, Christianity still into the infrastructure (moral order and ethics and decency/ hard work, trust, responsibility and friendship), no multi cultural immigration. But I haven't even started yet; those generations never got hit with the destructive education that we did; NOT LIKE WE DID. My God, it's like we've been raised up by decent parents on one hand only on the other to be bombarded in an endless and saturating campaign at dumbing our instincts, dumbing us down, killing our work ethic - indoctrinating us into socialist ideals, culture, attitudes and trends....while punishing hard work, independence and stigmatizing the "successful achiever". There was no promulgation of homosexuality widespread.... the endless race strifes that define every corner of our culture now.
You could as was said, live in a reasonably healthy society and walk into a reasonable job - wherein there you would meet a boss and people you could get to know, talk to and associate - without PC invading it. You could work hard and expect to stay in one place and have some stability. Now the job market is ever changing. No one values you - you could disappear in a second for 5,000 other candidates lined up at the door.
The biggest thing is that there's no morale. This society has been completely degenerated, and it's affected morale and degraded everything and everyone. There is this wide sense that there's no use doing anything anymore, there's no motivation. Without motivation, without the pillars that hold society up and drive it's members, people won't do anything. It's stagnant, that's how I feel.
What's the point of getting a high paying job? So that I can stay lonely for the rest of my life? Work hard...so that the gov can ass rape me, I'll be even more lonely, and friendless and to impress wives who will leave me or who are all trash? The culture's been degraded, that's so important.
There's just no motivation to move forward, there's very little if nothing to look forward to. Everyone knows that the society is in perpetual endless tumult. It's unstable, why are we going to build a nest or make out a nice and decorated room on a sinking Titanic ship?
That's the feeling.
I don't know what to do about this problem. There's just no motivation and a real demoralization. I don't know a solution.
Misery and happiness are only states of mind.